amigo de christo
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now that is correct my friend . I seen folks twist even the KJV and teach falsehoods from it .
Folks love to twist . this lamb just loves to read it .
Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English
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Folks love to twist . this lamb just loves to read it .
That's what I use, for public reading, personal reading, study, and quoting on the forum. I'm not King James Only, I just happen to think it's the best we have in English.
Much love!
When you use Scripture to interpret Scripture, you know your interpretation has Scriptural authority.
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Christian Soldier
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You're comments aren't helpful at all, they have just added more fuel to the fire. But they have not provided any solution to the problem.
The problem being, how does one choose a faithful translation, We have to choose from 900 different English translations, since William Tyndale translated the Bible into the English language in 1526
Most Christians have day jobs, so we can't all dedicate our time to become Bible Scholars or (Airline Mechanics), if you like.
You can't throw the baby out with the bathwater, and suggest that all modern translations are full of false doctrine an heresies.
The truth is, we actually have more accurate versions in the modern age, because many books of the NT, written during the 2nd century in Greek, were discovered in around 1850. So the modern versions of the Bible were better than those prior to the discovery of those Greek texts.
The King James Version, was good for it's time but it was replaced with better version and the language used in them is familiar to all of us in the modern age.
I personally study the ESV and NKJV, but I'm sure there are many other faithful and reliable modern translations as well. I don't know how many of those 900 modern English versions have been perverted, but I imagine it would be many.
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amigo de christo
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amigo de christo
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most do have jobs . And all do have the time to devote to far more bible reading too .
The question is do they really desire that . You would be amazed
at the time one can spend doing something if that something is what they like to do .
I dont seem to see anyone saying , MAN i just aint got the time to watch me some TV .
as they sit in front of it every single night . OH but they aint got time to read the bible . THEY dont fool me
and they darn sure aint fooling GOD either .
What we love to do is what we gonna spend time doing . that is a fact .
amigo de christo
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The truth is NO WE DONT . i have read many other versions my friend .
The problem with most is they had rather sit and make time for doing something else
other than bible reading and prayer and etc .
You know like maybe tv time or watching clips or vidoes on the computer
OR maybe POLITICS a whole heap of folks spend a super amount o time follwoing that and hoping in that stuff .
WE got way more time TO DO . the fact is most dont want to SPEND THE TIME doing that
they rather spend the time doing something else . I spent and still spend the time
in that bible , the KJV . and why the KJV , cause i did read other versions , AND THEY DO have ERRORS
and interjected THOUGHTS of men into the translations . SOME are far worse than others , that is a fact
THE KING JAMES is GOOD FOR THIS TIME . the geneva is good too , But just dont read the foot notes .
amigo de christo
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We dont have the time to read the bible says the many
as they watch joe biden or donald trump and constantly debate politics
as they watch tv at night
NO sirs and no mams i aint buying it . AND GOD dont either .
SO i leave us with these words
TIME TO PUT GOD , CHRIST FIRST AGAIN in your life . Anything that comes before GOD you have made an IDOL .
that too is a fact . politics sure can be an idol , so can even our children . so can money
or others become an idol to us .
This words are not to condemn one soul , ITS TO REMIND US , ITS TIME FOR THE FIRST LOVE the FIRST FAITH
where it was all about GOD , HIS CHRIST , learning the truth and
doing all things to honor HE who has saved us .
as they watch joe biden or donald trump and constantly debate politics
as they watch tv at night
NO sirs and no mams i aint buying it . AND GOD dont either .
SO i leave us with these words
TIME TO PUT GOD , CHRIST FIRST AGAIN in your life . Anything that comes before GOD you have made an IDOL .
that too is a fact . politics sure can be an idol , so can even our children . so can money
or others become an idol to us .
This words are not to condemn one soul , ITS TO REMIND US , ITS TIME FOR THE FIRST LOVE the FIRST FAITH
where it was all about GOD , HIS CHRIST , learning the truth and
doing all things to honor HE who has saved us .
amigo de christo
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exhort one another daily and so much the more as you see the day approaching .
SO that is what i am , by grace gonna continue to do . STIR ye up by way of remembrance .
And a huge way to do that , GET IN THE BIBLE and be REMINDED of the TRUTH .
SO that is what i am , by grace gonna continue to do . STIR ye up by way of remembrance .
And a huge way to do that , GET IN THE BIBLE and be REMINDED of the TRUTH .
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Ronald Nolette
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I have been a KJV user for over 40 of my 50 years as a follower of Jesus. It is an excellent translation. but it has errors. any time you go from one language to another, you lose things in translation.
I consider it the best bible but not a perfect translation.
I do not buy J Vernon McGees mantra of "The King James Version, all others are perversions".
Christian Soldier
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One can read the bible until he turns blue in the face, and remain clueless as to what it all means. The Bible is not a book to read, it needs to be studied and not read like some paperback novel.
To study the Bible effectively, one needs to be in a group with at least one elder to lead the study. If we sit at home in private and just read the Bible, we will all come away with different interpretations and views on what the scriptures are saying.
Christians are divided into 45,000 denominations, each has it's own unique way of interpreting scripture. Each starts out with a premise, then forces the scriptures to fit their particular doctrinal views.
The Bible is written in such a way, that it seems to allow for endless different interpretations. That's why we have so many self appointed Bible scholars, running around deceived and deceiving others with false doctrine.
At the end of the day, nobody is saved by studying the bible. God is not impressed by our knowledge of the Bible. His elect will be saved even if they never read a word of the Bible. The vast majority of those in heaven never had any access to a bible, because the the printing press was not invented during their time.
Most Christians are proud of their supposed knowledge of the bible. They use their knowledge to put other Christians down, and lift themselves above them in pride. The Devil and His Demons know the Bible better than any man, but what good is knowledge alone.
2 Timothy 3:7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Christian Soldier
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The King James Version s missing too many important scriptures and it is estimated that there are about six thousand differences. These include numerous omissions, sometimes of entire verses (e.g., Matthew 12.47, 18.11; Luke 17.36; Acts 28.29; Romans 15.24), and often even more than this (e.g., Matthew 16.2,3; Mark 9.44,46; John 5.3,4; Acts 24.6–8).
Why hold to an inferior old version when, you can take advantage of the more complete modern version.
15 Biblical Reasons for a Perfect Word of God for Today:
- God’s Word commands of us, “Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read” (Isaiah 34:16). This command is for us today and in the future. In the future, it is given to all nations in time of Revelation (See this video here). So naturally, if this command is given to us (mankind) during the “End of Days,” it makes sense that we (believers) would be able to have access to the “book of the LORD” today seeing we are ever drawing nearer to the times spoken about in Revelation.
- God’s Word says Scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35); It is: “incorruptible...the word of God...” (1 Peter 1:23).
- God’s Word tells us in 1 Thessalonians 2:13: We received the Word not as the words of men, but as the very words of God.
- God’s Word says the Scriptures are holy (1 Timothy 3:15).
- God’s Word teaches us that the word of the LORD is right (Psalms 33:4).
- God’s Word tells us that Christians are to speak the same thing (1 Corinthians 1:10). This can only be if there is one Word of God that we can all agree upon.
- God’s Word teaches that they are either perfect or pure. Just as Jesus is perfect (Luke 6:40), God’s Word is perfect. Deuteronomy 32:3-4 says,”Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. He is the Rock, his work is perfect”; The Bible is God’s Word and so naturally it would be perfect. In addition, in Proverbs 30:5, it says, “Every word of God is pure”.
- God’s Word says His words will be preserved forever (Psalms 12:6-7) (Isaiah 40:8) (1 Peter 1:23-25) (Also compare John 17:17 with Psalms 100:5 and Psalms 117:2). In fact, scrolls of Scripture were written on either vellum (flesh/animal skins) or papyri (i.e., grass). The scribes knew they had to keep making copies to preserve God’s words because the scrolls of the Scriptures would get old and decay and perish. So the flesh of the animal skins and the grass used to write Scripture would eventually pass away. Peter says, “For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever…” (1 Peter 1:24-25). So even though old copies would die out, new ones would replace them, preserving the words of the Lord forever. In fact, Jesus says, “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” (Matthew 24:35). Note: Psalms 12:7 is altered in other Bibles.
- God’s Word teaches us that God translates languages. At Pentecost, in Acts chapter 2: Certain Jewish men each spoke in their own tongue, and yet God translated their language so that they could understand each other with no problems (See: Acts 2:5-13). This is a translation done by God. We learn in the Old Testament: Joseph had spoken Egyptian, and yet these words that record this very fact are written in Hebrew (Genesis 42:23). In the New Testament, we learn: that Paul had spoken to the Jews in Hebrew and yet these words were recorded in the Greek within the Scriptures (See: Acts 21:40, and Acts 22:1-2). Again, this is a translation we trust by God unless you doubt God’s Word. In addition, at the cross: The words on a sign said, “JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.” These words were written in different languages (Hebrew, Greek, and Latin) that were translated for us (John 19:19-20). In addition, Jesus said, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46). In other words, if God indeed divinely granted us the translation of the King James Bible (as I believe He has), it would align perfectly with the consistency of other translations of God we read about in Scripture.
- God’s Word teaches that copies were preserved and not the original manuscripts (Exodus 341) (Deuteronomy 17:18). In the book of Jeremiah: We could see that after King Jehoiakim had burned the scroll of God, the Lord told Jeremiah to take another scroll and “write out” what was formerly in the previous scroll that was burned. On top of that, many “like words” were added. Meaning: Additional words were added to the former words that were in the original scroll. So it was an update of the previous scroll. God can edit His own word. But the main point here is that the Bible teaches us God preserves His words with a COPY and not by bringing the original scroll back from the ashes. God certainly has the power to bring back the old scroll into existence that was previously burned, but instead, God chose Jeremiah to make a COPY to preserve His Words. God did not make the original scroll indestructible, either (See: Jeremiah 36:27-28, Jeremiah 36:32). See also Exodus 34:1, as well. So the Modern scholar's preoccupation with trying to get back to the nonexistent originals is unbiblical. God preserved copies and not the originals.
- God’s Word teaches that copies of His Word are “inspired Scripture.” If you were to compare the existence of the Isaiah scroll in the New Testament with Luke 4:17, along with the existence of what appears to be another Isaiah scroll in Acts 8:28, Acts 8:32-33, at least one of these scrolls would have to be a copy and not the original. Each of these manuscripts of Isaiah is called Scripture. Timothy had known the Scriptures since he was a child (2 Timothy 3:15). Again, these Scriptures he had would have been copies. 2 Timothy 3:16 says, “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God. ALL Scripture is inspired, and not just some. Meaning, copies that are called Scripture are given by inspiration of God and not just the originals (See video here to learn more).
- God’s Word says His Word is Nigh (Near) unto Thee (You). Deuteronomy 30:14 says, “But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.” (cf. Romans 10:8-10). The word is very nigh unto thee.Meaning His words would not be hidden or far away from you. God’s Word (the Bible) would be near enough to be available for us to access it. The Word is not in some far away place (See: Deuteronomy 30:13). In other words, you don’t have to send somebody over the sea and dig in a cave to find another manuscript to figure out what God said.
- God’s Word warns us not to add or take away from His words (Revelation 22:18-19). I believe Revelation 22:18-19 is a warning for our day. This passage is a warning not to alter any part of the Bible because that is how the Book of Revelation is recognized. Revelation was never intended to be an entirely separate book from the rest of Scripture or the Bible. Besides, this truth of “Not Altering God’s Word” is also seen in Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, and Proverbs 30:6. In addition, certain men who have altered God’s Word (like some of the revisers) have lost their voice (See here). One recent reviser of the Bible had temporarily, for a short moment, experienced the “frog in the throat” plague when asked if men had lost their voice in altering God’s Word (See here) (Important Note: Please keep in mind that I do not believe Westcott lost his voice. I believe Mrs. Riplinger, in this instance, was taking the writing that referred to “the speech of Mr. Westcott” out of context (See here). But I do believe the other bible revisers who lost their voice are, in fact, genuine, though. Why? Well, such accounts have never been discredited, and this truth aligns well with the warning given to us in Revelation and the rest of the Bible.
- God’s Word refers to jots and tittles. Meaning, that God cares about the details in His Word. Jesus said, “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:18). Jots and tittles are marks or formations that make up the letters in Hebrew. It would sort of be like the dotting of our letter “i.” Meaning: Jesus cares not just about general truth, but He cares about the smallest details of His Word. This suggests that there must be a perfect Word for us to have from God if every little detail was important to Jesus.
- God’s Word teaches that we can have knowledge of the certainty of the words of truth. Proverbs 22:20-21 says, “Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?” Dear reader: Do you truly know whether or not you have the certainty (or assurance) of the words of truth or not?
My belief is consistent with the above. It is a belief that the church had since the mid 1600s (Which can be seen by various church statements of faith from that time onward. See here). But those who advocate for no perfect Bible in the Modern Bible Movement cannot agree with the above truths in Scripture.
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Why The Hand of God is Upon the KJB:
Many skeptics of the KJV being the inerrant Word love to ask us, “What makes the KJV so special?” The KJV is from an unbroken chain of custody. The Waldenses gave the reformers a pure Bible. The Waldenses Bible can be traced back to the apostles. Note: The Waldenses possessed the Vetus Latina (a.k.a. Latin Italic - not the corrupt Jerome Latin Vulgate). One of the last major persecutions of the Waldenses by Catholics took place around the same time that the KJV began to become even more popular. Here is a short list of reasons why the hand of God is upon the KJV:
- Two Textus Receptus translators were martyred (Tyndale, & Rogers).
- King James helped to temporarily unite two Christian groups that were in opposition to each with the KJV (Puritans and Anglicans).
- The largest assembly of the best translators in the world were gathered together. This assembly was unlike any other before them or after.
- KJB and its translators were almost destroyed by a super bomb.
- KJB was prophetically chosen in a language that is the world language of today (Note: Granted, while 1600s English is not the world language of today, it is still English and a part of Modern English we have today).
- The three great revivals were a result of the KJV (Compare that to the fruit of the Modern Bibles in this Laodician age).
- KJB is the most printed book in the world and is the standard English text among believers (Being known for hundreds of years as THE Bible).
- The KJV is a Reformation or Protestant text. England spread out to the world and helped to form Protestant Christianity in English speaking countries and beyond.
- KJB was used to help end slavery (Frederick Douglas).
- Christians were united over one text (i.e, His Word does not return void). They not only were united by one text, but they also believed that the KJV is the inerrant, and perfect words of God throughout history.
- Everyone today in English speaking countries still speaks like the King James Bible (Example: Drop in the bucket, the writing is on the wall, the apple of my eye, etcetera).
- The KJV was predicted to be obsolete and replaced by certain Modern Bibles in the 1700’s, 1800’s, and 1900s (But this did not happen). In other words, the KJV has endured the test of time and against much opposition.
Reasons Why the Hand of God is not on the Critical Text:
(Even though God can use it to still save individuals initially, etcetera).
The problem is that the Critical Text Movement and Modern Textual Criticism can lead people to doubt God’s Word is trustworthy, seeing they do not have a settled text and the ones they have now conflict with different translations and previous apparatuses. Note: God does not talk about apparatuses in the Bible, either. It is a man-made concept. In addition, in contrast to the KJV, the Critical Text Side does not really have an unbroken chain of custody in history. For hundreds of years the Critical Text was never used while the KJV and the Vetus Latina (before the KJV) was being used by the church instead.
- Revised Version employed deception (stating it was the version set for in 1611 AD when it wasn’t).
- A Unitarian (George Vance Smith) worked on the RV and wrote a book on the changed doctrines that favored Unitarianism.
- Unitarians today still go on pilgrimages to see Sinaiticus because they see that manuscript as a success towards their cause.
- 1 John 5:7 deception in Modern Bibles. They initially move the last sentence in 1 John 5:6 in the RV to take the place of the Comma in 1 John 5:7. Then they subtly reword the beginning words in 1 John 5:8 and move it to replace the Comma in 1 John 5:7. This is deception to not alert the new reader that there is a major doctrine teaching the Trinity in their Bible.
- Catholicism is tied to the Critical Text and I can show the changed doctrines that favor Catholicism in Modern Bibles.
- Liberals favor the Critical Text and not the KJV.
- Changed Doctrines that are for the worse and not for the better.
- The very verses that talk about the certainty of God’s Word or the uplifting of His Word are attacked. Proverbs 22:20-21.
- Christians have fallen away from the faith as a result of Textual Criticism. Christians like Bart Erhman, and Rick Beckman have lost their faith, and they were heavily into Modern Textual Criticism. Even many Bible college students have lost their faith when they learned of the false Science of Modern Textual Criticism.
- Vaticanus and Sinaiticus disagree with each other in thousands of places in the gospels alone. The Vaticanus is said to have corrections all over them and one scribe says, “knave, keep the old reading.”
- Westcott and Hort are the founders of the Modern Bible Movement that exists today and they were into Spiritism. Westcott communicated with the dead saints. Westcott said in one of his commentaries that a particular verse could bear the Arian meaning (Which is heresy). They both denied the infallibility of Scripture, as well.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. There are is a lot more information than this.
There are no false doctrines in the KJV. Any so-called supposed problems have been explained masterfully by educated KJV advocates. As for the corrupt doctrines in Modern Bibles, please check out my changed doctrine list in my post here.
Many in the Modern Bible Movement believe no Bible is pure.
Titus 1:15
“Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure;
but even their mind and conscience is defiled.”
Archaic and correct beats Modern and incorrect any day of the week.
The ESV and NKJV teach false doctrines.
The NKJV is a Trojan horse. They say it is based on the Textus Receptus. This is primarily true but this is not always the case.
New King James Version - Textus Receptus
Note 1: You may have to keep hitting your refresh button (2-4 times) to get the above article page to load.
Note 2: The website is from a fellow Australian named Nick Sayers. If you ever wanted to challenge your knowledge on this topic I would watch his YouTube channel (Revolution). Nick used to be an NKJV guy for a long while until he started to doing more research on the topic.
See my posts starting at post #35.
Some can say the same thing about reading the Bible because it is a big book. This is just an excuse and not really valid. If we are to follow Jesus Christ more efficiently, it is important that we have His precise words and not a Bible that has errors in it (That you or the scholar get to correct - placing you in the seat of God).
I am sorry to inform you. These are just the facts. I have been studying in-depth on this a lot longer than you have and compiled a really long list of false doctrines in Modern Bibles. I have come up with 50 plus really big ones that are serious.
You can check out my smaller changed doctrine list in my post here.
The Vaticanus and Sinaiticus are not the best manuscripts. Sinaiticus was discovered at the fake Sinai location (St. Catherines) and it is a manuscript that is worshiped by Unitarians. Vaticanus has corrections all over them and one scribe says to another on it, “knave, keep the old reading.” There are umlauts next to 1 John 5:7 letting us know that there was a variant (Meaning, the Comma was in existence of the time of Vaticanus).
I am Core-KJV and not KJV-only. This means that the KJV is more core foundational text because I believe it to be the perfect and inerrant words of God for today. But because it is written in difficult archaic 1600s English, I am not against using dictionaries or Modern Translations for comparison. The only thing is that I do not agree with explaining away the English in the KJV. I believe we should look at the Greek that underlies the KJV. It can deepen our understanding. But the goal is not to rewrite the Bible or claim it has errors in it. The goal is simply to believe it by faith and obey it.
Thank you, Wynona. That is very kind of you to say.
I am doing a couple of more practice tests before I release my first video or so.
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