One Baptism

[marks]

Hi....What is an "actual baptism"?

One that's not 'unactual'.

;)

Being baptized into Christ is our true baptism, the one baptism named in Ephesians 4 that pertains to us, the gentile church.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Blessings in Christ Jesus! Perhaps it's time to unwrap a Gift you have had since way back then.

Hi GTW27, do you say this by a word of knowledge?

How is it that you know I have the gift of tongues? Why do I not know?

OK, I just re-read, you are going back to Mark 16.

Poisons, snakes, and tongues, correct?

Much love!

 

[Hidden In Him]

Of the doctrine of baptisms [PLURAL], and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. (Hebrews 6:2)

That is what would be called a Zinger! LoL.

Good find, Enoch. Winner of the thread : )

 

[Nondenom40]

Hi ND40,

It's not water baptism that I think is the one baptism, rather, that we are immersed into Christ. Like you've pointed out, Paul was not sent to baptize but to preach the gospel.

The 11 apostles, then 12 after Matthais was chosen, they Were sent to baptize, but Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, was not sent to baptize.

Much love!

At the great commission Jesus said make disciples, not simply to baptize. Water baptism always follows the new birth. The new birth includes being given the Holy Spirit. The gospel always had preeminence. Thanks for allowing me to clarify.

 

[Marymog]

One that's not 'unactual'.

;)

Being baptized into Christ is our true baptism, the one baptism named in Ephesians 4 that pertains to us, the gentile church.

Much love!

That passage doesn't say anything about baptism.

Are you talking about baptism with water?

 

[marks]

That passage doesn't say anything about baptism.

Are you talking about baptism with water?

Hi Mary,

What I'm saying it this:

Ephesians 4:5 "One Lord, one faith, one baptism,"

is the same as . . .

Romans 6:3 "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ"

There is one baptism, and that baptism is being immersed into Jesus Christ.

Much love!

 

[marks]

That is what would be called a Zinger! LoL.

Good find, Enoch. Winner of the thread : )

Too bad there's not a cheerleader smiley!

:)

That does happen to be what this is about, we're discussing teaching on baptisms.

There is definately a baptism in water to repentance by John. There is Jesus' command to the apostles to baptize.

And there is our baptism into Jesus. So just for you . . .

"there is one baptism that is given for us the gentile new testament church."

No matter how you slice it, either there is one baptism, or this passage is misleading, if not outright erroneous.

Again, declarative statements, and all that.

Much love!

 

[Not me]

If there is more than one baptism, it would make the scripture that says there is only one baptism wrong and incorrect.

The only way for all the scriptures concerning baptism to be correct would be for them all to be talking about the same baptism. Only using different outward signs, manifestations and methods. Even after Jesus was water baptized He said He had a baptism to under go. For this was the true baptism He came to under go. His death and resurrection. For Jesus came to fulfill all outward righteousness henceforth was He baptized in water as an outward representation of the baptism He was still to under go. We as believers get baptized in water as an outward representation of the spiritual truth of us being joined to the death of Christ and than raised from the dead by faith...being baptized in the Spirit is the final manifestation and completion of the baptism that Christ underwent for us that we might receive the fullness of Him.

Still all the same baptism, just different manifestations of the one baptism, from the one God, by the one faith, that was once and for all delivered to the saints.

“For there is one God, one faith, one baptism.“

In Christ, Not me

 

[GTW27]

Hi GTW27, do you say this by a word of knowledge?

How is it that you know I have the gift of tongues? Why do I not know?

OK, I just re-read, you are going back to Mark 16.

Poisons, snakes, and tongues, correct?

Much love!

Blessings in Christ Jesus! I did not know I had this Gift before going and asking for it. Perhaps it might just might be, a Word of Knowledge, for you and for others. I just give, what I have been given. "And you shall drink any deadly thing, and it will not harm you" Why does false doctrine not harm those that are truly His. It is because their foundation is built upon The Rock, which changes not. Perhaps you and others might consider the steps given. I could only imagine how many things would change in this world, if many came together, praying in The Spirit. Perhaps this present tide of darkness would be pushed back and scattered.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Too bad there's not a cheerleader smiley!

:)

I go beyond smilies (out of necessity usually). But for this one here...
Here's Enoch, besting you with his Hebrews 6:2 Zinger

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On the serious side, I do think we need to lobby Forrest for a new smilie package upgrade.
Maybe we can ask for one for Christmas or something. We are operating in the 20th century in the smilie department.

 

[Philip James]

The 'one baptism' that the Church has always taught and practiced is clearly set out in all it's glory by St. Cyril of Jerusalem here: CHURCH FATHERS: Catechetical Lecture 3 (Cyril of Jerusalem)

Peace be with you!

 

[marks]

"And you shall drink any deadly thing, and it will not harm you" Why does false doctrine not harm those that are truly His.

Are you connecting these as the same thing? We're talking real deadly liquids, right? Like drinking Clorox with no harm done. And snakebites, again, no harm just as with Paul and the firewood viper?

I just want to clarify this is your view.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Here's an interesting thing . . .

Acts 19:3-6
3) And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4) Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5) When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6) And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

These were baptized in water in John's baptism of repentance, intended to lead them to Jesus.

Now, they are baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus.

There was one baptism, then there was another. Two baptisms, but they are not meant either as the same thing, or to be concurrent. First the one, then the other, and they are different.

And then . . . not with the baptism, but with the laying on of hands, afterward, the Holy Spirit "came upon them", and they spake in tongues and prophesied.

Much love!

 

[Marymog]

Hi Mary,

What I'm saying it this:

Ephesians 4:5 "One Lord, one faith, one baptism,"

is the same as . . .

Romans 6:3 "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ"

There is one baptism, and that baptism is being immersed into Jesus Christ.

Much love!

Thank you.

I feel I am being pretty clear. Maybe I am not. I apologize if I am not.

Scripture has MANY references to baptism that elude to baptism by water. The two you referenced do not speak directly about baptism by water. Do you believe the Ephesians and Romans passages that you referenced refer to water baptism?

Mary

 

[marks]

Do you believe the Ephesians and Romans passages that you referenced refer to water baptism?

Are you asking if I think being immersed into Jesus and being immersed into water are the same thing?

I'm pointing out that the Bible teaches us that there is One Baptism. Some say that's not true, that there are more. Do you agree there is only One Baptism?

Much love!

 

[marks]

The 'one baptism' that the Church has always taught and practiced is clearly set out in all it's glory by St. Cyril of Jerusalem here: CHURCH FATHERS: Catechetical Lecture 3 (Cyril of Jerusalem)

Peace be with you!

This teaches two baptisms. One being into water, the other being into Jesus. With the notion that the one brings the other.

Is that not so?

Much love!

 

[Marymog]

Are you asking if I think being immersed into Jesus and being immersed into water are the same thing?

No. Here is what I asked: Do you believe the Ephesians and Romans passages that you referenced refer to water baptism?

 

[Marymog]

Do you agree there is only One Baptism?

Much love!

That is a good question. Now that I think about it I guess we would have to agree on the definition of the word "Baptism" before I could properly answer you.

Maybe you and I have a different definition?

The way I am using the word in our discussion: Baptism is the sacrament of regeneration by water in the word. Water baptism is the sacrament by which we are born again of water and the Holy Ghost.

So I guess what I am saying is that one wouldn't receive a water baptism until they have converted by the teaching. Teaching comes first and then water baptism. You can't have one without the other.

Does that makes sense?

Mary

 

[marks]

That is a good question. Now that I think about it I guess we would have to agree on the definition of the word "Baptism" before I could properly answer you.

Maybe you and I have a different definition?

The way I am using the word in our discussion: Baptism is the sacrament of regeneration by water in the word. Water baptism is the sacrament by which we are born again of water and the Holy Ghost.

So I guess what I am saying is that one wouldn't receive a water baptism until they have converted by the teaching. Teaching comes first and then water baptism. You can't have one without the other.

Does that makes sense?

Mary

Good post! Needful!

Baptism is immersion. Now, in saying that, I'm not trying to evoke a discussion on "immersion vs. sprinkling", for instance. Only to say that "baptism" is not a "technical term", in that it always has a certain and specific meaning.

The Bible uses "baptism" of people, and "pots and cups". It uses it in literal fashion, baptised in water, spiritual fashion, baptized in the Holy Spirit, baptized into Christ. Metaphorically, a baptism of fire, Jesus' baptism of suffering. The people were baptized into Moses.

So, Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, writes to the Gentile church, there is One Baptism. Of all these baptisms, which would you suppose God meant?

My answer is that God meant what Paul has also written to another Gentile church, that we are baptized into Jesus Christ.

Some respond that there are actually more baptisms. But I don't thing Scripture contradicts itself.

Consider . . . John's baptism in water unto repentence was there for a time and purpose, then was finished.

What is our baptism?

Much love!

 

[marks]

No. Here is what I asked: Do you believe the Ephesians and Romans passages that you referenced refer to water baptism?

No. I believe the Romans passage teaches baptism into Jesus Christ, and that this then must be the one baptism taught in Ephesians.

Much love!