Once Saved Always Saved

[kcnalp]

This remark shows that you really do not understand God's plan of salvation and Christ's finished work of redemption. The eternal security of the believer (wrongly termed OSAS) is a fundamental Gospel truth.

Great! I'm a Bible believer. If you're right I can't be lost!

 

[kcnalp]

This remark shows that you really do not understand God's plan of salvation and Christ's finished work of redemption. The eternal security of the believer (wrongly termed OSAS) is a fundamental Gospel truth.

What don't I understand? I believe in Jesus of the Bible, the Savior.

 

[BarneyFife]

I can see we're getting really close to solving this dispute.

Btw, @Enoch111, how is eternal security wrongly-termed OSAS?

And what exactly designates it as "fundamental Gospel truth?"
(besides the obvious necessity to counter-balance eternal torment)

 

[Ferris Bueller]

This remark shows that you really do not understand God's plan of salvation and Christ's finished work of redemption. The eternal security of the believer (wrongly termed OSAS) is a fundamental Gospel truth.

Anti-osas also says that the one who believes in Christ is eternally secure.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I can see we're getting really close to solving this dispute.

Lol. That's why we should just focus on what isn't in dispute in scripture—the exhortation to keep believing in Christ. It's a waste of time to dwell on the osas argument. It's meaningless to what actually matters.

 

[justbyfaith]

It was phony talking... but it was real in the sense it was devils coming out, remember it contradicted scripture and you blamed the Holy spirit for your error, It was probably your meds, But it wasn't The holly Spirit that much is fact

Unless and until you repent of attributing what is of the Holy Spirit to devils, you will not even receive the equivalent of forgiveness.

I could forgive you, I suppose; since I am told in holy scripture that if I do not forgive, the Father will not forgive me.

But your sin isn't even against me. It is against the Holy Spirit.

Also, what did I say that contradicted scripture; and what scripture did I contradict?

You never were able to tell me the nature of my "error".

If I really was in error, then it is your duty to attempt to turn me as a sinner from the error of my way (James 5:19-20).

Therefore I await your correction as that is the only thing you can do if I am indeed in error and you have the love of the Lord in your heart.

Telling me that my Spirit-led tongues are demons coming out of me does not qualify as biblical correction in the Spirit.

Your whole gospel is based on I

No. It is based on what Christ does in the heart of the believer. He gets the glory for the sanctification that He works in the heart of every true believer in Christ.

you know nothing about English if you think it’s a pure language, and you just proved there is no need to continue with you. If you think this you will believe amything

What is so bad about the English language in your opinion?

I was an English major in High School; so I know more about English than you might think.

Wrong

John 6 is not mere belief.

second, how can I have life eternal if I could lose it, that makes it conditional life not eternal

If someone has a nominal, lukewarm, or shallow faith (mere mental assent to the tenets of the gospel), they do not have eternal / everlasting life.

They are delivered from sin (Matthew 1:21, Titus 2:14), and from the kingdom of hell, for a season.

But they can fall away (Luke 8:13) or be cut off (Romans 11:20-22).

So you're saying John wasn't a Christian?

1 John 1:8-9 (NKJV)
8 If WE say that WE have no sin, WE deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in US. 9 If WE confess OUR sins, He is faithful and just to forgive US OUR sins and to cleanse US from all unrighteousness.

Notice that 1 John 1:8 does not say, "If we say that we do no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."

This remark shows that you really do not understand God's plan of salvation and Christ's finished work of redemption. The eternal security of the believer (wrongly termed OSAS) is a fundamental Gospel truth.

Right....eternal security as it stands in holy scripture is termed POTS rather than OSAS (see 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17).

OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) dictates that if someone goes forward at a Crusade or church service, they can live like hell afterwards and they are saved.

Whereas POTS dictates that those who are born again are saints...sanctified by the blood of Jesus (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleansed from all sin by that same blood (1 John 1:7)...and that they will continue to practically live their lives as sanctified ones to the end of their days.

 

[kcnalp]

Anyone who says he/she doesn't sin is lying! And that's a sin!

 

[justbyfaith]

Anyone who says he/she doesn't sin is lying! And that's a sin!

I can honestly say that I don't sin in those moments when I am abiding in Christ (1 John 3:6).

And it should also be clear that the Bible teaches that we can abide in Christ for ever more (1 John 2:17).

 

[HisLife]

Unless and until you repent of attributing what is of the Holy Spirit to devils, you will not even receive the equivalent of forgiveness.

I could forgive you, I suppose; since I am told in holy scripture that if I do not forgive, the Father will not forgive me.

But your sin isn't even against me. It is against the Holy Spirit.

Also, what did I say that contradicted scripture; and what scripture did I contradict?

You never were able to tell me the nature of my "error".

If I really was in error, then it is your duty to attempt to turn me as a sinner from the error of my way (James 5:19-20).

Therefore I await your correction as that is the only thing you can do if I am indeed in error and you have the love of the Lord in your heart.

Telling me that my Spirit-led tongues are demons coming out of me does not qualify as biblical correction in the Spirit.

Ok shall we go over some things again shall we...First of I couldn't care less if you forgive me or not let's get that straight seen you bring it up a lot, Let's start with your silly accusation my Sin is with the Holy spirit? It was your goof ball mouth and your corrupt heart It wasn't the Holy spirit and Ill tell you why all Examples Of tounges are spoken in a language that is understood, you asked for an interpreter and there was none... unless you take mine, As not to make a fool of yourself to other people watching, you should have kept quite. Then you blame your error on the holy spirit...big mistake, The spirit testifies of Jesus, Your Devils words were mocking to all you should really be ashamed but your conscience seams gone so that ain't happening,
Most of what comes out your mouth is an error that's the thing, You quote verses a lot but often very out of context, I only really care about your main Error of trying to teach against the Gospel, You don't even believe Jesus died for your sins so your really just pretending that's why you thinking your mr holy spirit is really a sad delusion only you can't seem to see I think everyone else can. The Correction I would offer Is you have to believe the Gospel and not teach against it or you are cursed simple as that but if you have a specific point im happy to talk about it as well

 

[justbyfaith]

you asked for an interpreter and there was none...

You didn't allow for two seconds to go by before you condemned my tongue for that an interpreter did not appear in the two seconds of time that you gave for that to occur.

When you condemned my tongue for that an interpreter did not immediately appear, you must recall that I did and was obedient to do what it says in 1 Corinthians 14:13...

But you were so intent on condemning me that you did not accept the interpretation that was offered.

You are still intent on condemning me.

Yes your sin is with the Holy Spirit and my heart is not corrupt (Ezekiel 36:25-27, Luke 8:15) since I have been born again of the Holy Spirit.

Then you blame your error on the holy spirit

What error?

Most of what comes out your mouth is an error that's the thing,

Says the person who attributed what is of the Holy Spirit to demons.

I don't think that you can be trusted to be the arbiter of what is truth and error.

But I think that the exhortation of Galatians 5:15 is in order here.

 

[HisLife]

Says the person who attributed what is of the Holy Spirit to demons.

I don't think that you can be trusted to be the arbiter of what is truth and error.

But I think that the exhortation of Galatians 5:15 is in order here.

You have Demons you admit that you battle them they deceive you these are all things you have said... What you say is not the Holy Spirit you don't speak for him, Gods word Does, I don't know how to get you back to reality, You Have Gospel Denying Devils All you can do is try and condemn It's your nature....But its a delusion, If you don't like what I have to say take it or leave it your choice

 

[justbyfaith]

You have Demons you admit that you battle them they deceive you these are all things you have said...

I have never said that I am deceived by demons.

If you don't battle with demons then you are probably not born again.

I forget who it was that said it, but one of the great Christian authors of the past once said, "If you don't believe that the devil is real, just try opposing him for a while!"

You Have Gospel Denying Devils All you can do is try and condemn It's your nature...

It really is not in my nature to condemn other people...I am in fact seeking your redemption in saying the things that I have said.

 

[HisLife]

It really is not in my nature to condemn other people...I am in fact seeking your redemption in saying the things that I have said.

Your phony imposter with no authority lol but you pretend a good game...in your own head, As long as you are deceived in your false humility, You are under the deception of the Devil

 

[HisLife]

I have never said that I am deceived by demons.

If you don't battle with demons then you are probably not born again.

I forget who it was that said it, but one of the great Christian authors of the past once said, "If you don't believe that the devil is real, just try opposing him for a while!"

You battle them in Warfare you don't live with them in your body and your head talking lies to you, But yes you did actually, Resist the Devil and he will flee scriptures say, You don't live with them big difference

 

[justbyfaith]

Your phony imposter with no authority lol but you pretend a good game...in your own head, As long as you are deceived in your false humility, You are under the deception of the Devil

I guess that now you have hardened your heart to my attempts to see you redeemed; as long as you do this you are beyond redemption.

You really need to consider 2 Samuel 14:14 and Acts of the Apostles 3:19...

In sharing these verses I am contending for you to come out of "the deception you are in".

 

[justbyfaith]

You battle them in Warfare you don't live with them in your body and your head talking lies to you, But yes you did actually, Resist the Devil and he will flee scriptures say, You don't live with them big difference

There will be times when, if you listen for the voice of the Lord, the devil will interfere with his own words and you will need discernment to determine the difference between his voice and the voice of the Lord.

You are going to have to use the quote feature and show where I said that; because I don't think that I did.

 

[HisLife]

In sharing these verses I am contending for you to come out of "the deception you are in".

Answer Honestly What Deception? not Believing you hahahaha, Your under such a deception you think the tv just busted your ministry by showing it and now your not invisible to satan and he knows your plans, I dunno I couldn't follow that properly but we are talking about deceptions so let's lay it out there aye lets be real honest with each other

 

[justbyfaith]

Your under such a deception you think the tv just busted your ministry by showing it and now your not invisible to satan and he knows your plans,

Where did I ever say that?

You are way out in left field.

 

[HisLife]

Where did I ever say that?

You are way out in left field.

Lol well I admitted I had trouble Following what I was reading on that one but seen you asked you said

I just finished watching a program on television wherein the devil attacked the last name of my pen name Victor Jedidiah as a cult leader who identified himself as "the prophet Jedidiah."

Apparently I am no longer invisible to the devil's radar and am considered to be a threat to his kingdom.

I would ask the saints to please pray for me that I may not be susceptible to this attack of the enemy on my ministry but that it will be seen for what it is by those who become aware of the program and watch it; as a vain attack of the enemy on my ministry towards those who are easily swayed by what they watch on television.

 

[Taken]

OSAS is total nonsense.

Don't be angry, no one is forcing you to join us which are saved.

1 Cor 1:18
... us which are saved it is the power of God.