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[Taken]

WOW, your conception if God is foreign to scripture my friend!

To general...
How so? Specifically quote something I said.

 

[justbyfaith]

Please show me where they sad this

If you haven't been paying attention don't worry about it.

They are bound to say all those things all over again; because it is what they believe in their hearts.

Just keep paying attention.

 

[justbyfaith]

I saw that post; However, your use of the word “exaggeration” seems to imply that no born again really commits no sin.

I brought it home, didn't I, when I quoted Proverbs 4:18?

 

[justbyfaith]

Faith is based on patience, and humility

Its not persevering.

See Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14.

 

[Ezra]

I don't Think A Christian Can Sin So bad that God rejects the Blood that paid for them

THERE ARE MANY THINGS dont know when it comes to man and salvation. i fully understand the doctrine of eternal security there are parts i agree with parts i do not. i heard it said once its not the things i dont know that concerns me. but the things i do know. when a person wants to live and continue in the sinfully lifestyle .there raises a red flag of warning paul covered this is romans 6
1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? the best i can do is preach teach a know so salvation. in fact this very subject has split churches see the Bible does not say you can or you can not in them exact words lose salvation. i have been in other forums they try to pin me down if i do or i dont.
i look at this way when driving a wreck is possible but i dont focus on the wreck. i focus on driving in a safe manner .sometimes i drop my guard look of the side get to close to the edge. i correct and get back on the path

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I see you have taken a double dose of your sarcasm pills this morning... LOL

Those “sarcasm pills” are the antidote for the “ Stupid Pills” that Some In here are close to overdosing on......lol....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Jesus, when talking to Nicodemus.... is making the simple and obvious distinction between being born, and being born again.
You can't understand this simple distinction, because your cult has trained you to be spiritually blind.
See, this explains why you worship mary, and consider a religious man to be "father", when the NT says to "call no one on earth father".
And this blindness that your cult has trained you to be, explains why you believe the lie that Mary flew to heaven, and is a "perpetual virgin".
Your cult has so trained you to accept lies in place of truth, that truth to you, seems like a lie.
That's what you've become, einstein.

You left out the “grand- daddy” of them all—- the make- Believe Land Of Purgatory! It not only “ spits on the Blood of Jesus” .....it vomits on it....
I invite one and all to do a little research on it....it will sicken you and break your heart at the same time.....it is so patently Absurd, even Satan( the one that concocted the blasphemous doctrine) rolls his eyes as he can’t “believe” that Fools actually “ bought it”....... the belief in that garbage has sent countless Souls to Hell....Satan loves it!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I've not used the phrase OSAS, so, im not sure of what you are trying to prove.

What i teach is that if you are born on earth, of your mother, then your "believing" or not, can't change being born.
So, its a foolish fool, a religious fool, who will not also believe that being born again, this BIRTH, can't be changed or removed, or undone, by behavior or thinking.

You called somebody a “Fool!” You are going to Hell! That word is a magical , demonic word and the mere utterance of it is the “ unpardonable sin” according to one Fool in here.....it’s like we’re dealing with five year olds in here sometimes.....5 year olds with Stiff Necks.....

 

[Ferris Bueller]

John was a Converted men.
John (like the other Disciples) spoke to Non-Believers, Believers, Converted men.

Same as any Pastor, in a Church.
No one stands at the door, or at the edge of a crowd and takes a poll of who believes, who doesn't, who is converted.

Non believers are encouraged to LISTEN, and Keep listening.
Believers are encouraged to remember what they heard, and continue to Listen, SO THEY DO NOT FALL FROM FAITH and LOSE their SALVATION.
The Converted are reminded THEY ARE Save, ARE Qickened, and KEPT by the POWER of God.

When you read SCRIPTURE, you are gaining KNOWLEDGE. It is God Himself that GIVES A CONVERTED man the Understanding of "HIS" Knowledge.

I AM, (God) and I (me) am NOT the "SAME" as every man in Scripture.
I am not a Hebrew, Jew, Israel, Under the Law.
I am not a Jew or Israel, who accepted Christ Jesus, and was released from the consequences of the Law.
I am not a Jew or Israel, who rejected Christ Jesus...rejected their own Law...or continued to follow their Laws.
I am a gentile, who was Offered Gods Mercy of Forgiveness and Gods Grace to become "MADE" WHOLE.
I accepted Gods OFFERING through Christ.
And WHAT IS ACCEPTED ... was MY ACCEPTING "ONE TIME" (ONCE).
And What the Lord GOD OFFERED, He gave to ME "ONCE".
And What the Lord God GAVE TO ME...WAS "HIMSELF" and "HIS GIFTS".
And What the Lord God GAVE TO ME...WAS WITH HIS PROMISE...was FOR EVER.

Now IF YOU are a non-believer...I would encourage you to hear, listen, learn

IF YOU are a believer....I would encourage you to CONTINUE hearing, listening, learning,
BE Cautious TO NOT be TRICKED into FOLLOWING Preachers whose WORD CAN NOT BE VERIFIED IN SCRIPTURE WITH GODS WORD....
CONTINUE IN the Lord GODS WORD...
until YOU ARE "ASSURED" in your natural spirit in your heart....YOU are prepared:
TO Call on the Lord and MAKE (with your word) a Confession of Heartful BELIEF, IN Jesus is the Christ, and the Heavingly God who Sent Him.
IF YOU DO THAT ^ ....
TRUST HE IS FAITHFUL and WILL KEEP YOU 'UNTO" HIM FOR EVER.

You argue AS IF, you are a "believer", but not Converted.
IF you be ARE a "BELIEVER", but not Converted...
Then ... absolutely, all the warnings, and cautions about Losing your Salvation "applies" TO YOU...take heed.

IF one DOES NOT BECOME CONVERTED and TAKE his OFFERED SALVATION...
Absolutely, at any moment, he could physically die....and ALL HOPE of receiving his Salvation and Quickening is LOST.

No need for you to attempt to teach me BELIEVING MEN can LOSE their Salvation, I have already covered "that fact", extensively.

And also have covered extensively and "precisely'....
Converted men WHO HAVE RECEIVED their Salvation and Quickening .... SHALL NEVER LOSE their SALVATION or QUICKENING.

If you are confused about the difference between BELIEVING and CONFESSED BELIEF...you will have to work that out.
I can not UNDERSTAND 'FOR YOU".

If you are confused about the difference between BEING OFFERED something expressly FOR YOU and ACCEPTING the OFFER...you will have to work that out.
I can not UNDERSTAND "FOR YOU".

I am Converted....I am KEPT forever, BY the POWER of my Lord God.

YOU WILL NEVER Convince me, MY Lord God, is UNFAITHIFUL, breaks His PROMISES, would take His Gifts from me, or that He would EVER leave me.

Do not be troubled by what I HAVE.
Do not dictate I must be cautioned about losing what I have RECEIVED.
My Lord God, shall NEVER forsake what He has given men.
My Lord God, shall NEVER Leave me.

Heb 13:
[5] Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

You asked me where the Bible tells converted believers to keep on believing. I'm just answering your question. This is one place. You're free to take it or leave it.....

19They went out from us, but they did not belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us.20You, however, have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.c 21I have not written to you because you lack knowledge of the truth, but because you have it, and because no lie comes from the truth. 22Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son. 23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father, but whoever confesses the Son has the Father as well.24As for you, let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life.26I have written these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.28And now, little children, remain in Christ,d so that when He appears, we may be confident and unashamed before Him at His coming. 1 John 2:19-28​

 

[BloodBought 1953]

We're not talking about being unfaithful. We're talking about the verse before that.....disowning Him....

If we disown him, he will also disown us 2 Timothy 2:12
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Don't you know the difference between being unfaithful to Jesus and denying him outright?

Those that “ disown him” are flat - out deniers of the Gospel.....the “ Dogs ” Of The World....Pure unbelievers and mockers Of the Gospel .....they Want Nothing to do with Jesus, and Jesus will leave them to their well- earned Damnation....
They differ from Believers that simply got “ off- Track”, and fell into Error.....

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Osas does Not Teach one must endure to the End in anyform

before you start mocking a faith you should try to understand what they teach,

I'm not mocking it. I'm telling you what osas teaches. It says if you stop believing you were never really saved to begin with. I thought everyone knew this.

Perseverance of the saints is a Christian teaching that asserts that once a person is truly "born of God" or "regenerated" by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, they will continue doing good works and believing in God until the end of their life.

Perseverance of the saints - Wikipedia​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Those that “ disown him” are flat - out deniers of the Gospel.....the “ Dogs ” Of The World....Pure unbelievers and mockers Of the Gospel .....they Want Nothing to do with Jesus, and Jesus will leave them to their well- earned Damnation....
They differ from Believers that simply got “ off- Track”, and fell into Error.....

That's what I'm trying to tell you! The person who falls away into a willful, unrepentant, outright rejection of Christ will not be saved when Jesus comes back. There is no grace available to cover that sin. And since that sin is not covered for that person any other sin he commits while in that condition of rejecting Christ will be held to his account.

 

[justbyfaith]

Certain people want to cast off the fear of the Lord, and will even with impunity commit sins that Jesus said will put you in danger of hell fire; because someone somewhere along the line brought into the body of Christ the damnable heresy (see 2 Peter 2:1-3) that fear is the opposite of faith.

That is not the case. Consider.

Heb 11:7, By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Here, faith and the fear of the Lord co-existed in the heart of Noah.

I would contend that if a person has faith they will have the fear of the Lord and will refrain from committing sins that they know aren't pleasing to the Lord; understanding that the Lord reserves the right to condemn to hell anyone He chooses.

He has certainly given enough scripture to show forth that certain behaviours are worthy of damnation; regardless of whether or not you think you are a recipient of grace because you have jumped through certain hoops.

For example,

Eph 5:3, But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4, Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5, For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6, Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7, Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

Col 3:5, Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Col 3:6, For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
Col 3:7, In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

But, of course, these are "scripture walls" that no unregenerated soul will ever read.

Therefore, let these scriptures be an encouragement / exhortation for the regenerated soul.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So I asked you to show me what they said and you quote John?

If you click through all the links of this particular part of our conversation you'll see you asked me where John said to keep believing.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Wasn't your offer that you'd give $1000.00 to anyone who could show in the Bible that we repent from evil?

If anybody can show me in the KJV where it says “ Repent Of your Sins” in order to be Saved, they will get the money......the Bible says “ repent” many times....it just does NOT say , in regard to getting Salvation——” Repent Of your sins” to get Saved....it does not even HINT at that....it’s Faith in Jesus that Saves.....nothing else.....from beginning to end....

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Does that...cause them to lose their Salvation, Quickening?

NO....but it may cause them to lose some Rewards.

John is talking to children of God who have the anointing of the Holy Spirit. That's a saved person. And he tells them that if they let the word remain in them they will remain in the Son and the Father and the promise of eternal life (not rewards).

As for you, let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life. 1 John 2:24-25​

This makes it so osas can't say that vs. 19 just before this means what it means. But that doesn't matter. What we can take away from this with complete confidence is John's admonition to let the word of God remain in us. That's what is important. That is what matters. Solving the osas mystery is not important. Let's do what the Bible plainly tells us to do. That's what counts.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If anybody can show me in the KJV where it says “ Repent Of your Sins” in order to be Saved, they will get the money......the Bible says “ repent” many times....it just does NOT say , in regard to getting Salvation——” Repent Of your sins” to get Saved....it does not even HINT at that....it’s Faith in Jesus that Saves.....nothing else.....from beginning to end....

Nobody is claiming that the Bible says to repent to earn salvation. So you're asking us to show you something in the Bible that no one is claiming is there.

Will you pay me $1000.00 if I can show you in the Bible that repentance also means turning away from sin? I'm serious. I'll give half of it to this forum and I'll keep the rest for my greedy little self, lol. I need to buy me a tread mill. I'm getting a little thick around the middle in my old age.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sure . What have you got?

It was answered back in post #1411.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No the Scriptures you referenced do not say...
Well uh, men of the chruch, make up things.

Correct.
The Scriptures tell us that Christ's CHURCH is His mouthpiece on earth:

Matt 16:19
I will give YOU the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Matt. 18:15-18
Amen, I say to you, WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven, and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

John 16:13-15
“But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.

John 20:21-23
Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent ME, so I send YOU.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU FORGIVE are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU RETAIN are retained.”


Now, THAT'S authority . . .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ok... Well thanks for that. So do you believe that statement isn't also true when it comes to maintaining the faith, or is that not important?

That verse has nothing to do with any but the apostles.

when one gets saved- they don't add something to them. They become a brand new creature! god reckoins our old natural man dead and gone forever!

1. We have once for all been removed from the kingdom of darkness and tranlsated to the Kingdom of Jesus.
2. We are seated in heavenly places now
3. Nothing can separate us from the love of God in christ
4. We have been perfected forever
5. We are sanctified
6. We are justified
7. we are already glorified
8. All our sins have already been paid for! Even the ones we have yet to commit.
9 We are the children of god
10. we are born from above
11. We are kept by the power of God
12. Our salvation is reserved in heaven for us!
13. We have been given eternal life- not a conditional maybe eternal life
14. We shall never perish
15. We are the elect from before the creation of the world.
16. We are predestined
17. We are foreknown.

Salvation is not a little thing- it is a huge thing! I could go on to show that teh bible says once we are saved- we are saved forever! It is of God and not us making a certain "gradse" of belief or good works!