Once Saved Always Saved

[Ferris Bueller]

The Temple of the Holy Spirit is God living in the Born again.
This is not a process, its an event that lasts for as long as God lives.
Being born again is proof a person has become the "temple of God".
To be the Temple of God, is to be "in Christ".

Born again people are believers, not unbelievers.

 

[Wrangler]

Define REALLY saved.

Those who embrace OSAS don't define it. I was using the illogical ex post facto terminology of those I doctrinally differ.

I for one had a hard time understanding salvation when I was a new Christian. Every Sunday I would go up and get saved AGAIN because I had sinned. One Sunday I went home in utter despair about my Christian walk.
When I walked in my home I just fell to my knees and cried out to God saying "I give up...this Christianity thing is too hard...no matter how hard I try I always seem to mess up.".......
The rest of the story is in my testimony.

I don't know what your testimony is but I think there is a difference between accepting Jesus as your Savior and the ongoing need to repent, ask for strength, pray, etc, in the process of sanctification.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Please quote the LAW.

In the law of Moses we learn from this passage that sex outside of marriage is a sin. You have to marry and be married to the woman you have sex with.......

28If a man encounters a virgin who is not pledged in marriage, and he seizes her and lies with her, and they are discovered, 29then the man who lay with her must pay the young woman’s father fifty shekels of silver,e and she must become his wife because he has violated her. He must not divorce her as long as he lives. Deuteronomy 22:28-29
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[justbyfaith]

And, as I have repeatedly shown - you'd be WRONG about that.

There is NO single English translation of the original lanuages that is completely accusrate - not ONE.
Transliterations are sometimes used when there is no identical translation.

If you knew the FIRST thing about languages - you would understand this.

if you knew even one thing about the Omnipotence, sovereignty, and love of God, you would realize that He is not going to allow his unadulterated message to be lost to the church, simply because the majority of the church today speaks ands reads English.

And He is also not going to only give His unadulterated message to educated Greek and Hebrew scholars.

The educated scribes and Pharisees rejected Jesus; while the common people heard Him gladly.

...you need to google “ Andrew Farley Heb 6 and 10

Andrew Farley is a false teacher whom @Blood Bought 1953 has heaped to himself to tell him what his itching ears want to hear. I wouldn't recommend listening to him unless you want to be deceived.

Even in Galatians 5:19-21, it becomes clear that if anyone walks according to the flesh, they will not inherit the kingdom of God.

The Kingdom of God is "within you"< if you are born again.
You don't inherit it, later.

You are unbelievably theologically lost.

In Galatians 5:19-21 it says clearly that you won't inherit the kingdom of God if you walk according to the flesh.

Think about it.

If I do not have the Holy Spirit (am not born again), then I walk according to the flesh by default. So, if I walk according to the flesh, I will not inherit the kingdom. How then do I inherit the kingdom when I become born again? because as an unregenerated person, I have been walking according to the flesh.

"everlasting life" is not a time period that never ends,

That is ridiculous.

Are you trying to say that those who have everlasting life, they do not live for ever?

You are denying the basic promise of holy scripture (Titus 1:2).

In reference to 1 John 3....
First start with 1 John 1:8-10
1Jn 1 (NKJV)
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⁸ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
⁹ If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
¹⁰ If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
Cross reference to verse 9
Rom 3 (NKJV)
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⁹ What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
¹⁰ As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one;
¹¹ There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.
¹² They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one."

So in 1 John 1 the author says there is none righteous...all have sinned. If we say we are without sin we make God a liar....

Then in chapter 3 the author seems to contradict himself....but did he?

In 1 John 1:8, John teaches us that we all have the element of sin dwelling within us; and in 1 John 1:10 he teaches us that we have all practically sinned in the past.

In 1 John 3:5-9, he teaches us that, as born again believers, we will not practically sin in the present or the future.

Is there a contradiction?

The element of sin dwelling in the sanctified believer has been rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over his behaviour (Romans 6:14).

Thus, a person can have sin indwelling him and yet not practically commit sins in the present or the future.

Consider.

(New Living Translation):
Rom 8:12, Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, you have no obligation to do what your sinful nature urges you to do.
Rom 8:13, For if you live by its dictates, you will die. But if through the power of the Spirit you put to death the deeds of your sinful nature, you will live.

As for Romans 3:9-12, it should be clear that Romans 3:10-18 is what the law says about those who are under it (Romans 3:19); and therefore if anyone is not under the law, they are exempt from the statements that are made about humanity in that passage. And clearly, believers in Christ are not under the law (Romans 6:14).

And also, Romans 3:10-18 speaks of Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin. However, there is a third group mentioned later in holy scripture (1 Corinthians 10:32)...the church of God.

 

[justbyfaith]

You are unbelievably theologically lost.

You have three fingers pointing back at you (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

 

[Wrangler]

The Kingdom of God is "within you"< if you are born again.
You don't inherit it, later.

You are unbelievably theologically lost.

I agree. justbyfaith is an enthusiast but is unbelievably theologically lost. I will pray for him.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Everlasting is eternal.
I am told in John 3. Once I believe I recieve eternal life
I am told in John 4 all I need to do is ask and he will give rivers of living water flowing to eternal life
I am told in John 6. Eat the food which endures forever, whoever eats will never hunger, never thirst never die, live forever and has (present tense) life eternal

I am told in 1 John I have eternal life, and I can know I have it, because he gave it to me, and because I know it I have the power to continue to believe, because my hope is in him, not myself
you want conditional life feel free, keep working to earn life. However I must warn you, you will fail

Once again, I said "technically", eternity only applies to God.
Everlasating is not sternal becaused it has a starting point - God doesn't.

As for the rest - EVERY verse that speaks of our everlasting/eternal life has conditions. "IF" we trust Him, "IF" we obey Him, "IF" we walk in the Spirit, etc.
To deny this is to continue wo wallow in ignonrnce . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I'm sorry, I don't find this to be intelligent converation. Just someone throwing out insults as if that were OK.

I'll leave you to it.

Ahhhh, so you finanlly read the evidence and you can't respond.
Got it . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Wow! Shocking lack of humility.

What's "schocking" is that you ALL seem to have the very SAME argument against the evidence regarding Epignosis.

Unfortunbately, "That's not true" just isn't a valid argument . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You teach that water baptism causes the new birth.
So, you are not familiar with the "Gospel".
"born again BY water".....remember?
Try not to forget your false bible that taught you that lie.

We are not in a debate, as you would have to be skilled in the word to try that situation.
What we are doing is defining your "cult of the virgin" as a "doctrine of devils".
It's already happened.

Uh-huh.

And ALL of this has nothing to do with the conversation.
But I understand why you feel the need to dodge the topic . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You have everlasting life, if you have the ONE who IS Everlasting Life, in you.

See, you are one more deceived who thinks and teaches the deception that "everlasting life" is a TIME PERIOD that never ends.
And this lie is common among a multitude of man-made heresies that are found within the "cult of the Virgin".
So, let me help you with that one....
"everlasting life" is not a time period that never ends, but rather, its JESUS HIMSELF who is "eternal Life".
So, when a person is born again by the Holy Spirit and not "by water" as your lying bible teaches, then Jesus, who Himself IS Eternal Life, comes to live inside the redeemed, and this Spiritual joining puts the born again into the Spirit of God, as "ONE WITH GOD">
Understand...... God IS Eternal, so its HIS LIFE that is Joined to the Born again that causes them to become a "new Creation" "In Christ".

There is your "eternal life".

And you ONLY have Him in your life as long as you cooperate with His grace . . .
Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19

 

[BreadOfLife]

Setting aside all the deflections...

How about YOU...

Have you Become soul Saved?
If so HOW did you do that?

Have you Become spirit born again?
If so HOW did you do that?

I was Baptized in Christ.
He said that THIS is how a person is born again (John 3:5).

 

[Taken]

Fornication or adultry if married,

Thanks. I was looking for a response of the written Law, book and verse.

 

[BreadOfLife]

if you knew even one thing about the Omnipotence, sovereignty, and love of God, you would realize that He is not going to allow his unadulterated message to be lost to the church, simply because the majority of the church today speaks ands reads English.

And He is also not going to only give His unadulterated message to educated Greek and Hebrew scholars.

The educated scribes and Pharisees rejected Jesus; while the common people heard Him gladly.

You are absolutely correct in your first comment above in RED - because it is His CHURCH that He left to educate the world about Him (Matt. 28:19-20) and NOT a Book. That came later - through His Church.

As to your 2nd comment in RED - remember what Peter wrote regarding Scripture, because it applies to YOU:
2 Pet. 3:16
There are some things in them (Paul's letters) that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the OTHER Scriptures.

 

[Wrangler]

What's "schocking" is ...

Your lack of humility is what is shocking. Not once did our Lord insult his opponents as you have in this thread.

 

[Waiting on him]

You are absolutely correct in your first comment above in RED - because it is His CHURCH that He left to educate the world about Him (Matt. 28:19-20) and NOT a Book. That came later - through His Church.

I disagree what you accredit to man I accredit to God.

 

[Taken]

In the law of Moses we learn from this passage that sex outside of marriage is a sin. You have to marry and be married to the woman you have sex with.......

28If a man encounters a virgin who is not pledged in marriage, and he seizes her and lies with her, and they are discovered, 29then the man who lay with her must pay the young woman’s father fifty shekels of silver,e and she must become his wife because he has violated her. He must not divorce her as long as he lives. Deuteronomy 22:28-29
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Thank you.
So are you Under Mosaic Law?

 

[Taken]

I was Baptized in Christ.
He said that THIS is how a person is born again (John 3:5).

Question..
Is your soul saved?
Did you make a confession of "Heartful" Belief IN God and Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God?

Were you Baptized by and of the Lords Spirit, Before or After Confessing with your heartful belief?

 

[Wrangler]

As to your 2nd comment in RED - remember what Peter wrote regarding Scripture, because it applies to YOU:
2 Pet. 3:16
There are some things in them (Paul's letters) that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable

You are wrong to equate the common man with being ignorant and unstable. Humans are not all knowing and therefore, inherently ignorant to a certain degree.

 

[Heart2Soul]

if you knew even one thing about the Omnipotence, sovereignty, and love of God, you would realize that He is not going to allow his unadulterated message to be lost to the church, simply because the majority of the church today speaks ands reads English.

Very presumptuous of you to suggest I don't know one thing about our Father.
For the sake of peace I will leave you to your belief. I had a simple question that is worth discussing with those who are willing and able to do so.
You are not discussing or debating anything. Instead you choose to be condescending and arrogant.
I will just agree to disagree with your belief.
Have a blessed day.