Once Saved Always Saved

[Behold]

The faith that justifies all by itself apart from works, works. .

The Temple of the Holy Spirit is God living in the Born again.
This is not a process, its an event that lasts for as long as God lives.
Being born again is proof a person has become the "temple of God".
To be the Temple of God, is to be "in Christ".

 

[Behold]

My point is that whereas the Gospel message is easily understandable -.

You teach that water baptism causes the new birth.
So, you are not familiar with the "Gospel".
"born again BY water".....remember?
Try not to forget your false bible that taught you that lie.

 

[Behold]

As for the entire first part of your whiny rant - again, you're simply changing the subject because you're losing the debate.
Stick to the topic . . ..

We are not in a debate, as you would have to be skilled in the word to try that situation.
What we are doing is defining your "cult of the virgin" as a "doctrine of devils".
It's already happened.

 

[Behold]

Yes they were hebrew.

Required by the roman empire to learn and be affluent in Greek,

This started with the greek empire. and continued with the roman empire.

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"translated into the Greek".

Try to understand that if they were writing in Greek, there would be no reason to translate the Apostles letters into "greek".

 

[Behold]

You have everlasting life as long as you endure in faith.

You have everlasting life, if you have the ONE who IS Everlasting Life, in you.

See, you are one more deceived who thinks and teaches the deception that "everlasting life" is a TIME PERIOD that never ends.
And this lie is common among a multitude of man-made heresies that are found within the "cult of the Virgin".
So, let me help you with that one....
"everlasting life" is not a time period that never ends, but rather, its JESUS HIMSELF who is "eternal Life".
So, when a person is born again by the Holy Spirit and not "by water" as your lying bible teaches, then Jesus, who Himself IS Eternal Life, comes to live inside the redeemed, and this Spiritual joining puts the born again into the Spirit of God, as "ONE WITH GOD">
Understand...... God IS Eternal, so its HIS LIFE that is Joined to the Born again that causes them to become a "new Creation" "In Christ".

There is your "eternal life".

 

[Heart2Soul]

Agreed. While I admit there are verses in support of both positions, I side with Jesus talking about salt losing its flavor and vines that don't produce fruit are destined for fire.

I do find the ex post facto reasoning of OSAS ironic; that if someone who was saved turns their back on God, they weren't REALLY saved to begin with.

Define REALLY saved.
I for one had a hard time understanding salvation when I was a new Christian. Every Sunday I would go up and get saved AGAIN because I had sinned. One Sunday I went home in utter despair about my Christian walk.
When I walked in my home I just fell to my knees and cried out to God saying "I give up...this Christianity thing is too hard...no matter how hard I try I always seem to mess up.".......
The rest of the story is in my testimony.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Disobedience is unbelief in practice.

How can you disobey what you don't believe in?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I was hoping to see your Scriptural evidence.

You mean this?

1 John 3: 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Wow, I hope you never stumble your way to Hell.

One can’t stumble their way to hell

he who does not believe is condemned already.....

Unbelief is the ticket to hell, and we are born in unbelief, we don’t stumble in unbelief,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Nope, none of them including Farley takes into consideration that one can stop believing.

But it really doesn't matter if you think of it.

You hold on to your faith as I know you will do, nothing to worry about!

One can’t stop believing, unless God is unfaithful

Again, your lack of faith in the power and love of god amazes me

 

[Eternally Grateful]

"translated into the Greek".

Try to understand that if they were writing in Greek, there would be no reason to translate the Apostles letters into "greek".

No one translated them into Greek, the origional manuscripts except for a,few were Greek, the rest are copies made by scribes

That’s the point

 

[Taken]

First of all - I said "Relational" - not "Rational". so the main point of your argument goes right OUT the window . . .

Secondly, a full, experiential and relational kowledge similar to a married husband and wife doesn't meant that I know every single thought in her head.
Likewise - Epignosis of Christ simply means that you have a full and relational understanding of the truth.
It doesn't mean that you know every move God is going to make next.

Setting aside all the deflections...

How about YOU...

Have you Become soul Saved?
If so HOW did you do that?

Have you Become spirit born again?
If so HOW did you do that?

 

[Taken]

No really, if you sleep with a prostitute you are sinning.

Please quote the LAW.

 

[Heart2Soul]

In reference to 1 John 3....
First start with 1 John 1:8-10
1Jn 1 (NKJV)
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⁸ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
⁹ If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
¹⁰ If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
Cross reference to verse 9
Rom 3 (NKJV)
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⁹ What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
¹⁰ As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one;
¹¹ There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.
¹² They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one."

So in 1 John 1 the author says there is none righteous...all have sinned. If we say we are without sin we make God a liar....

Then in chapter 3 the author seems to contradict himself....but did he?

 

[Waiting on him]

I see your back again.

Well mr catholic (or should I call you jewish) . Your wrong

It says they RECIEVED it. It never said they accepted it.

Your the one who refuses to grasp my friend.

Yes, you cannot receive Christ as a once for all sacrifice,,,,,, then return to the laying on of hands. This is Judaism the laying on of hands is a Jew laying his hands on the animal sacrifice the Levite is to offer as a sacrifice that is to atone for the individuals sins.


Hebrews 6:2 KJV
[2] Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You are not born again, or saved, by "confidence".
You are redeemed by the blood atonement.

Born again saved people have confidence in the blood, or else they are not born again.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

In reference to 1 John 3....
First start with 1 John 1:8-10
1Jn 1 (NKJV)
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⁸ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
⁹ If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
¹⁰ If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
Cross reference to verse 9
Rom 3 (NKJV)
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⁹ What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
¹⁰ As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one;
¹¹ There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.
¹² They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one."

So in 1 John 1 the author says there is none righteous...all have sinned. If we say we are without sin we make God a liar....

Then in chapter 3 the author seems to contradict himself....but did he?

I believe in chapter 1 is is telling us to not be proud and think we are without sin (he used the present tense) and if we think we are we have decieved ourself because we are not looking at reality.

In chapter 3 he is talking about a lifestyle of sin vs a lifestyle of righteousness,

he who lives a lifestyle of continued present active sin has never seen or known God,

he is talking about the unbeliever, the unbeliever in all they do it is continual sin, whoever has been born of God can not do this because they have been born of God and have been given his spirit,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Please quote the LAW.

Fornication or adultry if married,

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Saved people are born again.

And all saved born again people believe, or else they are not born again. Only believing people are born again and saved.

Religious but lost pretend to be Christian, and talk about self saving.

The unbelieving are religious but lost and pretend to be Christian. No unbeliever is saved.

 

[Waiting on him]

Actually, I'm not keeping the covenant of Law that God gave to Israel, and they weren't trusting in Jesus to impute to them righteousness.

So I don't think your statement really gives the right idea.

If you were to qualify it to, we are all saved by trusting in God's word to us, then I'd agree.

Remember . . . Abraham believed God, and that belief was counted to him as righteousness. What was it Abraham believed? That he'd have lots of children.

Much love!

More importantly Who gave him the power to believe.