Once Saved Always Saved

[Wrangler]

Ferris Bueller said: ↑
Well you sure don't keep yourself saved, lol.
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You remain in the Son and the Father and the promise of eternal life if you let the word of the gospel remain in you.

How do you reconcile these seemingly disparate thoughts?

Much love!

Seems easier enough to reconcile. Naturally, it is God that saves. He throws us the life preserver. It is up to us to take it.

 

[kcnalp]

John said one who sins has never known God

Wow, I've been reading the Bible for over 40 years and didn't see that one.

 

[Charlie24]

I wonder what this means......” If we are UNFAITHFUL, He Remains Faithful.....”......

“NOTHING in ALL CREATION can separate us from the Love Of God “

I assume NOTHING means “ NOTHING” ....
That would include anything that we do or do not do......

Peter flat-out denied even “ knowing” Jesus.....Jesus forgave him...Peter suffered torment from his denial of Jesus, But Jesus, Even after this “ golden opportunity” to Cast somebody out if He desired to , apparently decided to readily forgive him.....and restore him......

The difference is that Peter denied Christ in fear, or whatever it may have been, he didn't deny Him as in no longer believing in Him.

There are circumstances in life when someone will walk away from Christ, no longer believing in what saved them, they deny Him in His saving grace.

That is what Paul is discussing in Heb. 6 and 10.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

How do you reconcile these seemingly disparate thoughts?

Much love!

Letting the word remain in you is not you saving yourself.

humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save your souls. James 1:21​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Seriously, I'm interested in your answer, because, in all honesty, I can't imagine how you will answer and remain consistent with the things you've said.

Why is it that saved people continue to have faith?

You're reading something into what I said that I am not saying. What I'm saying is a saved person is a believing person. And an unsaved person is an unbelieving person. Behold says a saved person can also be an unbelieving person.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Wow, I've been reading the Bible for over 40 years and didn't see that one.

I did a study in psalms tonight, I have read the Bible multiple times and like you studied for about 40 years and I did not remember moses wrote a psalm (psalm 90)

just goes to she me anyway no matter how many times you read you can always find something new. The gift that keeps giving

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Wow! Shocking lack of humility.

Sadly there a few like that

 

[Ferris Bueller]

In fact Paul is speaking to A Divided group;
1Cor.1
[1] Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
[2] Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
[3] Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

And: About them:
[6] Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
[7] So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[8] Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

And speaking TO: Jews, To babes, To beginner learners, expanding their knowledge, Warning.

1 Cor 5:
[1] It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

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No. I already Have said;
I am not a Jew, and certainly not a Jew having historical generations of fathers under 4,000 years of Jewish Law and A Hebrew Covenant and Beginning to Learn about a new covenant, from a new discovery of Jesus being their Messiah.

Prostitution definitely was A Sin under Jewish Law...and here they are still learning the basics.

How long have you heard, been preached to and read and studied Scripture?...and did you have a long historical Religion you were switching from?

Think about these people...a long religious history...and what?...a few times a traveling preacher and FEW letters...and an expectation they instantly forgot all their Mosaic laws and Knew all the details of this new religion...?

There are People who have listened for years in Christian churches and still do not know some of the basics.

As I said...what applies to me in Scripture, is what I apply to me.

You do know the majority of The New Testament was written For Jews??
The Men Jesus chose and Sent out were Jews, TO the Jews.

Jews were suppose to be Grasping the information and inturn Teaching the Gentiles.
Why that didn't happen is a long study initself.

My SIN had Nothing to do with OT Mosaic Law.
A Jews Sin had Everything to do with Mosaic Law, and WHY you continue to See Jews teaching Jews in the NT and such a primary thing (as SIN), a great concern for Jews, learning how it fits in with this new Covenant.

No really, if you sleep with a prostitute you are sinning.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No really, if you sleep with a prostitute you are sinning.

In reality, if you think about it, you are sinning

people always think only of overt sins, they ignore the MA sins,

 

[kcnalp]

I did a study in psalms tonight, I have read the Bible multiple times and like you studied for about 40 years and I did not remember moses wrote a psalm (psalm 90)

just goes to she me anyway no matter how many times you read you can always find something new. The gift that keeps giving

I was hoping to see your Scriptural evidence.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The difference is that Peter denied Christ in fear, or whatever it may have been, he didn't deny Him as in no longer believing in Him.

There are circumstances in life when someone will walk away from Christ, no longer believing in what saved them, they deny Him in His saving grace.

That is what Paul is discussing in Heb. 6 and 10.

Nope.....not even close...you need to google “ Andrew Farley Heb 6 and 10 for another viewpoint on those unneccessarily “ scary verses” in Hebrews.....the Truth behind those verses is so obvious when properly explained that even a five year old could grasp it.....I hope everybody takes the time to do this.....you will sleep better at night....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I did a study in psalms tonight, I have read the Bible multiple times and like you studied for about 40 years and I did not remember moses wrote a psalm (psalm 90)

just goes to she me anyway no matter how many times you read you can always find something new. The gift that keeps giving

Amen!

 

[kcnalp]

Nope.....not even close...you need to google “ Andrew Farley Heb 6 and 10 for another viewpoint on those unneccessarily “ scary verses” in Hebrews.....the Truth behind those verses is so obvious when properly explained that even a five year old could grasp it.....I hope everybody takes the time to do this.....you will sleep better at night....

Wow, I hope you never stumble your way to Hell.

 

[Charlie24]

Nope.....not even close...you need to google “ Andrew Farley Heb 6 and 10 for another viewpoint on those unneccessarily “ scary verses” in Hebrews.....the Truth behind those verses is so obvious when properly explained that even a five year old could grasp it.....I hope everybody takes the time to do this.....you will sleep better at night....

Nope, none of them including Farley takes into consideration that one can stop believing.

But it really doesn't matter if you think of it.

You hold on to your faith as I know you will do, nothing to worry about!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Wow, I hope you never stumble your way to Hell.

That is an impossibility unless of course, God turns out to be a Liar.....

“ Anybody that asks to be Saved will be Saved”

Do you think God is a “liar”..... I don’t.......that’s how I know I am Saved....how about you?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Nope, none of them including Farley takes into consideration that one can stop believing.

But it really doesn't matter if you think of it.

You hold on to your faith as I know you will do, nothing to worry about!

 

[Behold]

Even in Galatians 5:19-21, it becomes clear that if anyone walks according to the flesh, they will not inherit the kingdom of God.
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The Kingdom of God is "within you"< if you are born again.
You don't inherit it, later.

You are unbelievably theologically lost.

 

[Behold]

Stay focused here. The Bible says, "we are His house, if we hold firmly to our confidence .

You are not born again, or saved, by "confidence".
You are redeemed by the blood atonement.

 

[Behold]

Saved people are believers.

Saved people are born again.
Religious but lost pretend to be Christian, and talk about self saving.

 

[Behold]

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