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[Taken]

The point is that is what is inspired of the Holy Spirit must be written by holy men or else it is not inspired of the Holy Spirit.

Does looking at the "deeper truths" make this not the reality?

I don't think so.

The point was, who spoke and who wrote, were specifically different people...as Scripture reveals.

Doesn't matter to me what you think.
Scripture never instructed to follow you.

 

[Taken]

Yes.

No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him. 1 John 3:6

The one who does not love remains in death. 1 John 3:14​

I agree, a man who is Converted, does not sin....can not sin.

YET, people CLAIM repeatedly...
THEY ARE CONVERTED and DO CONTINUE TO SIN.

So, are they LIARS?

 

[BreadOfLife]

I disagree. It is not a preference but a part of the Great Commission to speak in the language of the people.

Your language skills as revealed above does not lend credibility to what people can do or how serious students go about it.

I speak English. Comparing one English translation is informative. Because translators exist, I have no need to become one also.

Have a blessed day.

And NOBODY said that Greek is a "preference" of the Holy Spirit.

HOWEVER, there are many words in other languages (like Greek) that do NOT have an English equivalent. "Epigosis" is one of those words, as I AMPLY showed by scholarly evidence in my last post (#632). To deny this fact is to admit your ignorance of languages.

 

[justbyfaith]

NEITHER of these verses make the claim that Christians can't sin.

I didn't say that they did...while I will say that they teach that believers don't sin while they abide in the vine; which is Jesus Christ.

1 John 3:9, however, does teach us that believers "cannot sin"...

Which may be hyperbole...exaggeration to make a point.

What point?

That those who are born again have made a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, hell, and satan, towards righteousness, life, heaven, and God; so that they are walking in a new direction: and the following is true of them.

Pro 4:18, But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

 

[Taken]

No unbeliever will inherit the kingdom of God. Period.

Will ALL believers Enter the Kingdom of Heaven?

 

[justbyfaith]

Concerning epignosis.

It should be clear that if anyone believes on Jesus they have everlasting life (John 6:47).

Nevertheless, in Luke 8:13, we find the example of someone who "believes for a while and then falls away".

Does a person who falls away continue to have everlasting life?

I think that to say that they do would be to teach heresy.

So, there must be a different reconciliation for this apparent contradiction (because if they have everlasting life, they have life that can never come to an end...otherwise it would have been defined as temporal).

The answer is that the Luke 8:13 believer has mere mental assent...a nominal, lukewarm, or shallow faith.

While the person who has everlasting life (John 6:47) has a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14).

 

[Taken]

My mindset changed completely when I was born again. Before I was born again righteousness got in the way of my desire for sinning. Now sinning gets in the way of my desire for righteousness.

Your post 616;
No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him. 1 John 3:6

So you claim...
*) your mindset was completely changed when you were born again...
BY WHAT POWER?

*) you were born again.

*) sinning get in your way of your desire for righteousness.
HOW does "sin" get in your way?
Thinking about "committing" sin?
"Committing" sin?

Elaborate in answering the questions?

 

[justbyfaith]

The point was, who spoke and who wrote, were specifically different people...as Scripture reveals.

Doesn't matter to me what you think.
Scripture never instructed to follow you.

So, by this, I gather that you believe that those who penned the holy scriptures were not all holy men of God?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You cannot confess that Jesus is your Lord unless the Holy Spirit is in you.

In order to do that, He must actually be your Lord.

Jesus said,

Luk 6:46, And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

If Jesus is not really your Lord, then to say with your mouth "Jesus is Lord" is not a confession. A confession is to agree with God, and if it is not the truth, then God is not saying it; and therefore to mouth the words is not to agree with Him.


To say “ Jesus is Lord” is to say that Jesus is God in the Flesh.....as Peter said,” You are the Christ...the Son Of The Living God”...... that was apparently all that Jesus needed to hear......Jesus took that confession and made it the Rock that He built His church upon.....
......you insist on hearing more.... Peter did NOT say to Jesus, “ I now make you Lord of my Life” and
Jesus ran with that, declaring “that” as the Rock upon which He would build His Church.....
Peter confessed that Jesus was who He Said He was —- he was a Believer.We need to do the same ....Do you Believe Jesus was who He said was —- “ The Resurrected Lord that died for you Sins?” If you Believe that, you Believe the Gospel .....Paul said if you Believed the Gospel—- Plus Nothing—- you are Saved . End of Story.

 

[justbyfaith]

The point was, who spoke and who wrote, were specifically different people...as Scripture reveals.

Doesn't matter to me what you think.
Scripture never instructed to follow you.

Actually it did.

For the following scriptures are given to me.

Jhn 15:20, Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

1Jo 4:4, Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:5, They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6, We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

And the following scripture is perhaps given to you.

Jhn 8:47, He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

 

[justbyfaith]

You cannot confess that Jesus is your Lord unless the Holy Spirit is in you.

In order to do that, He must actually be your Lord.

Jesus said,

Luk 6:46, And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

If Jesus is not really your Lord, then to say with your mouth "Jesus is Lord" is not a confession. A confession is to agree with God, and if it is not the truth, then God is not saying it; and therefore to mouth the words is not to agree with Him.


To say “ Jesus is Lord” is to say that Jesus is God in the Flesh.....as Peter said,” You are the Christ...the Son Of The Living God”...... that was apparently all that Jesus needed to hear......Jesus took that confession and made it the Rock that He built His church upon.....
......you insist on hearing more.... Peter did NOT say to Jesus, “ I now make you Lord of my Life” and
Jesus ran with that, declaring “that” as the Rock upon which He would build His Church.....
Peter confessed that Jesus was who He Said He was —- he was a Believer.We need to do the same ....Do you Believe Jesus was who He said was —- “ The Resurrected Lord that died for you Sins?” If you Believe that, you Believe the Gospel .....Paul said if you Believed the Gospel—- Plus Nothing—- you are Saved . End of Story.

Peter was a follower of Jesus and called Him Lord on not a few occasions. Therefore Jesus was His Lord; or else the Lord would have rebuked him for being hypocritical.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Blood Bought 1953 said: ↑
Soundly refuted by those that have “ Fallen From Grace?” ....I doubt it...
So soundly refuted that your only recourse in continuing to oppose us is to resort to ad hominem attacks.


It’s the same “ recourse” that Paul used....familiar with the Term “ Gospel Perverter?”...... That originated with Paul, not me.....He also called your Types “ Fools”. Want more?

 

[justbyfaith]

Blood Bought 1953 said: ↑
Soundly refuted by those that have “ Fallen From Grace?” ....I doubt it...
So soundly refuted that your only recourse in continuing to oppose us is to resort to ad hominem attacks.


It’s the same “ recourse” that Paul used....familiar with the Term “ Gospel Perverter?”...... That originated with Paul, not me.....He also called your Types “ Fools”. Want more?

@Blood Bought 1953, do you consider it to be true, that I despise the Lord?

 

[Wrangler]

And NOBODY said that Greek is a "preference" of the Holy Spirit.

Great point!

HOWEVER

, there are many words in other languages (like Greek) that do NOT have an English equivalent. "Epigosis" is one of those words ...

I rely on translators. This is why comparing different English translations is informative. I kind of look at language translation or transliteration as a multi-faceted gem. For instance, in the Eskimo language they have 28 words for snow. We add adjectives, like icy, powdery, slushy.

Anyone who asserts English is some kind of back water, obsolete or dead language that cannot possibly communicate effectively what concepts originate in other languages is fooling themselves.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I have the sin nature that dwells inside me, but by my faith in Christ and relationship with Him, sin will not have dominion over me, meaning as long as I exercise my faith in the Cross of Christ, the sin nature will not have dominion, or control me.

I am saved by the grace of God but I am not sinless. I fail at times, even though I don't want to. But when I do fail, I'm sorry and feel remorse that I have sinned against my God. I don't want to sin, I have no pleasure in it, I long for the day when the mortal puts on the immortal, and I will no longer fail my Christ.


I would encourage you, brother, by letting you know that you do not have to fail.


We all “ fail” when it comes to finding perfection in these flesh bodies.....some , like Paul ,know it and admit it.....I am like Paul in that regard.....others remain in their self- delusion and pride and ignorance....

 

[Taken]

So, by this, I gather that you believe that those who penned the holy scriptures were not all holy men of God?

You half listen, half conclude.
I specifically said "certain/particular scribes".
Even people whose profession is the same, are individuals whose thoughts differ.

And perhaps it is of no interest to you, but many "scribes" were against Jesus;
And Jesus had "many" woes directed to particular scribes.

"Holy men" ?
Holy men "ARE" men who "ARE" faithful to God.

Scribes WROTE what they HEARD.
The "hypocrisy" was many "scribes", did not believe.
That was the same "woes of hypocrisy" Priests "spoke" To the People, but themselves did not Believe the same "applied to them".

The LESSON is, a "position", (priest, scribe, elder, etc.) does not "make" a person "HOLY",
(As PEOPLE PRESUME and TEACH).

 

[BloodBought 1953]

@Blood Bought 1953, do you consider it to be true, that I despise the Lord?



No.....I don’t “Consider” Anything ....I KNOW that you preach a False Gospel ......I KNOW that you are “ Fallen From Grace” .....you don’t necessarily “ despise the Lord” ....You “ despise” His Grace.....you have never had it extended to you and that is why you do not understand it......even though the Bible says we are “ Saved by Grace”.....
The main thing that I might “ Consider” to be True is that you are in serious Jeopardy of being Lost.....it all depends on what “ Falling from Grace” might entail.....that is the state that you are in....read Galatians and prove that I am wrong.....it can’t be done.......

 

[Taken]

Actually it did.

For the following scriptures are given to me.

Jhn 15:20, Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

1Jo 4:4, Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:5, They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6, We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

And the following scripture is perhaps given to you.

Jhn 8:47, He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

I know whom I Believe, Trust, Follow, Serve.
He who was Sent forth out from God and returned to God.

You want to 'accuse' me of not being of God...
So what?
Your accusations reflect on you, and have zero affect on me.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You escape on a technicality. I have shown that the concept of repenting of your sins to be saved is indeed found in holy scripture. Because you require the exact words you don't have to pay up. But you lose the argument; because the concept is there in holy scripture.

Before I expose your Hog wash views on Repentance....please tell me what you mean by that word.....when you say you “ repent of your sins” do you mean to say that you are sorry for your sins or are you saying that you have quit your sins......
To get to Heaven, do I just have to be sorry for my sins or do I have to rise above sin and not sin ever again?

 

[justbyfaith]

@Blood Bought 1953, do you consider it to be true, that I despise the Lord?



No.....I don’t “Consider” Anything ....I KNOW that you preach a False Gospel ......I KNOW that you are “ Fallen From Grace” .....you don’t necessarily “ despise the Lord” ....You “ despise” His Grace.....you have never had it extended to you and that is why you do not understand it......even though the Bible says we are “ Saved by Grace”.....
The main thing that I might “ Consider” to be True is that you are in serious Jeopardy of being Lost.....it all depends on what “ Falling from Grace” might entail.....that is the state that you are in....read Galatians and prove that I am wrong.....it can’t be done.......

I am indeed a true recipient of the grace of God. And I understand it better than you do because I have not learned about it from teachers whom I have heaped to myself to teach me what my itching ears want to hear (2 Timothy 4:3)...

According to you, if someone repents of their sins they are lost because of it...this kind of thinking is highly skewed.

We all “ fail” when it comes to finding perfection in these flesh bodies.....some , like Paul ,know it and admit it.....I am like Paul in that regard.....others remain in their self- delusion and pride and ignorance...

You have completely ignored the scripture that was quoted to encourage that brother and you seek to diminish the ministry of that scripture in the lives of people who perhaps did not get wind of it.

But the scripture is very clear...

(New Living Translation):
Rom 8:12, Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, you have no obligation to do what your sinful nature urges you to do.
Rom 8:13, For if you live by its dictates, you will die. But if through the power of the Spirit you put to death the deeds of your sinful nature, you will live.

@Blood Bought 1953, do you think that I despise the Lord?