Once Saved Always Saved

[Michiah-Imla]

You appear to be saying that you believe that we continue to be saved by continued works.

Titus 1:16
[16] They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

2 Timothy 2:12
[12]... if we deny him, he also will deny us

US, the saved.

You’re entrance into the faith that saves is without works, but once you’re in the faith you must continue in obedience to realize salvation in the end.

This is biblical doctrine, not mine.

 

[amigo de christo]

Its real simple . Whoever wants salvation COME TO JESUS and Be not moved away from the hope of the gospel .
Simply learn Christ . Learn the doctrine . Understand that every warning was not to condmen but to Remind folks
that we must simply continue in CHRIST . And be sure you examine your faith and ensure its the biblical JESUS you are following and not men
Be sure to learn all the doctrine . For many men have long deceived the churches . Let us exhort one another daily
unless any does become hardened through the decietfulness of sin . We ought to use the reminders for edification
not twist the reminders to suit a teaching from men . KNow and understand there is no salvation in any other than IN JESUS .
And let no man take thy crown . And as paul once said , LET all who name the name of JESUS depart from inquity .
He never said oh ye can sin a thousand times a day and nothing ye do can cause you to lose salvation .
WHAT HE said was , IF YE FOLLOW the flesh , YE AINT HIS . PAUL made sure to let the church know
that WE are the servants of WHOM we OBEY . I SUGGEST WE DO THE SAME . PAUL said let not iniquity once be named ,
That dont sound anything like , oh we cant out sin GODS grace . IT sounded like what JESUS said . GO AND SIN NO MORE .
WE have to get far more diligent in our walk .

 

[Wrangler]

I am sorry

But you keep supposing we can save ourselves by our own power

No. Only we can abdicate the saving grace offered.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The point of the whole thing is that everyone from adam to moses had absolutely no access to God. If any of them touched that mountain or came into the presence of God they would die.

I agree with that.

 

[amigo de christo]

Titus 1:16
[16] They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

2 Timothy 2:12
[12]... if we deny him, he also will deny us

US, the saved.

You’re entrance into the faith that saves is without works, but once you’re in the faith you must continue in obedience to realize salvation in the end.

This is biblical doctrine, not mine.

This reminder might help a bit more . This is a DOERS action . watch this .
BUT if any provides not for his own , and specially for those of his own house , HE has DENIED THE FAITH , DENIED THE FAITH
and is worse than even an infidel .
And notice the warning about widows that later would wax lacking unto CHRIST .
HAVING damnation cause they have CAST OFF the GOOD FAITH THEY HAD AT FIRST .
WHO WE OBEY IS WHOSE WE ARE . ITS SO CLEAR .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

That is why you will never convince me people can lose faith.

I'm not trying to convince anyone. I say let's just go with what we do know for sure in the Bible........keep believing, for God is faithful.

 

[Wrangler]

Once again, Matt 7 is about the people who believe. Not about unbelievers

Once again, there is a difference between belief and faith. Hence, the Lords words in Matthew 7:21.

 

[Wrangler]

ALL who have faith in Christ do his will. Its not a prerequisite to be saved, Its a result of being saved because of faith.

Agreed. Except it is not by definition. Some who are saved lose faith and stop doing the will of God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No.
That's why we are exhorted to keep believing......because God is faithful.

Let us hold resolutely to the hope we profess, for He who promised is faithful. Hebrews 10:23
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Don't throw away such a sure hope. Keep believing and don't give up hope because the promise is sure.

That’s why we will never lose faith

why are you fighting it?

you lose faith in people who are not trustworthy, you just admitted god never fails, so if you really had faith you could never lose it

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Oh, I thought you believed that the true believer must be a believer all the way to the end or else he was never a true believer. I agree that we must be a believer all the the way to the end.

How many times have I said now a true believer would never lose faith. It’s not a possibility, so would I say otherwise, you keep insisting I believe we MUST. That’s not true. That’s a slight variation. Of what I really said, but untrue all the same

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Once again, there is a difference between belief and faith. Hence, the Lords words in Matthew 7:21.

Once again

he lords words are about people who have true faith, it’s descriptive not prescriptive,

true believers can not lose salvation because they fail to live up to that command, because they do Gods commands, because they have faith,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Agreed. Except it is not by definition. Some who are saved lose faith and stop doing the will of God.

Nope

they had true faith to begin with, they were make believers not true believers

why do you all insist God has no power to change everyone he makes his child?

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm not trying to convince anyone. I say let's just go with what we do know for sure in the Bible........keep believing, for God is faithful.

exactly . Just keep exhorting one another to continue in the grace of GOD , in CHRIST . Even barnabas did so as did others .
Lets just point to Christ and exhort daily to continue having faith in HIM and to be hearers and doers , not hearers only .
Keep reminding the church to do good and to flee evil . Just keep bringing all the reminders that both JESUS and the apostels gave .

 

[justbyfaith]

Titus 1:16
[16] They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

2 Timothy 2:12
[12]... if we deny him, he also will deny us

US, the saved.

You’re entrance into the faith that saves is without works, but once you’re in the faith you must continue in obedience to realize salvation in the end.

This is biblical doctrine, not mine.

See what the Bible teaches in Romans 1:17, Galatians 3:1-3, and Colossians 2:6.

Once again, there is a difference between belief and faith.

"believe" is the verb for the noun "faith" and "belief" is a synonymous noun.

 

[Wrangler]

How many times have I said now a true believer would never lose faith.

Circular Reasoning. No matter how many times you say it, it does not make it true.

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm not trying to convince anyone. I say let's just go with what we do know for sure in the Bible........keep believing, for God is faithful.

There is a big false belief gaining ground . And we can never believe this lie . We cannot be moved away from the hope of the true gospel .
And the lie is that Every religion , even atheist that does good is automatically saved . IF they love etc .
NOT TRUE and this DENIES the true gospel . WE can never be in agreement to this lie .
IF so we will truly find ourselves on the day of judgement hearing , DEPART FROM ME .
AND we must remember that JESUS is not the ministir of sin . and that hearers only decieve themselves .
I see many hearers only today . An example is they still love they old sin ,they justify their sin and say , HEY I LOVE JESUS I BELIEVE
so i am saved . WRONG ANSWER . I used to be like that and i was lost not saved . GOD changes folks . WE must be LED of the SPIRIT
and not the flesh .

 

[Michiah-Imla]

See what the Bible teaches in Romans 1:17, Galatians 3:1-3, and Colossians 2:6.

You seem to be in the Once Saved Always Saved crowd in some form.

You ignore the scriptures I post that confirm my assertions and proceed to “correct” me with scriptures that do not disprove what I post.

 

[Wrangler]

why do you all insist God has no power to change everyone he makes his child?

Because God gave us liberty along with life. That’s why we are the elect.

 

[amigo de christo]

There is one easy way to find out who is following Christ and Who is not .
IF we are truly HIS then we would TRULY have the SPIRIT .
WHEN i was truly drawn to Christ , did you all know that when evil pops into my mind , I GET CONVICTED .
But how many can do evil and yet justify it . CAUSE i dont see the SPIRIT in that .
Ponder this . HOW many do you see hollering gay marraige is fine . OR sex before marriage .
OR they justify pornography , or they justify their love of money . WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE OF THE HOLY GHOST .
Cause as i said , when even a bad thought pops in my head , I GET CONVICTED my friends .
SO where is their conviction . WHY JUSTIFY EVIL . WHERE is their charity . CHARITY does not rejoice in inquity
but IN TRUTH . IT does not behave itself unseemingly . THEY are no different that i once was ,
I could holler JESUS saves , BUT I SURE DIDNT KNOW HIM . I had DEAD FAITH my friends .
SO lets teach this generation the REAL BIBLICAL JESUS . stop giving false hope and start giving true HOPE .

 

[amigo de christo]

You seem to be in the Once Saved Always Saved crowd in some form.

You ignore the scriptures I post that confirm my assertions and proceed to “correct” me with scriptures that do not disprove what I post.

I dont THINK that he is , BUT i do see a problem . HE is being wore down cause he always strives with the same ones over and over again .
IF folks wont heed , you cannot make them HEED . We can and should always remind with truth . BUT when i see folks not heeding
i rather move on and go to another thread . You will wear yourself OUT . Only GOD can give the increase .
WE must speak truth but if folks wont heed after a few times . AND NO matter how many scrips you bring
they keep twisting it , Well it then becomes quite pointless and futile .