Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[Taken]

It looks like there are many things you don't have a clue about.
It's all a matter of scrolling back and reading the thread to refresh your mind.
You don't....that's fine to me.
Have a great day though.
You can continue with BOL now.

Uh huh. I skipped mind-reading 101.

You said "backsliding". YOU don't know what YOU mean, simply gives an indication you are in confusion.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

YEs this one

Act_11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Means nothing for children unless you believe in a God that would send children to hell when they cant even think for themselves..

But according to some Christians, your ability to use the brain God gave you to think and reason for yourself means nothing. Its all about the spirit, the "flesh profits nothing", they often love to quote.

In the big scheme...
The mind, (in the Brain) has thoughts;
The spirit, (in the Heart) has thoughts;

Natural and Corrupt, concerning Spiritual things.

The WAY for a man TO begin changing from
Natural to Supernatural; is a simple choice of the man TO CHOOSE to hear/read the Word of God. There forward, God intervenes...

Every man Hearing & (verifying) /Reading &(believing) IS being Enlightened, By God.

Not Saved.
Being Enlightened BY God who is LIGHT.
Receiving FAITH in the mans natural spirit in his Heart, By and From God.

Remember the man CHOSE to hear/read.
The man also CAN CHOOSE to STOP hearing/reading.

He can go to a CHRISTIAN Church TO Hear.
He can call HIMSELF a CHRISTIAN.
Others can call HIM a CHRISTIAN.
He is...because he IS hearing, reading, believing, following the Word of God.

And tomorrow the man can CHOOSE to Stop hearing, reading, believing, following...
AND no longer call himself a Christian, or be called a Christian by others, or BE A recipient of Gods Enlightment, or BE A recipient of Faith from God....AND bingo; that man is in jeopardy of LOSING OUT on receiving Salvation. (Judas being a prime example).
(Scripturally quoted as Lost faith, Lost salvation)
(ONE of BLO's worst false teaching...claiming Lost salvation, can occur after having RECEIVED Salvation).

Or the man can continue hearing, reading, believing, following....
Continuously receiving "enlightment" AND continuously receiving "Faith" from God TO the mans "natural" spirit in his heart...
That his own heart is prepared with Faith, to CALL on the Lord and Confess his faith IN the Lord, TO the Lord...and thus RECEIVE
Salvation of his soul
AND
Quickening of his natural spirit to a supernatural spirit.

NOW the man IS Forever WITH the Lord.

As well the man IS prepared to continue hearing, reading, learning, studying, following AND Seek God for Gods Understanding of His Own Word, WHICH God gives and feeds TO the mans "new spirit".

Thus the MINDS "understanding" IS MOOT, as a means to figure out Gods Understanding.

It becomes a spiritual relationship, of the mans New spirit, with Gods spirit; Gods teaching, wisdom, understanding Spirit to spirit, for spiritual understanding of Gods own Word.

And the MIND? Still carnal. Still functioning for things man reads with in daily life. Learn this or that, buy this or that, work here, move to here or there, eat this or that, etc.

However there is MORE a man can do (or not), which is; Conform his own MIND thoughts to be "subject TO " the "thoughts" of his new spirit in his new heart (being fed by Christ's Spirit).
Which deals with Keeping the MIND in check WHEN it makes decisions about anything, to Avoid deceit, getting entangled with crooks, creeps, etc....even when it is tempting or enticing...

When a man Can succeed, conforming his own mind thoughts, to his own new spirit thoughts; the man becomes accomplished in having a Mind like Christ.

When a man is learning Gods "precepts" of what a man can "Do" to Glorify Gods Name, and such man DOES those things....the man is accomplishing his spiritual walk in Perfection.

What occurs OFTEN, is a man saying oooh rah, I believe, I'm Christian, I'm saved, I'm born again, and "still hanging on to carnal thoughts to direct their spiritual life"....FAIL!
And doesn't require a microscope to comprehend one who is in that web.

Anyway...no doubt BOL is tightly entangled and glued in the web, and some others meandering around in the web.

BTW enjoying your videos. Spot on. Kudos to your articulate observations and efforts.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Triumph1300]

Another long post!

Let me put on a nice shorty one:

Thousands of people all over the world will celebrate Pesach (Passover) this weekend, commemorating the day the Angel of Death passed over the Israelite slaves in Egypt, sparing their firstborn because the blood of a lamb was applied on their doorposts. Many believers in Jesus also recognize this as the day that Messiah was crucified, offering Himself as the perfect Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, which reconciled man to His Maker, and restored them to close relationship.

 

[Taken]

Another long post!

Uh huh, not to you or for you.
Some people are mature enough to delve beyond the headline.

Let me put on a nice shorty one:

Thousands of people all over the world will celebrate Pesach (Passover) this weekend, commemorating the day the Angel of Death passed over the Israelite slaves in Egypt, sparing their firstborn because the blood of a lamb was applied on their doorposts. Many believers in Jesus also recognize this as the day that Messiah was crucified, offering Himself as the perfect Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, which reconciled man to His Maker, and restored them to close relationship.

What does this have to do with "backsliding", which was your comment and the only thing I asked you, your meaning.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

Thanks for finally sharing.
Totally disagree that is Biblical Teaching.

WHICH part do you "disagree" with?

 

[BreadOfLife]

but God won't keep his promise will he? we have to do more...........
what more can we add to His blood that hasn't already been paid for?

To which "promise" are you referring??

 

[BreadOfLife]

You could put words together at one month? Very cool BOL, but you don't remember confessing and believing? Rom 10:9-10
when do babies start talking - Google Search

Confessing isn't a requirement of Baptism for a child.
As I have educated you guys already on numerous occasions - Baptism replaces circumcision.

St. Paul uses the terms, “circumcision of the heart” and the “circumcision of Christ” (Romans 2:29, Col. 2:12-17) to describe the reality of circumcision being a spiritually inward act, not merely an outward sign. The Old Testament type that was circumcision is now Baptism.

How do YOU as a Protestant reconcile the fact that Peter and Paul baptized ENTIRE households of people based on the faith of the heads of those households (Cornelius, Stephanas, Philippian Jailer)?? A "Household" by definition contains people of ALL ages, including infants.

Just as with circumcision, the baptized infant is raised in the faith of their parents . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Wouldn't you need the indwelling Holy Spirit for that. God bless.

Yup.

 

[BreadOfLife]

YEs this one

Act_11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Means nothing for children unless you believe in a God that would send children to hell when they cant even think for themselves..

Then you need to expound on why it was so important for 8-day-old babies to be circumcised.
Do you have an answer for that - or should I just count on your usual evasion??

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yeah, that's why I don't waste my time having lengthy discussions with him. I say what needs to be said and move on.

No - you make unsubstantiated comments - then you run . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Only consistent thing about BOL is he never changes... and it is no argument more like a one way discussion, He talks and demands we listen, if you dont, well he cant burn us at teh stake that is one concession.

Actually - I've never had an argument or debate with YOU because you always dodge the question, post an irrelevant passage of Scripture - and run.

Having an intelligent conversation with you is equally as impossible as having one with Taken . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

Then you need to expound on why it was so important for 8-day-old babies to be circumcised.
Do you have an answer for that - or should I just count on your usual evasion??

its important why?? it isnt has nothing to do with us nor God as is baby baptism, does nothing for anyone just one of your "traditions", and you are right no one can have a conversation with you, as you need to defend your religion and her lies at any cost, even your own life.

God bless

 

[Triumph1300]

Having an intelligent conversation with you is equally as impossible as having one with Taken . . .

Ah, come on, BOL.
You must admit that he has a nicer picture than your Taken Buddy. ;-)

 

[GodsGrace]

That's because Salvation is a process - not a one-time event (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15, 1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14).

Once you understand what Scripture has to say about it - you shouldn't be confused or frustrated.
Oh, that's right - you never read the Bible as a Catholic . . .




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Salvation is a one time event even in Catholicism.
Sanctification is a process.

Jesus said we must be born from above.
Once we accept baptism and our Lord, the concept is not to lose it with mortal sin.
Protestants have a misunderstanding with what you're saying because it sounds like Catholics are saved, then lost, then saved, then lost. This is not Catholicism.

 

[Dcopymope]

No - you make unsubstantiated comments - then you run . . .

..........I'm right here, I haven't run anywhere. I just don't care about engaging in never ending arguments with the hard headed. Its not my job to persuade you or anyone else of anything.

 

[Triumph1300]

What does this have to do with "backsliding", which was your comment and the only thing I asked you, your meaning.

Once you backslide, strife will enter your life.
It might ring a bell.

 

[Taken]

I already gave you the Scriptural formula for Baptism.
I gave you the Early Church teaching on HOW to baptize.

John 3:5 is not a formula. It's a statement.

I told you that I was born again AT Baptism.

So you claim to BE born again, but not yet saved.
Disagree. Salvation is given, sanctification is accomplished, before the spirit is quickened.

If you want to know if I remember when I was baptized - I don't as I was only about a month old.

Disagree with such method.
You did not call on the Lord, You gave no repentance, gave no confession.

Just as Jewish boys were brought to circumcision by the faith of their parents

Disagree. Forskin circumcision was a token to set men and their sons and their sons sons and so forth apart, as they would be partakers of the blessing of the Covenant God made with their fathers, to their fathers and their sons.

Heart circumcision was about faith, that God performed on His faithful, quickening their spirit.

- I was brought to Baptism by the faith of MY parents.

Disagree. The role of a parents is to raise up their child in the KNOWLEDGE of the Lord, not call on the Lord "FOR" their kids who knows nothing that is going on.
Children Leave your parents, if you haven't learned about Lord, your choice to do so, if you have, your freewill to submit to Him or not.

This

has been the way that Christians have been doing it from the beginning . . .

Disagree. Men pronounce the Baptism, AFTER a man freely submits in heartfelt belief in God, and desire to call on Him in faithfulness.
The Lord does the Baptizing with His Holy Spirit.

 

[Taken]

Once you backslide, strife will enter your life.
It might ring a bell.

You still skirt around defining WHAT backsliding MEANS., ACCORDING to YOU. Why?

 

[Triumph1300]

You know exactly what I was talking about when I mentioned backsliding in a couple of posts earlier.

You are only interested in another fight about Once Saved Always Saved.

You know it, I know it and others know it!

So save your time because I'm not interested in starting another long drawn out discussion about that issue.

(I'm not surprised some Christian Forums do not allow OSAS not to be discussed in their forums.)

You are starting to sound like a broken record.

 

[Heb 13:8]

To which "promise" are you referring??

Eph 1:13-14 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

Gal 3:29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

How do YOU as a Protestant reconcile the fact that Peter and Paul baptized ENTIRE households of people based on the faith of the heads of those households (Cornelius, Stephanas, Philippian Jailer)?? A "Household" by definition contains people of ALL ages, including infants.

Does,you and your household, (Acts 16:31) mean if am saved my family will be too?

Some wish to prove from this text that when the head of a family comes to faith, he can be assured that his whole family will follow him in faith. There is no such promise here. If you read these verses carefully you will see that the offer of salvation by faith in Jesus was offered to the jailer, and to his whole household. The message of salvation was proclaimed to the jailer, and his whole household. The message of salvation was believed by the jailer, and his whole household. And as the jailer professed his faith by being baptized, so did the others in his household. The offer was to the jailer and all of his household. The acceptance of this offer was by the jailer and his whole household, but there is no guarantee that this will always be so.

The words Paul spoke, when rendered literally, would read something like this: “You (singular) believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you (singular) will be saved, you (singular) and your household.” Paul is proclaiming the gospel to the Philippian jailer. He tells him that if he believes in the Lord Jesus Christ as his savior, then he will be saved. This offer is not for him alone, however, but for his whole household as well. If they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, they will be saved as well. The promise is not made that if he, as the head of the household believes, his entire household is saved by his faith.

Notice that in verse 32 Luke records that Paul and Silas preached the “word of the Lord” to him, along with his house. Verse 34 then informs us that the jailer had come to believe, along with his entire household.

The gospel is offered to the jailer, and to his household. The gospel is preached to him, and his household. The gospel is received/believed by the jailer and his entire household.

Note these words in Jeremiah 31: 29 “In those days they will not say again, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, And the children’s teeth are set on edge.’ 30 “But everyone will die for his own iniquity; each man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth will be set on edge. 31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,

Ezekiel 18 is perhaps even more emphatic, separating the destiny of parent and child. A godly parent may have an ungodly (unsaved) child; an ungodly parent may have a believing and faithful child. The destiny of fathers and sons is independently determined.

In 1 Corinthians chapter 7 we are told that the unbelieving mate is “sanctified” by the believing mate (7:14), but note that they are still called an unbeliever. The issue here is not the salvation of one family member due to the faith of another, but the privileged status and blessing that the unbeliever has by living in the household of the believer. God’s blessings spill over on the rest of the family, but this does not include the blessing of salvation. Paul goes on to ask in verse 16, “For how do you know, of wife, whether you will bring your husband to salvation?” Paul is saying that it is best for the believing partner to remain married to the unbeliever, if they are willing for the believer to remain, because there are certain blessings which come upon the unbeliever. He goes on to say that if the unbelieving mate does not wish to remain in that marriage, the believer is to let them go, for how can they assume that they can bring the unbeliever to faith?

All of this is to say that the Bible has a very consistent answer to your question. Every individual is lost because of their sins, and is saved if and when they trust in Jesus Christ for their salvation. This is why our Lord speaks of “hating” one’s father, mother, brothers, and sisters:

26 “If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. 27 “Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple (Luke 14:26-27).

We must love Him, obey Him, and serve Him, above all others, including those closest to us.

Does,you and your household, (Acts 16:31) mean if am saved my family will be too?