Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[Taken]

The Bible says that Christians DO sin and confess those sins (James 5:16).

No.
James 5:16 does not mention Christians.

Try again.

The Bible says that Salvation is a PROCESS (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15, 1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14).

Repeating yourself proves nothing.

Anyone who reads Scripture, Reads about the PROCESS of the disciples, would know, should know, LEARNING ABOUT Christ IS the PROCESS for a man.
The man being GIVEN Salvation is QUICK, ONCE, and the Action of the Lord TO the man.

That notably escapes your ability to comprehend.

Oh, and Acts 2:3-4 says absolutely NOTHING about Salvation being a one-time event.

Scripture does NOT, require YOUR WORDS TO APPEAR, for men to Understand what occurred.

It is about the Holy Spirit descending on the Apostles.

Acts: 2:3....."sat Upon".

Acts: 2:4....."were FILLED".

Once again; You do not comprehend what you read; nor understand; the Holy Spirit ENTERS a man AFTER the man has RECEIVED SALVATION.

Maybe you just have a bad translation . . .

No, not at all. The translation is not faulty, but rather your lack of understanding is faulty.

 

[Taken]

Pentecost was part of the Apostles journey to Salvation.

The "JOURNEY" is the LEARNING.

Receiving SALVATION is not A JOURNEY is not A PROCESS of the man.

The mans "journey", "process", IS LEARNING.

The Lord effects the SAVING; QUICKLY, ONCE, and Forever.

A man WHO receives SALVATION, doesn't wonder IF he is savED.... He KNOWS by what He DID to receive Salvation...

As I have shown from Scripture - ad nauseam - Salvation is a process.

No. What you have CLAIMED ad nauseam; is Salvation is a process...Scripture doesn't.

Scripture reveals escessively and repeatedly MEN have a process of Learning About Christ Jesus.....

BEFORE THEY CONFESS "their" own SURE, ONE TIME heartful confession, BY "their" own freewill, Of "their" own heartfelt belief in the Lord, TO the Lord.

And you have the Lord doing what?
Apparently "WAITING TO SEE", "IF" that man, will CONTINUE belief, change his mind....as you have expressed.

LOL, you are without understanding on so many levels.

 

[Triumph1300]

What do "you" mean by backslides?

Come on, Taken!
You know exactly what I mean.

There's no use getting into it as this has been discussed before.
So, put the lid on the can of worms and continue.....

 

[BreadOfLife]

means nothing, baby got wet. A child is unable to decide for itself, and besides all children belong to God until lat age, which only He knows they have to decide for them selves, no one can do that for them.

And this is as Biblically-bankrupt as saying that circumcision of an 8-day-old baby boy meant nothing . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

No BOL, salvation is a one time event. Sanctification is the process.
At what point after joining this forum does this become embarrassing for you,? The lies.

No - I've already shown about a DOZEN passages that show us Salvation is not a "one time" event - and NOBODY has been able to refute those passages.

Sanctification is the process by which we are made completely holy - which is the process of SALVATION.
Sanctification is God actively saving us.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Asked BOL, the expert teacher on all things Catholic, and everything else.

I have heard of Catholic babies being Christened, whatever that means.

I have asked different Catholics and gotten different answers, of when and how a Catholic becomes "baptized". And "baptized" with what.

God Bless,
Taken

Then go to the source and read about it in the Catechism.
I've already explained to you that a person is baptized with Water and the Holy Spirit - as Jesus prescribed in John 3:5.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I wasn't disagreeing with Scripture.
I was disagreeing with you.

You expressly said, he could NOT do any miracles in Nazareth, BECAUSE of a lack of faith.....which is NOT what Scripture says.

I pointed out the EXCEPTION.
I pointed out Amazed does not mean Because.

And you expressly called me wrong.
Where as it was "your own comment" that was wrong.

No - I pointed out the exception because I am the one who first posted this verse.
No need to lie . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You don't KNOW the difference between...
HAVE NO SIN.....and CAN NOT SIN.

You IGNORANTLY do not know a man who CLAIMS to HAVE NO SIN....

So, enlightend me, Einstein.
Explain the difference between the two . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

No.
James 5:16 does not mention Christians.
Try again.

WRONG.

Who is James writing to? He is writing to CHRISTIANS.
That's why in the same chapter, he tells them call their PRESBYTERS of their church to pray over a sick person (James 5:14).

Learn how to properly divide Scripture . . .

Scripture does NOT, require YOUR WORDS TO APPEAR, for men to Understand what occurred.

No - but YOU need to provide evidence from Scripture for your false claims . . .

Acts: 2:3....."sat Upon".
Acts: 2:4....."were FILLED".
Once again; You do not comprehend what you read; nor understand; the Holy Spirit ENTERS a man AFTER the man has RECEIVED SALVATION.

Uh huhh - and I gave you about a DOZEN passages about born again Christians going back into sin and LOSING their secure place.

You have YET to refute a single verse . . .

No, not at all. The translation is not faulty, but rather your lack of understanding is faulty.

I was just giving you a way out because of your perversion of Acts 2:3-4 . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

The "JOURNEY" is the LEARNING.
Receiving SALVATION is not A JOURNEY is not A PROCESS of the man.
The mans "journey", "process", IS LEARNING.
The Lord effects the SAVING; QUICKLY, ONCE, and Forever.
A man WHO receives SALVATION, doesn't wonder IF he is savED.... He KNOWS by what He DID to receive Salvation...No. What you have CLAIMED ad nauseam; is Salvation is a process...Scripture doesn't.

Scripture reveals escessively and repeatedly MEN have a process of Learning About Christ Jesus.....

BEFORE THEY CONFESS "their" own SURE, ONE TIME heartful confession, BY "their" own freewill, Of "their" own heartfelt belief in the Lord, TO the Lord.

And you have the Lord doing what?
Apparently "WAITING TO SEE", "IF" that man, will CONTINUE belief, change his mind....as you have expressed.

LOL, you are without understanding on so many levels.

Wrong again.

Christian life is a journey of enlightenment (learning) about God. It is a journey towards perfect holiness and salvation.
Our journey doesn't end during our lifetime.

As for your second comment in RED - I thought you said that we can't do ANYTHING to receive Salvation . . .
Care to explain??

 

[Taken]

Come on, Taken!
You know exactly what I mean.

There's no use getting into it as this has been discussed before.
So, put the lid on the can of worms and continue.....

LOL, funny.

The thing about discussing Scripture and Spiritual things and Biblical things....

Especially with a stanger; is the lazy undefined terms people use, and PRESUME everyone should know EXACTLY what the speakers THOUGHTS are.

I don't know you.
I don't know what YOU THINK BACKSLIDE means to you.

No need to get testy. A simple refusal to identify what that means to you would have sufficed.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Then go to the source and read about it in the Catechism.

Typical, when you can not EXPLAIN what you supposedly did or didn't do.

[/QUOTE]I've already explained to you that a person is baptized with Water and the Holy Spirit - as Jesus prescribed in John 3:5.[/QUOTE]

No you didn't explain.
Baptized with water...how according to Catholics?
In a pool of water?
Totally emerged?
Dribbling water on ones head?
How old were you?
Were YOU baptized with this water, After YOU
Called on the Lord in heartfelt belief?
Did someone else declare belief FOR YOU?
And the Holy Spirit..
Did you receive the holy spirit, at the time your were "baptized" with water?

Sort of silly, you have to be ASKED questions, because you do not know what EXPLAIN means.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Typical, when you can not EXPLAIN what you supposedly did or didn't do.

I've already explained to you that a person is baptized with Water and the Holy Spirit - as Jesus prescribed in John 3:5.

No you didn't explain.
Baptized with water...how according to Catholics?
In a pool of water?
Totally emerged?
Dribbling water on ones head?
How old were you?
Were YOU baptized with this water, After YOU
Called on the Lord in heartfelt belief?
Did someone else declare belief FOR YOU?
And the Holy Spirit..
Did you receive the holy spirit, at the time your were "baptized" with water?
Sort of silly, you have to be ASKED questions, because you do not know what EXPLAIN means.
Catholics, like the Christians during the time of the apostles believe in Baptism by WATER.

Total immersion or pouring were BOTH acceptable. We read this int he 1st century document, The Didache (Teachings of the Twelve Apostles).

Didache, chapter 12:
And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, (Matt. 28:19) in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit.

The Bible never speaks of HOW a Baptism is performed. Not ONCE do we read about total immersion OR pouring.

 

[Taken]

Wrong again.

Christian life is a journey of enlightenment (learning) about God.

LOL...you call me wrong then repeat what I just said....dunce!

As for your second comment in RED - I thought you said that we can't do ANYTHING to receive Salvation . . .
Care to explain??

Nope. Can not explain what I did not say!

 

[Taken]

I've already explained to you that a person is baptized with Water and the Holy Spirit - as Jesus prescribed in John 3:5.

No you didn't explain.
Baptized with water...how according to Catholics?
In a pool of water?
Totally emerged?
Dribbling water on ones head?
How old were you?
Were YOU baptized with this water, After YOU
Called on the Lord in heartfelt belief?
Did someone else declare belief FOR YOU?
And the Holy Spirit..
Did you receive the holy spirit, at the time your were "baptized" with water?
Sort of silly, you have to be ASKED questions, because you do not know what EXPLAIN means.[/QUOTE]
Catholics, like the Christians during the time of the apostles believe in Baptism by WATER.
Total immersion or pouring were BOTH acceptable. We read this int he 1st century document, The Didache (Teachings of the Twelve Apostles).

Didache, chapter 12:
And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, (Matt. 28:19) in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit.

The Bible never speaks of HOW a Baptism is performed. Not ONCE do we read about total immersion OR pouring.[/QUOTE]

I didn't ask you what the Bible says.
Why are you so recluctant to explain how YOU claim YOU, Confessed, were baptized, Your AGE, YOUR RECEIVING of the Holy Spirit....
Embarrassed, that you don't know?

 

[Triumph1300]

I don't know what YOU THINK BACKSLIDE means to you.

The Once saved Always Saved Issue has been discussed on this forum at great length and I have no desire to get into THAT again, Taken.
So, I feel sorry for you that you cannot AGAIN open that can of worms.

(And when you scroll back you can read about it again if you like.)

 

[bbyrd009]

might be better to get hip to the fact that "baptizing ppl in the Jordan" in a Theocracy is actually tantamount to sedition, that makes what Kaepernick did like = a respectful abstention lol

 

[mjrhealth]

And this is as Biblically-bankrupt as saying that circumcision of an 8-day-old baby boy meant nothing . . .

did to teh JEws means nothing to teh gentiles.

 

[BreadOfLife]

did to teh JEws means nothing to teh gentiles.

WRONG.

Paul uses the terms, “circumcision of the heart” and the “circumcision of Christ” (Rom. 2:29, Col. 2:12-17) to describe the reality of circumcision being a spiritually inward act, not merely an outward sign. The Old Testament type that was circumcision is now Baptism.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No you didn't explain.
Baptized with water...how according to Catholics?
In a pool of water?
Totally emerged?
Dribbling water on ones head?
How old were you?
Were YOU baptized with this water, After YOU
Called on the Lord in heartfelt belief?
Did someone else declare belief FOR YOU?
And the Holy Spirit..
Did you receive the holy spirit, at the time your were "baptized" with water?
Sort of silly, you have to be ASKED questions, because you do not know what EXPLAIN means.
Catholics, like the Christians during the time of the apostles believe in Baptism by WATER.

I didn't ask you what the Bible says.
Why are you so recluctant to explain how YOU claim YOU, Confessed, were baptized, Your AGE, YOUR RECEIVING of the Holy Spirit....
Embarrassed, that you don't know?

I already gave you the Scriptural formula for Baptism.
I gave you the Early Church teaching on HOW to baptize.
I told you that I was born again AT Baptism.

If you want to know if I remember when I was baptized - I don't as I was only about a month old.
Just as Jewish boys were brought to circumcision by the faith of their parents - I was brought to Baptism by the faith of MY parents.

This has been the way that Christians have been doing it from the beginning . . .

Irenaeus
"He [Jesus] came to save all through himself; all, I say, who through him are reborn in God: INFANTS, and children, and youths, and old men. Therefore he passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, sanctifying infants; a child for children, sanctifying those who are of that age . . . [so that] he might be the perfect teacher in all things, perfect not only in respect to the setting forth of truth, perfect also in respect to relative age" (Against Heresies 2:22:4 [A.D. 189]).

Hippolytus
"Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them" (The Apostolic Tradition 21:16 [A.D. 215]).

Origen
"Every soul that is born into flesh is soiled by the filth of wickedness and sin. . . . In the Church, baptism is given for the remission of sins, and, according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to INFANTS. If there were nothing in infants which required the remission of sins and nothing in them pertinent to forgiveness, the grace of baptism would seem superfluous" (Homilies on Leviticus 8:3 [A.D. 248]).

"The Church received from the apostles the tradition of giving baptism even to INFANTS. The apostles, to whom were committed the secrets of the divine sacraments, knew there are in everyone innate strains of [original] sin, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit" (Commentaries on Romans 5:9 [A.D. 248]).

Cyprian of Carthage
"As to what pertains to the case of infants: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one should be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day after his birth. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born" (Letters 64:2 [A.D. 253]).

Gregory of Nazianz
"Do you have an INFANT child? Allow sin no opportunity; rather, let the INFANT be sanctified from childhood. From his most tender age let him be consecrated by the Spirit. Do you fear the seal [of baptism] because of the weakness of nature? Oh, what a pusillanimous mother and of how little faith!" (Oration on Holy Baptism 40:7 [A.D. 388]).

John Chrysostom
"You see how many are the benefits of baptism, and some think its heavenly grace consists only in the remission of sins, but we have enumerated ten honors [it bestows]! For this reason we baptize even INFANTS, though they are not defiled by [personal] sins, so that there may be given to them holiness, righteousness, adoption, inheritance, brotherhood with Christ, and that they may be his [Christ’s] members" (Baptismal Catecheses in Augustine, Against Julian 1:6:21 [A.D. 388]).

Augustine
"What the universal Church holds, not as instituted [invented] by councils but as something always held, is most correctly believed to have been handed down by apostolic authority. Since others respond for children, so that the celebration of the sacrament may be complete for them, it is certainly availing to them for their consecration, because they themselves are not able to respond" (On Baptism, Against the Donatists 4:24:31 [A.D. 400]).

"The custom of Mother Church in baptizing INFANTS is certainly not to be scorned, nor is it to be regarded in any way as superfluous, nor is it to be believed that its tradition is anything except apostolic" (The Literal Interpretation of Genesis 10:23:39 [A.D. 408]).