Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[Triumph1300]

Well....in my book a born again Christian is saved unless he/she backslides.
So, at least we agree that Once Saved Always Saved is a false doctrine.

 

[Helen]

 

[Heb 13:8]

And you can argue until you're blue in the face - but your point is LOST if you think that everybody will be saved.
This is the heresy of Universalism - and it's anti-Biblical . . .

I agree, not everyone will be saved, only those who believe. Do you believe, BOL? John 3:16, Rom 10:9-10.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well....in my book a born again Christian is saved unless he/she backslides.
So, at least we agree that Once Saved Always Saved is a false doctrine.

Agreed - and EVERYBODY backslides unless they die right after they are born again . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I agree, not everyone will be saved, only those who believe. Do you believe, BOL? John 3:16, Rom 10:9-10.

I absolutely believe.
However, as Paul said:
1 Cor. 4:4
For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me.

 

[Taken]

And again - as I have had to school

Seems you have failed to notice, you are NOT Thee Teacher and definitely NOT my teacher.

- salvation is a process,

Learning is a process...

Jesus chose His Students, and Taught them.
Others joined in to also be Jesus' students.
You should try that, instead of pretending you are the teacher.

After LEARNING...

The Students became saved and born again.
Acts 2:3-4

not a one-time event

According to Scripture, yep a one-time event!

Acts 2: 3-4

I and others have also had to educate you on the fact that no matter HOW much you think you don't sin

Blurting out what you do not understand, is not educating. LOL

- the Bible says differently (1 John 1:8).

Your problem is You are desperately trying to accuse me of SINNING.

While being completely ignorant of the fact,
1 John 1:8 is NOT about SINNING. Duh!!

YOUR problem is

I don't have a problem.

that you are at ODDS with the Word of God -

False.
Your endless problem is ignorance.

It's elementary....you do not know the differences of;

Being naturally born in sin,
....^ all men born of man corrupt SPERM

Have no sin,
....^ people who do not believe sin exists

Committing sin,
...^ all people who are against God

Being forgiven of sin,
...^ all people who have heartfully called on the Lord

Being spiritually born without sin,
...^ all saved men who are born again with Gods indwelling seed.

Can sin no more,
...^ All saved and born again men with Gods indwelling Power, redeemed from the curses of sin.

Can not sin.
...^ All saved and born again men with Gods indwelling Power, and Forever with the Lord.

You are without understanding, thus every time you see the word sin......you wag your tongue and point your figure AS IF, you are some pseudo expert teacher. Newsflash, you are not.

Saved and born again men HAVE a Teacher, and His Name Is JESUS....so stop trying to replace Him with your nonsense.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Seems you have failed to notice, you are NOT Thee Teacher and definitely NOT my teacher.
Learning is a process...
Jesus chose His Students, and Taught them.
Others joined in to also be Jesus' students.
You should try that, instead of pretending you are the teacher.
After LEARNING...
The Students became saved and born again.
Acts 2:3-4
According to Scripture, yep a one-time event!
Acts 2: 3-4
Blurting out what you do not understand, is not educating. LOL
Your problem is You are desperately trying to accuse me of SINNING.
While being completely ignorant of the fact,
1 John 1:8 is NOT about SINNING. Duh!!
I don't hve a problem.
False.
Your endless problem is ignorance.
It's elementary....you do not know the differences of;
Being naturally born in sin,
....^ all men born of man corrupt SPERM
Have no sin,
....^ people who do not believe sin exists
Committing sin,
...^ all people who are against God
Being forgiven of sin,
...^ all people who have heartfully called on the Lord
Being spiritually born without sin,
...^ all saved men who are born again with Gods indwelling seed.
Can sin no more,
...^ All saved and born again men with Gods indwelling Power, redeemed from the curses of sin.
Can not sin.
...^ All saved and born again men with Gods indwelling Power, and Forever with the Lord.
You are without understanding, thus every time you see the word sin......you wag your tongue and point your figure AS IF, you are some pseudo expert teacher. Newsflash, you are not.
Saved and born again men HAVE a Teacher, and His Name Is JESUS....so stop trying to replace Him with your nonsense.

And your beliefs are counterfeit because the Bible teaches just the opposite is true.

I know you arrogantly think you don't sin - but Scripture says you DO (1 John 1:8).

The Bible says that we CAN fall away and be forever LOST (Matt. 5:13, Matt. 7:21, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Peter 3:17, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

The Bible says that Christians DO sin and confess those sins (James 5:16).

The Bible says that Salvation is a PROCESS (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15, 1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14).

Oh, and Acts 2:3-4 says absolutely NOTHING about Salvation being a one-time event.
It is about the Holy Spirit descending on the Apostles.

Maybe you just have a bad translation . . .

 

[Heb 13:8]

I absolutely believe.
However, as Paul said:
1 Cor. 4:4
For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me.

Is the Bema seat waiting for you or the Great White Throne? What are you believing in Bread?

1 Cor. 4:4 For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me.

2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Oh, and Acts 2:3-4 says absolutely NOTHING about Salvation being a one-time event. It is about the Holy Spirit descending on the Apostles.

The apostles weren't saved at Pentecost?
That was the conception of the church BOL.
The indwelling Holy Spirit taking residence in you is a one time event.

 

[Triumph1300]

and EVERYBODY backslides unless they die right after they are born again . . .

Is there a time limit, Bol?
Like... how much time do we have......4 minutes......1 hour.....couple of days.....or maybe a week?

 

[BreadOfLife]

The apostles weren't saved at Pentecost?
That was the conception of the church BOL.
The indwelling Holy Spirit taking residence in you is a one time event.

Pentecost was part of the Apostles journey to Salvation.
As I have shown from Scripture - ad nauseam - Salvation is a process.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Is there a time limit, Bol?
Like... how much time do we have......4 minutes......1 hour.....couple of days.....or maybe a week?

Baptism is when we are born again (John 3:5).
We can fall from grace at ANY time - based on our own will.

 

[mjrhealth]

It means the person is born again in Christ.

means nothing, baby got wet. A child is unable to decide for itself, and besides all children belong to God until lat age, which only He knows they have to decide for them selves, no one can do that for them.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Pentecost was part of the Apostles journey to Salvation.
As I have shown from Scripture - ad nauseam - Salvation is a process.

No BOL, salvation is a one time event. Sanctification is the process.

At what point after joining this forum does this become embarrassing for you,? The lies.

 

[pia]

unless and until God shows me otherwise.

I so love that you have these very balanced views, having been a believer as long as you have...Truly, there are a few on this forum, that have surprised me a whole lot, as to how far they have come with the Lord, and it fills me with joy every time....But there are some who I actually do have a bit of concern about...Like you I have things I have chosen to believe upon hearing it and things which He has straightened out for me, so I can say I do know a couple of things for sure..Like you I hold fairly lightly onto the things I have had no confirmation of. But some of the people here are like 'set' in stone, because of something they choose to believe, confirmation or not.....:)

 

[Taken]

Better stick to the KJV.
I don't trust these so
called "Student Bibles".

Catholics reject the KJV as an official source.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

It means the baby is saved.

Asked BOL, the expert teacher on all things Catholic, and everything else.

I have heard of Catholic babies being Christened, whatever that means.

I have asked different Catholics and gotten different answers, of when and how a Catholic becomes "baptized". And "baptized" with what.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Actually - I siply quoted the Word of God on the matter . . .
Mark 6:5-6
He COULD NOT do any miracles there, EXCEPT lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them.
He was AMAZED at their lack of faith. Then Jesus went around teaching from village to village.

I wasn't disagreeing with Scripture.
I was disagreeing with you.

You expressly said, he could NOT do any miracles in Nazareth, BECAUSE of a lack of faith.....which is NOT what Scripture says.

I pointed out the EXCEPTION.
I pointed out Amazed does not mean Because.

And you expressly called me wrong.
Where as it was "your own comment" that was wrong.

 

[Taken]

Well....in my book a born again Christian is saved unless he/she backslides.
So, at least we agree that Once Saved Always Saved is a false doctrine.

What do "you" mean by backslides?

And are "you" saying "the consequence" for a "backslide", is to "forfeit" and "lose" the salvation one has already received?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

And your beliefs are counterfeit....

This is YOUR accusation;
Now lets' examine WHAT you base YOUR accusation on...

I know you arrogantly

Oh, yet another of YOUR accusations;

think

you don't sin

More accurately I have stated;
I sin no more.
I can not commit sin.
I can not sin.

but Scripture says you DO (1 John 1:8).

Now the basis for your accusations....

"YOUR comment"...Scripture says "I do"...sin.

Then you give...1 John 1:8 as a supposed verification of "YOUR comment".

1 John 1:8
IF" we say we HAVE, no sin...

Scripture IS VERY CLEAR....

QUOTE ME, making that "IF" true.

Since you simply making an ACCUSATION, without verification is MOOT.

You don't KNOW the difference between...
HAVE NO SIN.....and CAN NOT SIN.

You IGNORANTLY do not know a man who CLAIMS to HAVE NO SIN....

Does NOT claim to be BORN IN SIN.
Does NOT ask to be FORGIVEN OF SIN.

So, know-it-all....

Why have you CONVENIENTLY not quoted
ME MAKING that claim YOU ignorantly ACCUSE me of?

And DO EXPLAIN HOW A MAN naturally BORN IN SIN, is CLAIMING TO HAVE NO SIN?

And DO EXPLAIN HOW A MAN naturally BORN IN SIN, who asks for FORGIVENESS OF his SIN, is CLAIMING TO HAVE NO SIN?