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Taken

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well that's cool, i am comforted just knowing that as my neighbor you are seeking any understanding of God, even if yours currently holds that you will be "taken" from earth at some point by Jesus, coming to save you again or whatever.

It's not another saving.
It is a Redemption....

The Lord is coming to REDEEM what has ALREADY been made His.

i'd keep an open mind there, ok.

Nah. You know what they say about open minds? Careful that your brains don't fall out....lol

Ezekiel's "soft landings" and "pillows" sure seem applicable to me there!

Okie dokie.

the Lord gave some other guys "strong delusions" too, see.

Yep. It's all in what the one desires.
Don't want to believe...Want to believe...
The Lord is Faithful, to give what one desires.
:)

Imo we all operate with a mix of both

Well, I would say, we are all naturally born without spiritual knowledge, belief, wisdom or understanding......and the Journey.....is by our own choosing to REMAIN that WAY...or become changed to be WITH spiritual knowledge, belief, wisdom and understanding.

God Bless,
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My but you like the sound of your own voice. You related to Taken?
You should write a book...

GodsGrace:
I have to hand it to you, 2 out of 2...excellent and somehow very perceptive
Yes, I'm writing a book, in fact, a couple at a very slow pace.
Secondly, I may/most probably am related to 'Taken' as I have a very strong sense he is also a child of God...and we love our Lord and Savior very much.

Bless you

APAK
 
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GodsGrace:
I have to hand it to you, 2 out of 2...excellent and somehow very perceptive
Yes, I'm writing a book, in fact, a couple at a very slow pace.
Secondly, I may/most probably am related to 'Taken' as I have a very strong sense he is also a child of God...and we love our Lord and Savior very much.

Bless you

APAK

Awesome to know who your brethren are that their voice is pleasant to ones ears.

Curious...what is your subject you are writing about?

God Bless,
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Awesome to know who your brethren are that their voice is pleasant to ones ears.

Curious...what is your subject you are writing about?

God Bless,
Taken
Well, one is a genealogical book..based on my families and spouses background....about 50 percent of a 1st draft completed
The other is an auto-biography again.. about the same depth in..
I have plans to write another future book/handbook that examines how scripture (and its many changes, editions and deletion and modifications) has impacted the beliefs of religious organizations over the centuries and even personal beliefs, biased toward my own personal belief system as a true believer....

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Well, one is a genealogical book..based on my families and spouses background....about 50 percent of a 1st draft completed
The other is an auto-biography again.. about the same depth in..
I have plans to write another future book/handbook that examines how scripture (and its many changes, editions and deletion and modifications) has impacted the beliefs of religious organizations over the centuries and even personal beliefs, biased toward my own personal belief system as a true believer....

APAK

Very cool!
I compiled two similar, still manuscripts, not bound or published books.

One was like you, Genealogy. Did several in that respect, to particular last names of family members. I had very good success in locating many antique photos and letters and diaries and certificates of family members to put with the names. Obviously you know, very time consuming, but rewarding and enjoyable.

One was the history forward to present day, of the School District I attended K-12. That was a lot of fun for me.

Your current working on planning....oh yikes...that is a huge project!! Just planning the plan....wow! Best Wishes as your time permits for your endeavors!!

Thanks for sharing, :)

God Bless,
Taken
 

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Obviously.

No one is stopping you from proclaiming, the False ideas that the Lords Works is subject to a mans whims.

Your works are obvious for anyone to observe.

God Bless,
Taken
And I'm not "stopping" you from proclaiming heresy.
I'm simply saying that I will expose that which is heresy for those who are here seeking the truth.
 

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Very cool!
I compiled two similar, still manuscripts, not bound or published books.

One was like you, Genealogy. Did several in that respect, to particular last names of family members. I had very good success in locating many antique photos and letters and diaries and certificates of family members to put with the names. Obviously you know, very time consuming, but rewarding and enjoyable.

One was the history forward to present day, of the School District I attended K-12. That was a lot of fun for me.

Your current working on planning....oh yikes...that is a huge project!! Just planning the plan....wow! Best Wishes as your time permits for your endeavors!!

Thanks for sharing, :)

God Bless,
Taken
I do have a lot more time on my hands these days.....the mental planning of that book has been several years in the making. Been making many snippets and notes over the years. It is meant to show clearly my beliefs....I've experienced many religious organizations in my life including the mother of 'the mass' religion. I just did not just wake up one morning and decided to do this kind of book..I've been biased to it since I was in my 30s..just priorities of having a family and work delayed it into the future...I needed to get more experience anyway...

Taken...I gave my life to my Lord and God Almighty when I was 19 years old....it was a changing (mental and spiritual) experience for me. I've never looked back...I have always had faith in God even when I doubted my own worth at times. Even when I fell a few times...Our Father disciplined me, dusted me off and kept loving me....I can feel the spirit of God speaking to me now..not usually in words...heartfelt electrifying movements that generate love and a few tears.. praise the Lord!

Thanks for asking brother,

APAK

It won't take long to spill it on paper.
 
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Helen

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Well , slap me sideways. :p
@bbyrd009 I have only just "got it"..as I have caught up on the pages here I can see what you mean now Mark, when you say that we live under the law.
But as I read it seems to me you have lumped God law and man's law together.
Yes I live "under" the law..because the local law here is that we have 24 hours to clear our sidewalks of snow and ice, if we don't we can be fined $250.
My poor husband was out there all day doing just that...because the snow did not stop and we live on a corner with a big lot, so he has about 60 ft to keep clear.
So yes we live under and honour mans law. And by and in God's law of love, we live by and honour God's law. But I do not have to 'keep' God law in a legalistic way...it is a love choice.

But, now I get-you...when you say that we all live under the law..you mean of the land...right?
 

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Rollo, when one starts to believe what Jesus did at the cross means nothing to him/she anymore, that person is going to be toast.
Regardless of how much he/she believed before. That's how it is.

And no true born again believer is going to doubt their salvation if they keep their eyes on Jesus.

YOUR "jumbo mumbo" makes no sense.
 

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First of all - Mark 6:13 says that the TWELVE drove out demons and healed the sick.
Show me a verse that says they ALL did - except for Judas.

Secondly, Luke 22:3 tells us that there was a point AFTER the twelve went off to cast out demons and heal the sick - that the Devil entered into Judas. Remember - the Gospel of John is NOT one of the Synoptic Gospels and does NOT follow the same order as the other three.

Judas was not ALWAYS a devil.

First of all, (Mark 6:13) says no such thing. It says, "And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them." (Mark 6:7) states that Jesus "...called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits;"

There is no verse that says Judas cast out any demons or even healed any sick. The disciples on the whole did. And whomever Judas was paired up with would have been the spiritual power from whom any demons were cast out.

But, for the sake of argument, even if Judas did, he was still a devil. He only was able to do it do because Jesus had given them the power to do it. Not because he was saved. Who raised Samuel? God or the witch of En-dor? (1 Sam. 28:7-25)

Well, you would be hard pressed to find an exact order with any of the Gospels, including the man-made term of 'synoptic gospels'. And (John 6:70) where Jesus said 'one of you is a devil' occurred long before the last passover of (Luke 22:3) where the devil entered Judas completely.

Jesus said Judas is a devil, not will become a devil. He is not a picture of one who was saved and then lost his salvation.

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All comes down to,

Mat 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

it has all become about Gods ability so save man, and teh truth is few believe He can, hence this discussion, It is now all about us and not all about Him, a place the devil loves us to remain.
 
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Helen

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it has all become about Gods ability so save man, and teh truth is few believe He can, hence this discussion, It is now all about us and not all about Him, a place the devil loves us to remain.

Yes indeed a good reminder.
It is amazing just how much is all about "us"...my old dad would often come out of church grumbling that he counted the songs and he'd tell us how many songs were about us, and how many were really about God.

Now that does make us wonder just who is being worshiped here!!:eek:
 

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First of all, (Mark 6:13) says no such thing. It says, "And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them." (Mark 6:7) states that Jesus "...called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits;"

There is no verse that says Judas cast out any demons or even healed any sick. The disciples on the whole did. And whomever Judas was paired up with would have been the spiritual power from whom any demons were cast out.

But, for the sake of argument, even if Judas did, he was still a devil. He only was able to do it do because Jesus had given them the power to do it. Not because he was saved. Who raised Samuel? God or the witch of En-dor? (1 Sam. 28:7-25)

Well, you would be hard pressed to find an exact order with any of the Gospels, including the man-made term of 'synoptic gospels'. And (John 6:70) where Jesus said 'one of you is a devil' occurred long before the last passover of (Luke 22:3) where the devil entered Judas completely.

Jesus said Judas is a devil, not will become a devil. He is not a picture of one who was saved and then lost his salvation.

Stranger
Time for a Bible lesson . . .

The Gospel of John is NOT one of the synoptic Gospels. The other three have a similar order - but not John's.
This is Bible Scholarship 101. There are SEVERAL clues that it is not a chronological Gospel, including his meeting with Nicodemus in Chapter 3.

Secondly - there is NO evidence that Judas was a "devil" when he was chosen by Jesus. Jesus is GOD and could see what Judas was going to do.

Thirdly - if you cannot produce a verse or even a line from Church history that says Judas didn't heal the sick or cast out demons - you LOSE because the Scriptures say that he one one of the Twelve who DID do these things.

Finally - your insistence that Judas, a "devil" cast out demons is similar to the blasphemy that the Pharisees were guilty of when they accused Jesus of doing miracles by the power of Satan (Matt. 12:24).

Good luck
with that . . .
 

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Time for a Bible lesson . . .

The Gospel of John is NOT one of the synoptic Gospels. The other three have a similar order - but not John's.
This is Bible Scholarship 101. There are SEVERAL clues that it is not a chronological Gospel, including his meeting with Nicodemus in Chapter 3.

Secondly - there is NO evidence that Judas was a "devil" when he was chosen by Jesus. Jesus is GOD and could see what Judas was going to do.

Thirdly - if you cannot produce a verse or even a line from Church history that says Judas didn't heal the sick or cast out demons - you LOSE because the Scriptures say that he one one of the Twelve who DID do these things.

Finally - your insistence that Judas, a "devil" cast out demons is similar to the blasphemy that the Pharisees were guilty of when they accused Jesus of doing miracles by the power of Satan (Matt. 12:24).

Good luck
with that . . .

The 'synoptic Gospels' don't always agree with the order of events either. (John 6:70) occurs at the moment of Peter's confession of faith. It is a separate incident not to be identified with satan's possession of Judas in (Luke 22:3). This is only recorded by John and this is the time in which it was said. See the other Gospels for the time of the confession of Peter.

Jesus said in (John 6:70), "...Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?" Jesus knew who Judas was when He chose him. He called him a devil. That is good enough for me.

There is no Scripture that says Judas cast out any demons or that he healed the sick. The twelve as a group did. The disciples as they went out two by two did.

But, as I said, even if he did, it was only the authority and power of Jesus that did it. (Mark 6:7) Your reference to (Matt. 12:24) doesn't work here because it is the power of Jesus casting out. Not Satan. Please answer my question concerning (1 Samuel 28:7-25). Who raised Samuel from the dead? God or the witch of En-dor?

My point being Judas is no example of one losing his salvation because he never was saved. He was a devil from the beginning.

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I do have a lot more time on my hands these days.....the mental planning of that book has been several years in the making. Been making many snippets and notes over the years. It is meant to show clearly my beliefs....I've experienced many religious organizations in my life including the mother of 'the mass' religion. I just did not just wake up one morning and decided to do this kind of book..I've been biased to it since I was in my 30s..just priorities of having a family and work delayed it into the future...I needed to get more experience anyway...

Taken...I gave my life to my Lord and God Almighty when I was 19 years old....it was a changing (mental and spiritual) experience for me. I've never looked back...I have always had faith in God even when I doubted my own worth at times. Even when I fell a few times...Our Father disciplined me, dusted me off and kept loving me....I can feel the spirit of God speaking to me now..not usually in words...heartfelt electrifying movements that generate love and a few tears.. praise the Lord!

Thanks for asking brother,

APAK

It won't take long to spill it on paper.

I use to have more time on my hands; until a few months ago a stray dog adopted us! A sweet dog, gets plenty of food, water, playtime, petting, massaging, comfy place for his naps...but started this sit and look at you whine several times a day. Finally figured it out. Hugs! Lol. Not so much us to him, but him to us. Lol. He is like 50lbs, and wants to be lap dog and hug! Interesting and heavy!!

Anyway, AWESOME; your background and intent. Thanks for sharing. I know what you mean about the ideas and thoughts and snippet notes being gathered over a period of time and getting close to writing. Exciting!

Many blessing to you and yours,
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There is no Scripture that says Judas cast out any demons or that he healed the sick. The twelve as a group did. The disciples as they went out two by two did.


Stranger

Disagree somewhat.

Mark 6: 1-6
Jesus had just gone to his own county, where some were astonished at His preaching, and some offended. And He healed a "few", called "not a mighty work".
And Jesus marveled at their disbelief.

Mark 6:7
Jesus calls His own 12 disciples, and sends them forth, two by two.

Jesus gave them Power, to; ?
Cast out unclean spirits.

This is the same Jesus was doing in Mark 1-6, for a few that became "healed" in the flesh ailments.

Mark 16:16
He that believe the "AND" is baptized shall be "SAVED":
But he that believeth NOT, shall be damned.

The 12 sent out were ALL Believing, BUT NOT YET SAVED.
They were ALL acting to cast out "unclean" spirits (physical aliments), BY the POWER of Jesus' NAME, to effect the "casting out".

The Lord can give POWER to whom, he desires.
There is always an interim, concerning BELIEF; meaning People begin BELIEVING, while they are Learning About the Lord.

They are Being "enlightened", by the Power of the Lord...yet NOT SAVED. That "enlightenment", is accompanied with gifts of Faith, and Power from the Lord (ie enLIGHTenment), His Light, His Power, because of a man GAINING Knowledge of ...
HIS WORD, which is always a good thing, when it is given and received of a man.

Still it is NOT SAVING. It is a beginning, that can LEAD to SAVING, a preparation of sorts, necessary, BECAUSE a man must make "his own" VOW to God, to Become SAVED, thus must first learn and know, WHAT entails making a VOW TO GOD, in accepting the gift of Salvation.

It is in this INTERIM period, that a man wonders, challenges, believes, doubts, denies, believes; IOW, the man himself,
Has this opportunity, to stick with following, or walk away.

Walk away...stay away...Faith, from God falls away. Enlightenment, (power "FROM" God), falls away. This "UNSAVED" man has fallen from Faith.

Stick with following....stay following...Faith grows, Enlightenment grows, the Decision of the man to make a VOW TO GOD, increases, and the day arrives, the Man MAKES His VOW to God; EVERYTHING for "that" man instantly changes. He becomes Forgiven, Saved, Born Again...etc. and all that goes along..with that QUICK ONE TIME event; THAT IS Forever Lasting.

Jesus is the Son of man, the Word of God, in the flesh.
Christ is the Power of God.

Mankind was introduced to Jesus, in the likeness as a man, (without His "reputation") Philippians 2
And "some" men learned, as His Power (reputation), began being revealed, that He was the Christ, the Power of God.

Many say as they have read "Jesus Christ", but I doubt few understand; How or Who or Why Jesus was the Son of man; and the revelation that Jesus IS the Christ, being a revelation given men of God, (not via written words in a book, (as if that is Jesus' last name).

Anyway, back to the Point.
Judas was believing, and given Power from Jesus, to cast out unclean spirits...
The same as the other 11 believing disciples.

All were in the INTERIM...following, learning, being enLIGHTened, receiving Faith, believing.....

Yet NONE had committed a VOW of Belief.

Judas, QUIT, believing, QUIT following, QUIT trusting. He fell away from receiving Enlightenment, receiving faith.

He separated himself from Jesus and the other 11 disciples. He recognized his own falling, and shame, and took it upon himself to decide what to do about it...and hung himself.

Point being, TRUE, he did not Become Saved.

And a lesson; He chose his own Permanent Solution (suicide) to a Temporary problem, (fallen away.)

As long as a man is still living, NOTHING is so great a problem, that the Lord WILL NOT accept a mans VOW unto Him, and Give forgiveness and the gift of Salvation.

Judas, should have learned that, but decided instead his thoughts and ideas and belief, trumped the Truth of Jesus, and;


Mark 16:16
...but he that believeth NOT, shall be damned.

God Bless,
Taken