On the pre-existence of Jesus

[christgal33]

I think Jesus's disciples believe He exists as God before He was born. The book of John states, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." This proves that John believes Jesus is God before He came into the world as Jesus.

 

[chandlere880]

hello, this helps me to understand who Jesus was and may I please ask you all a question ?

in John 8:42 - Jesus says three things here, about his identity.


i come - ex / out - - from the God
i come not for from / of - off - myself
i come neither myself - - i sent

Jesus did not send - himself
Jesus did not come of or off - himself
Jesus came out of - God

in final thought, we can remember Jesus was not made, created, born in the likeness or similitude of Melchizedek, in that Melchizedek is more thought of as Yahweh / The Father who visited Abraham

The Father who visited Abraham multiple times, who walked on the earth as a man and then vanished from the face of the earth - never to be seen again.

in the Lord who visited Abraham concerning Sodom and Gomorrah and also the visitation of Melchizedek -

these manifestations of Yahweh / The Father would never be called the Son OF God - simply because these manifestations of God appearing as a man , these manifestations - they were never born into the word as children and conceived as children - a child {{ Son Or Daughter - baby

Therefore Lord who visited Abraham
and
Melchizedek also - they could never be said to be sons of anyone ,just as angels are never called sons, there is not a redemption plan for Angels to be " born again " they were never even born.

can we truly say? if we are not a son or daughter of man - we are not son or daughter of God

we notice that we must be born again - and we notice that there is no redemption plan for Angels and Demons who have rebelled

but with Jesus he was conceived in Mary by the Power Of The Spirit as a son / child the only begotten son of God - -

can my faith be affirmed by scripture to say that truly Jesus is called as The Son Of God solely and only for one reason alone?

and is that reason he is called the Son Of God because that he was born on earth as a Child / Son.

is the fact that Jesus was born on earth the only reason he is - The Only Born Son Of God ?

 

[ElieG12]

According to the doctrine of the Trinity, Jesus, as the second Person of the Trinity, is eternally begotten of the Father, not made, and without beginning or end.

According to the doctrine, not to the Bible.

Passages such as John 1:1–3 affirm His eternal existence:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him, nothing was made that was made."

The Greek word ἦν (ēn), translated as "was," indicates continuous, timeless existence.

There is no Greek language where the verbal form "was" means "always was," nor is there a modern language either.

Early Church Councils, such as Nicaea (AD 325) and Chalcedon (AD 451), articulated these truths to combat heresies that either denied Christ’s full divinity (e.g., Arianism) or His true humanity (e.g., Docetism).

These councils affirmed that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, with two distinct natures united in one Person without confusion, change, division, or separation.

You seem to believe that Catholic Councils has anything to add to biblical understanding.
Well, you're wrong.

...You agree?

Nah. None of those texts say anything about Jesus not having a beginning.

Jesus said: "I live because of the Father" (John 6:57). Do you believe him?