Not by works - but by faith

[Cooper]

Yes I get that, following Christ!

But what specific acts of Faith would you fulfill to follow Him?

Following my saviour wherever he leads is an act of faith.

 

[Faither]

Following my saviour wherever he leads is an act of faith.

Not to be persistent, but define " following".

Faith applied is an act, based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence. Christ is the object of this Faith. What is the act, what is it based upon, and sustained by what?

 

[Cooper]

Not to be persistent, but define " following".

Faith applied is an act, based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence. Christ is the object of this Faith. What is the act, what is it based upon, and sustained by what?

The disciple did not do theology, neither did the children who gathered around his knee, but you will meet them one day because they had Jesus in their heart, and what they all did, was to trust in the Lord with all their heart and lean not unto their own understanding, but to acknowledge him in all their ways. Proverbs 3:5-7. That is what you do.

Check it out in your own Bible, it will read better, I did it from memory.

 

[Faither]

The disciple did not do theology, neither did the children who gathered around his knee, but you will meet them one day because they had Jesus in their heart, and what they all did, was to trust in the Lord with all their heart and lean not unto their own understanding, but to acknowledge him in all their ways. Proverbs 3:5-7. That is what you do.

Check it out in your own Bible, it will read better, I did it from memory.

Okay!
What do you trust in Christ for?

 

[Cooper]

Okay!
What do you trust in Christ for?

Contentment, peace, and a clear conscience. I am 75 years old and have lived by Proverbs 3 since being 12 when it was given to me at my baptism. I can testify to God's loving care, all the days of my life, except for the few times I have gone my own way, and even then he brought me through. Amen.

 

[Faither]

Contentment, peace, and a clear conscience. I am 75 years old and have lived by Proverbs 3 since being 12 when it was given to me at my baptism. I can testify to God's loving care, all the days of my life, except for the few times I have gone my own way, and even then he brought me through. Amen.

Okay Coop! Hope we'll get to meet on the other side.

 

[Cooper]

Okay Coop! Hope we'll get to meet on the other side.

AMEN.

 

[FollowHim]

It boils down to what your understanding of what Faith is compared to mine. Lots of things happen when the Spirit of Christ is sealed into a faither.

So in a short paragraph, what specifically is your understanding of how saving Faith is applied that results in recieving the Spirit of Christ?

I summarise you meet Jesus, believe in Him, listen to Him and follow Him.

Now the spiritual reality is for each to discover. If one loves Jesus it is normally very obvious, the lifting of one's heart in praise.

It is for the Lord to convict and lead. I just share my love of Him.

 

[Faither]

I summarise you meet Jesus, believe in Him, listen to Him and follow Him.

Now the spiritual reality is for each to discover. If one loves Jesus it is normally very obvious, the lifting of one's heart in praise.

It is for the Lord to convict and lead. I just share my love of Him.

It's really much simpler than that.

It's a continually surrendered life, and living a life inspired by such surrender. That's our part, " Faith and faithing", God will do the rest!

 

[Cooper]

It's really much simpler than that.

It's a continually surrendered life, and living a life inspired by such surrender. That's our part, " Faith and faithing", God will do the rest!

It would be more acceptable to people if you said, "Our part is to believe and be faithful."

Only one problem, the OSAS people would not agree with the being faithful part. They believe it is impossible to fall away from the Lord, and if they do, they are still saved regardless. The odd thing is, they believe in salvation by faith.
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[Paul Christensen]

Wrong

we are saved by grace period

why don’t you do everyone here a favor and stop excusing your sin your as much as saying your sin is ok, but these other people who sin are doomed.

The Scripture says: "For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do" (Ephesians 2:10). This follows verse 8 and 9:
"For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast."

This means that although we are saved by grace and not by works, we receive the Holy Spirit who work in us to produce the good works which God has prepared for us to do. Once we are saved by grace through faith, there is a transformation that occurs within us that causes us to hate sin and to love righteousness, causing us to demonstrate our conversion to Christ by conducting ourselves commensurate with it.

This is what James is saying: that if we say we have been saved by grace through faith, and don't show evidence of it through a transformation from doing the works of the flesh to the good works that result from walking in the Spirit, then our faith is in vain, or as James says, dead.

 

[Paul Christensen]

It would be more acceptable to people if you said, "Our part is to believe and be faithful."

Only one problem, the OSAS people would not agree with the being faithful part. They believe it is impossible to fall away from the Lord, and if they do, they are still saved regardless. The odd thing is, they believe in salvation by faith.
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I am OSAS and I also believe that we have to conduct ourselves to demonstrate our new faith and commitment to Christ. A person believing in OSAS and continuing their conduct according to the works of the flesh is deceiving himself and is not genuinely converted to Christ. Conversion is not putting on a Christian badge and professing faith. There has to be the transformation between walking in the flesh to walking in the Spirit that is genuine conversion to Christ.

There will be many in hell who professed Christianity 'by faith' but did not go on to obtain true conversion to Christ, and therefore remained just having a religious "christian" badge, but fell short of Jesus really knowing them as His because they did not go on to allow the Holy Spirit to do the required transforming work to make them true believers in Him.

 

[FollowHim]

It's really much simpler than that.

It's a continually surrendered life, and living a life inspired by such surrender. That's our part, " Faith and faithing", God will do the rest!

Where in scripture does God let a believer live a sinful life?

We are commanded to act. Our actions lead to eternal life or death.
The choice is there as a light in a dark place. Now God does everything that can be done.

What is shocking to me is summarised in a song about God breaking down doors to find me. He speaks in scripture about following, loving obeying yet some claim this is a lie, even evil to share.

If anyone does not listen and follow, they are not His. And it is ironic, because such lost folk are pointless to listen to as Jesus does not speak through them, their anger testifying to their lost state, to a degree possibly beyond redemption, a hardness of heart seals their souls.

I have listened to them for years, and the same rebellion pours from them with condemnation on those who listen to Jesus and follow. That is what it means to be anti-christ.

 

[Cooper]

I am OSAS and I also believe that we have to conduct ourselves to demonstrate our new faith and commitment to Christ. A person believing in OSAS and continuing their conduct according to the works of the flesh is deceiving himself and is not genuinely converted to Christ. Conversion is not putting on a Christian badge and professing faith. There has to be the transformation between walking in the flesh to walking in the Spirit that is genuine conversion to Christ.

There will be many in hell who professed Christianity 'by faith' but did not go on to obtain true conversion to Christ, and therefore remained just having a religious "christian" badge, but fell short of Jesus really knowing them as His because they did not go on to allow the Holy Spirit to do the required transforming work to make them true believers in Him.

Second paragraph, that is the excuse of the OSAS brigade and while I agree there are lots of nominal Christians, there are many scriptures warning true believers against the dangers of backsliding.
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[Paul Christensen]

Second paragraph, that is the excuse of the OSAS brigade and while I agree there are lots of nominal Christians, there are many scriptures warning true believers against the dangers of backsliding.
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The only way a genuinely converted believer can be lost is for him or turn right away from Christ and declare himself an atheist.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Scripture says: "For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do" (Ephesians 2:10). This follows verse 8 and 9:
"For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast."

This means that although we are saved by grace and not by works, we receive the Holy Spirit who work in us to produce the good works which God has prepared for us to do. Once we are saved by grace through faith, there is a transformation that occurs within us that causes us to hate sin and to love righteousness, causing us to demonstrate our conversion to Christ by conducting ourselves commensurate with it.

This is what James is saying: that if we say we have been saved by grace through faith, and don't show evidence of it through a transformation from doing the works of the flesh to the good works that result from walking in the Spirit, then our faith is in vain, or as James says, dead.

Amen

no one has ever been saved by a lifeless faith

that’s why there is no works,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Second paragraph, that is the excuse of the OSAS brigade and while I agree there are lots of nominal Christians, there are many scriptures warning true believers against the dangers of backsliding.
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Yet there is no scripture which says our life is conditional

all scripture says the moment we are born again we HAVE (not might have) ETERNAL life.

it’s sad people has made what God calls eternal conditional. And in effect spiritualizing a word.

then again, when we look at many churches, that seems to be how they interpret a lot of scripture. It’s sad

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The only way a genuinely converted believer can be lost is for him or turn right away from Christ and declare himself an atheist.

He would then be an antichrist. And as John said in his first epistles, they were never of us, for if they were of us, they would never have departed, but they departed to expose the truth that they were never of us.

 

[Cooper]

The only way a genuinely converted believer can be lost is for him or turn right away from Christ and declare himself an atheist.

Otherwise, we are saved eternally. Correct.

The people (OSAS) I have been talking to, deny the possibility.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Otherwise, we are saved eternally. Correct.

The people (OSAS) I have been talking to, deny the possibility.

Can eternal life be lost? If so, why did God call it eternal, and not only this, say those who come to faith HAVE this life, called eternal?