Dcopymope
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By coming to repentance, and confessing in your heart and soul that Jesus is your Lord and savior, who created the heavens and the earth, that's the first thing.
Not by works - but by faith
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By coming to repentance, and confessing in your heart and soul that Jesus is your Lord and savior, who created the heavens and the earth, that's the first thing.
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It amazes me that you don't know what the gospel of Christ is all about. Read the book of Romans. Paul is quite clear in what he says. There is no hidden message in it. He says that the mystery that has been hidden in ages past has now been fully revealed in the gospel of Christ. Romans clearly shows it, but you need to sit down and read it right through, and not just extract bits out of it and ask questions while ignoring what Paul is saying throughout the whole book.
D Martyn Lloyd-Jones has an excellent commentary series on Romans and you can't get any better than that.
Some people on this forum, by the type of questions they ask, have the attitude, "Why bark if there is a dog to bark for me?" In other words, because they can't be bothered to read and study for themselves, they come on the forum and ask questions of those who have taken the time and energy to do the background study. Another way of putting it, there are those who are just leeches who suck people dry without making any contribution of their own.
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It has nothing to do with sin, it only concerns those who no longer believe in God, i.e. the backslider.I always ask opponents of the OSAS doctrine what happens to the saint that's still alive who sins just before the resurrection. Does that suddenly make him no longer saved? You see, when Jesus said that not one iota of the law passes away until heaven and earth passes away, people don't realize just how profound that statement really is, considering that he already fulfilled the law. As Paul explained, sin was always present in the world from Adam to the establishment of the law on Mount Sinai. However, sin was not imputed until the law came into being. It shines the light on our sin, shows our transgressions. So the far reaching implications of what Jesus was saying is that as long as this world exists, so will the law, because as long as this world exists, so will sin. Therefore, he didn't fulfill the law to make it null and void, otherwise his sacrifice was in vain. He fulfilled the law so that it can be established, or written on our hearts, to quote Jeremiah who Paul quoted quite often. Its no longer just a external code of ethics to be obeyed, but an inner force shaping our character from within.
In other words, our faith in Jesus establishes the law in our hearts, making us 'justified', once and for all in the eyes of God. This cannot possibly be true since it is claimed by the anti OSAS crowd that my future sins aren't covered. If my future sins aren't covered, then that means the very law Jesus allegedly fulfilled has not been established in my heart, which means he cannot claim to be our high priest.
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33 years of Biblical study under the best teacher since the apostle Paul. All of those years at a Stanford University level of teaching.
I was asking to discern where you were at.
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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)
We, the sinner, have an open invitation to come to Jesus who will give us eternal life, if we ACCEPT him as our Lord and Saviour.
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Ok. I define my faith by the Book of Romans, and Galatians. The mystery of the gospel of Christ was hidden right up to the time when the risen, glorified Jesus revealed it to him, and through his writing, the mystery is no longer a mystery because it has been openly revealed through the Book of Romans. Paul wrote Galatians to deal with the false Judaists who were bewitching the Galatian Christians with a false gospel of faith plus works in order to be saved.
Eternally Grateful
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Ie 1 John 1:9
they were never of us, for if they were of us, they never would have departed. They departed to expose the fact they were never of us
who are they?
non believers, antichrists. People who claimed to once believe but have walked away or have backslidden from the faith they had in their hand, but never rooted into salvation.
" Believing " is a choice, something you do, why is that exempt from your "no work" theology?
Do you know the Greek word that is used to define how Faith is applied in relation to the living God?
Coop That word " believeth" is a mistranslation.
The invitation isn't to " believe" in Him, the invitation is to personally surrender our lives to Him and live a life inspired by such surrender.
If forums show anyone anything, many claim to know Jesus, but though they say they are secure, safe, certain, it awaits Jesus's response.
Love is tough, to lose one's pride, ones standing and respect, and still love. To know pain and sacrifice, to bend the knee, and praise God, seems impossible, until in His grace it happens. Fruit is real and eternal, thank you Jesus
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How can the mortal grasp the eternal?
By knowing we walk in love by grace never earnt but proven by obedience.
Sadly we are a continuous tension between aspiration and ability.
Those whose walk is full of evil and sin, have much to learn. Our faith is our aspiration, and our walk our cleansing.
To know the apostles and prophets, our destination is secure if we abide in Him and stay on the road.
Coronovirus
If by medical isolation we pass by this curse, is this faith, or if we accidentally infect others, can we forgive ourselves, or others who take away loved ones
In pain and tears this tension is a challenge. It is unique to our age because we are so blessed, aged parents in their 90's, our selves and wives etc lasting maybe to the same age. It is a kind of heaven utopia.
Can we face this end or work to avoid it and forgive failure, knowing we are in Christ's hands. God bless you
If by medical isolation we pass by this curse, is this faith, or if we accidentally infect others, can we forgive ourselves, or others who take away loved ones
In pain and tears this tension is a challenge. It is unique to our age because we are so blessed, aged parents in their 90's, our selves and wives etc lasting maybe to the same age. It is a kind of heaven utopia.
Can we face this end or work to avoid it and forgive failure, knowing we are in Christ's hands. God bless you
Eternally Grateful
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No
the invitation is to receive his salvation and his offer to adopt you into his family, where you have the ability, the power, and the strength to live like him
the things of god are foolish to those who are not him, you have no capacity to even contemplate the ability to live like him until you are born again
Eternally Grateful
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Those who walk in evil and sin need humbled and brought to faith, only God can do this and draw them to himself we can help by showing them love and light, but God must do the drawing,
Taken
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@Decopymope
@Paul Christensen
@ Eternally Greatful
You are asking What is Faith that results in receiving the Spirit of Christ?
Faith is a Gift from God.
The Gift is given a man, in measures. (Amounts).
The measures (amounts) of The Gift of Faith,
Is proportionate to the individuals Effort, of Hearing (reading) and learning ABOUT the Lord God.
Hearing, (reading), Learning About the Lord God (or anything else), is called:
Being "enlightened".
It is a Beginning of a relationship between the: Teacher and the student, about a particular SUBJECT.
Doesn't matter WHO the teacher IS or the student;
Mommy the teacher, her child the student;
Mistress the school teacher, pupil the student;
Cleric the teacher, congregant the student;
Word of God the teacher, listening crowd the student.
When the teacher IS teaching; and the student Hearing...
Enlightment is occuring.
The believability of what the teacher IS Teaching, Lands squarely on the student to Accept the Enlightment and believe it of Not.
Whether or Not the student Accepts believing the Enlightment, is at the moment; irrelevant.
The Enlightment HAS occurED.
Pertaining specifically to the Word of God;
It IS taught; the Word of God, IS absolute TRUTH.
An individual (student), is taught, IF "Hearing", to then Verify, what they "Hear", against what IS "written" and Approved, by God.
A "student", still has his own freewill, to believe it or Not.
A "student", believing or not, has still been enlightened...and pertaining to God, that same student, BEGINNER or MATURE, is being Gifted with MEASURES of FAITH from God, so that the Student CAN, believe and trust the Word of God.
Humans are Naturally Curious...
They all can naturally want to KNOW About new Subjects...
AND
Humans are ALSO, Naturally curious about the WHY factor of UNDERSTANDING, what they HEAR...
AND (society wise to be impatient, and many times, Taught Entitled to receive the UNDERSTANDING, "Before", FREELY, choosing To Believe or Trust the enlightment of the knowledge they are receiving.
Pertaining to God...that is where the Gift of Faith comes in...
Hear little, read little, receive little MEASURES of Faith...receiving the gift to Believe; without YET Understanding.
Continue hearing, reading, learning, being enlightened, believing, the Gift of Faith Increases.
Stop ^^... and the Gift of Faith stops being given.
Return...and the Gift of Faith AGAIN is given.
Do not Return...The Gift of Faith, remains ceased to be given...and the Result for Such a person IS: they Have Fallen from "FAITH".
Faith from God is an Offering.
Humans have the FREEWILL to accept or Reject any Offering God Offers.
Faither - you asked questions of an incomplete nature making a response you were hoping for guesswork.
And further commented...
Acceptance...ONLY pertains to God.
Disagree. Acceptance of ANY contractual agreement pertains specifically to the parties identified in the Contract.
In this case-
God Offers... an individual can Accept the terms and Agree, or Not.
Cooper - you have made your objection to the Lords Offering and Acceptance of an individual as a ONCE made Contract...between the Lord God AND an individual...can Thereafter be Become a Broken Contract.
Then you give Scriptures (of falling away from Faith as your evidence).
The Scriptures of Falling AWAY from Faith...do NOT Pertain to or Apply to; an individual WHO has Already made a Contractural Agreement with the Lord.
The Warnings about Falling Away from Faith...are TO: individuals WHO, have NOT Yet Committed TO a binding Contract With the Lord God.
The urgency For a man TO Commit...is Because:
The Contract Between a man Accepting the Lords Offering...MUST be Accomplished While the man IS ALIVE. And there is that little FACT, that a man does not know the second he shall no long BE ALIVE.
Jesus Offered all men, the Opportunity to Receive their Justification for Salvation NOW, any second of any day, and that Offering has stood to every man for over 2.000 years.
You preach, you keep running the race, AS IF, you are still waiting to the End of your natural life TO SEE, "IF" you have "accomplished" living a natural life, acceptable to God, to Justify Him "giving" you Salvation.
(You appear to be "hoping" for, Salvation),
Whereas a man, IN Christ, does not HOPE For, what Christ Offered, and the man, chose to Receive, Once and Forever.
It is not Boasting to claim to have Received Salvation.
Boasting would be a man claiming to TO Have AND "keeping" his Received Salvation...by his own power and efforts of WORKS.
The Fact IS:
The Keeping of a man's Received Salvation, IS solely BY the indwelling POWER "OF GOD".
And the "WORKS" of a man, DO NOT, "GET or KEEP" a man's salvation.
WORKS sole purpose are TO Glorify God.
And "WORKS" that DO, "Glorify God", are Rewarded.
And "WORKS" that DO NOT, Glorify God, shall be burned.
You have to wonder, HOW a man, "not having receivED Salvation"... Can DO WORKS to Glorify God.
OSAS - yes.
Once I Heartfully accepted The Lords Offering,
(WHICH by my Freewill, I did),
I Trust the Lord IS Faithful and His Word is True, and Forever, He and I shall be yoked together.
Glory to God,
Taken
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So Jesus has drawn them, they know all of scripture but claim no ability to change, repent or walk the road of a cleansed pure heart?
Some in this state ask do they need to love others or be open and honest.
But of course without a forgiven heart, broken and remade in Christ's example the question is actually why am I not saved?
Each one has to call out to God in despiration knowing our lostness yet asking God to bring His solution. He has promised to answer, and it is for each to experience. I can only share my own, and believe others can experience this gift from God. Thank you Jesus.
The word is" pisteuo" in the Greek.
Vines definition of pisteuo, " pisteuo is a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Producing a full acknowledgement of Gods revelation of truth."
Strong's: "pisteuo means NOT just to believe."
The Greek language doesn't have the word " believe " in their language. There is only pisteuo, Faith moving forwards, towards God in this case. Or " Apisteuo" Faith moving in reverse,away from God. No middle or neutral ground where one is only believing.
Pisteuo, or NT saving Faith is an act, based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence,a verb. The only act that saves is a Continually surrendered life, Based upon the belief that God will accept the surrendered life, sustained by confidence in making all the many daily decisions that support the fact our lives are nolonger ours anymore, but God's now.
This is the correct and narrow path.
Taken
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^ The backslider, the apostate...iS NOT a person who has ONCE BEEN Saved.
A backslider, is a person, FOLLOWING along, but NOT Yet having made a Heartfelt Vow of Commitment...
A commitment...IS the Contractual Highlight;
You can Observe in Scripture...the Beginners, the followers, listening to Jesus' teachings...Not Yet Having a Commitment...
People, walked away...Disciples doubted, denied, and Betrayed the Lord...
And later, you can find the ones Who Continued...became Saved And Baptized with the Holy Spirit, Once and Forever.
Glory to God,
Taken
