No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

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Isn't it true that the reason there is no condemnation for those in Christ is because they are not sinning?

1 John 3
5You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.

In Romans 8:1, Paul had just described the plight of a Jew under the Law--ie, being mastered by sin, and condemned for it. When Paul says, "Therefore," what he is saying next is building upon what came before. "There is therefore now no condemnation for those in Christ".

Why not? "In Him there is no sin."

However, when the Christian sins (by doing what he doubts--walking in unbelief, not faith), he is condemned (Ro 14:23)--he compromises his justification. How can that be if "there is... no condemnation for those in Christ"?

Because this is an example of not remaining in Christ.

1 John 2
28And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming.

Hebrews 10
38But My righteous one will live by faith; and If [My righteous one] shrinks back, My soul has no pleasure in him.

Philippians 3
9and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, 10that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; 11in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
12Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. 13Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, 14I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

Whereas the one who remains in Christ enjoys "no condemnation", the one who does not remain in Christ is "condemned".

How to remain in Christ?

1 John 3
23And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.
24Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.

Therefore, when Romans 14:23 refers to the Christian who is condemned for breaking faith by doing what he does not believe, it is teaching that this person is not abiding in Christ. Obviously, to abide in Christ means to believe in His mercy that reconnects you to Him, and to then walk before Him in peace.

Romans 1:17 says "God's righteousness is revealed from faith to faith", thus the Christian, who is to reveal God's righteousness (not his own), is, in all his actions, to be "fully convinced in his own mind" (Romans 14:5)--and, because this is true, if the Christian does what he doubts is correct before the Lord, it is sin (not the revelation of God's righteousness) whereby the Christian is condemned (Romans 14:23).

How did the Christian, the justified, become condemned?
By not abiding in Christ.
How?
By not keeping God's commands (1 Jn 3:23,24).

There is no other accounting for this anomaly--"there is no condemnation for those in Christ", yet "the Christian who sins is condemned"--and, certainly, the OSAS crowd cannot account for it.
The trick is to "be IN Christ"

It's not so much an anti-OSAS thread but one describing not having a life characterized by a sin. Such as "theif", philanderer, liar, and etc. Which is the locus of gnostic teaching that a person can continue in sin so long as they personally identify with Christ...while the rest of the world majorly identify them as their sinful lifestyle but describe them as being a hypocrite because of their claim to know Christ.
 

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"be IN Christ"
And the thread, I think, proves not all remain, since "no condemnation in Christ" (Ro 8:1), but the believer who sins is "condemned" (Ro 14:23), since remaining in Him is by keeping both His Word (faith), and Works (love = walk in faith) (Jn 15; 1 Jn 3:23,24).
 
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I thought we were having a good discussion.
No, actually, this entire time I've remained absolutely dumbfounded at how any sane mind could actually entertain the incoherent bankrupt illogic you have been expressing here.
I asked you the question about doubt, not as a "gotcha question" but a genuine exegetical question, the kind of question our men's group meeting likes to ask each other.
Actually, I had already given you much information along those lines--you could easily have replied to that information.
 

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Paul calls the Law of Moses "the Law of my mind" to open the door to his later argument, "each man must be fully convinced in his own mind".

This is also how the Gentile believers can be deemed "doers of the Law" without even knowing the Law (Ro 2:14): the New Covenant involves God writing His Law on hearts and minds (Jer 31:31-34).

Therefore, if a partakers of that New Covenant goes against the Law of his mind, doing what he doesn't believe in, that is breaking God's Law (for him), and he's condemned.
 

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And the thread, I think, proves not all remain, since "no condemnation in Christ" (Ro 8:1), but the believer who sins is "condemned" (Ro 14:23), since remaining in Him is by keeping both His Word (faith), and Works (love = walk in faith) (Jn 15; 1 Jn 3:23,24).
You mean...like being a seamless theology and congruent with the Parable of Soils....

Oh say it isn't so!....
After all....what would we argue over if it's congruent in such a fashion? We would have to be peaceable with each other and everything..... :jest:
 
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Those without the Spirit wouldn’t understand any of this scripture.

They wouldn’t/ couldn’t make head nor tail of it, why, because the written word can only be understood in the Spirit.

How do you become “ spiritually minded”?...just by reading the written word?

You need to understand what it means to be Born Of The Spirit....only Gods Living Witness can make your spirit Born Again/ come Alive in Christ?

Romans 8​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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You mean...like being a seamless theology and congruent with the Parable of Soils....

Oh say it isn't so!....
After all....what would we argue over if it's congruent in such a fashion? We would have to be peaceable with each other and everything..... :jest:
Exactly.

I acknowledge people can know God, and derive benefit by having a lop-sided theology, but I went to hell from listening to a preacher instead of God, so I will NEVER listen to a man, I will only listen to the Bible, and NEVER hold to incoherence no matter what it can grant me.
 
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Exactly.

I acknowledge people can know God, and derive benefit by having a lop-sided theology, but I went to hell from listening to a preacher instead of God, so I will NEVER listen to a man, I will only listen to the Bible, and NEVER hold to incoherence no matter what it can grant me.
Oh dear you will only listen to the Bible...what about the Spirit, He backs up Gods written word?

How do you think you are Born Of The Spirit?
 

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Oh dear you will only listen to the Bible...what about the Spirit, He backs up Gods written word?

How do you think you are Born Of The Spirit?
The Spirit of Truth permits people to have lop-sided theology, because He backs whoever speaks truth, to what ever degree they speak it--that DOES NOT mean that He is backing EVERYTHING you speak, only the parts of it that are true.

I aim to combine the Word of the Spirit together with the power of the Spirit--I do not abandon coherent teaching because "the Spirit says so".
 

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The Spirit of Truth permits people to have lop-sided theology, because He backs whoever speaks truth--that DOES NOT mean that He is backing EVERYTHING you speak, only the parts of it that are true.
Whose the Spirit of truth?

You said you only listen to the Bible..how can you listen to the written word, without God’s Living witness His Holy Spirit?

How can you understand the written word without God’s Living Spirit ( Holy Spirit)to back it up?

Who brings the written word to your understanding?
I aim to combine the Word of the Spirit together with the power of the Spirit--I do not abandon coherent teaching because "the Spirit says so".
How would you do this, without being Born Of The Spirit?
 

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Whose the Spirit of truth?

You said you only listen to the Bible..how can you listen to the written word, without God’s Living witness His Holy Spirit?

How can you understand the written word without God’s Spirit to back it up?

How would you do this, without being Born Of The Spirit?
There is nothing else to speak about--either you make a coherent argument, or you have nothing to add to the conversation.

You are dragging things off topic.
 

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There is nothing else to speak about--either you make a coherent argument, or you have nothing to add to the conversation.

You are dragging things off topic.
I already have..I asked you relevant questions?

How would you know that there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ?

How would you know that the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are children of God?

It’s all relevant to There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ ..it’s written in that scripture?
 

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I already have..I asked you relevant questions?

How would you know that there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ?

How would you know that the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are children of God?

It’s all relevant to There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ ..it’s written in that scripture?
You have not asked a single question relevant to the topic I raised; you are raising a tangential that is your perennial topic you want to raise.

Whether someone is a child of God or not has no bearing on whether Romans 14:23 condemns a believer who does not walk in faith, and whether that proves he's not abiding "in Christ", because there's "no condemnation" for those "in Christ", but remaining "in Christ" is by keeping His Word (faith) and Works (love) (Jn 15; 1 Jn 3:23,24).
 

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You have not asked a single question relevant to the topic I raised; you are raising a tangential that is your perennial topic you want to raise.

Whether someone is a child of God or not has no bearing on whether Romans 14:23 condemns a believer who does not walk in faith, and whether that proves he's not abiding "in Christ", because there's "no condemnation" for those "in Christ", but remaining "in Christ" is by keeping His Word (faith) and Works (love) (Jn 15; 1 Jn 3:23,24).
Yes it does?

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are children of God.

So, how and where would we know this scripture below @GracePeace

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together


Which means what?

It’s easy enough to understand?

Here is the scripture again.

Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord
 

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Yes it does?

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are children of God.

So, how and where would we know this scripture below @GracePeace

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together


Which means what?

It’s easy enough to understand?
It's not relevant to this discussion. Please stop flooding my thread with your irrelevant off topic discussion.
 

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It's not relevant to this discussion. Please stop flooding my thread with your irrelevant off topic discussion.
Yes it is..here is the scripture again.

Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord
 

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Yes it does?

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are children of God.

So, how and where would we know this scripture below @GracePeace

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together


Which means what?

It’s easy enough to understand?
If you want to engage me in my thread, please be on topic:

Here is the topic with which you may engage:

1. Remaining "in Christ" is by keeping God's Commands: a) believe, b) love (Jn 15:3-10 ; 1 Jn 3:23,24).
2. The spiritually immature, the children, are warned to "remain in Christ" (1 Jn 2:28).
3. Romans 8:1 says "in Christ" there is "no condemnation".
4. Romans 14:23 says the believer who sins is "condemned".

Conclusion: the one who sins is not "remaining" "in Christ" where there is "no condemnation".
 

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Yes it is..here is the scripture again.

Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord
You are not welcome to flood my thread with irrelevant noise.

Here is the topic with which you may engage:

1. Remaining "in Christ" is by keeping God's Commands: a) believe, b) love (Jn 15:3-10 ; 1 Jn 3:23,24).
2. The spiritually immature, the children, are warned to "remain in Christ" (1 Jn 2:28).
3. Romans 8:1 says "in Christ" there is "no condemnation".
4. Romans 14:23 says the believer who sins is "condemned".

Conclusion: the one who sins is not "remaining" "in Christ" where there is "no condemnation".
 

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You are not welcome to flood my thread with irrelevant noise.

Here is the topic with which you may engage:

1. Remaining "in Christ" is by keeping God's Commands: a) believe, b) love (Jn 15:3-10 ; 1 Jn 3:23,24).
2. The spiritually immature, the children, are warned to "remain in Christ" (1 Jn 2:28).
3. Romans 8:1 says "in Christ" there is "no condemnation".
4. Romans 14:23 says the believer who sins is "condemned".

Conclusion: the one who sins is not "remaining" "in Christ" where there is "no condemnation".
Were talking about the scripture I posted. I am flooding nothing.

If you are Born Again why aren’t you able to answer my questions?

Are you just a Christian @GracePeace ?
 

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Were talking about the scripture I posted. I am flooding nothing.

If you are Born Again why aren’t you able to answer my questions?

Are you just a Christian @GracePeace ?
Here is the topic with which you may engage:

1. Remaining "in Christ" is by keeping God's Commands: a) believe, b) love (Jn 15:3-10 ; 1 Jn 3:23,24).
2. The spiritually immature, the children, are warned to "remain in Christ" (1 Jn 2:28).
3. Romans 8:1 says "in Christ" there is "no condemnation".
4. Romans 14:23 says the believer who sins is "condemned".

Conclusion: the one who sins is not "remaining" "in Christ" where there is "no condemnation".

If you think your off-topic comments have any bearing on the aforementioned argument, then please explain how.
 
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