No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

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GracePeace

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Yes he does. He explicitly says that those who have been given the Spirit of God are not walking in the flesh.
The life is in His Son, thus only those who remain in Him continue to receive the sap in the Vine.
Romans 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.

The natural assumption here is the logic of posting a message on a Christian message board. Those who post want to be understood and those who don't understand politely ask for clarification. If you didnt' want to be understood, why did you mention 1 Corinthians 10?
Please clarify.
As I said, you are conflating two different arguments, which is not the means to understanding.
Nope, Romans 6:14 says BECAUSE you're not under Law Sin will not be your master (you will not be its slave)--Ro 7 depicts a ma being mastered by Sin because he's under Law, as he says "sinful passions aroused by the Law were at work in us to bring forth fruit to death", which us why the body is "the body of sin" and "of death".
I am unable to follow or respond to posts such as these because you are misconstruing what Paul intended to say.
You are not able to follow, not able to see, etc, lol Anyone who has eyes to see will see .
 

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You seem to be using "saved" with two different meanings. Israel was delivered from slavery. They weren't spiritually saved.
I am not using terms in ways the Bible doesn't--they were saved from physical slavery by Passover as a type and shadow of our salvation from spiritual slavery by "Christ our Passover Lamb".
 

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Proven once again!

Persons that believe in cheap grace and easy believism, just like you do, are always believers in OSAS.

Never have understood why.
Maybe they know they sin.
Maybe they'd like to sin.
Certainly I can't know.

I DO know that OSAS is nowhere to be found in the NT and those that believe as you do should adjust their belief system to be in accordance with the NT.

The NT demands that we obey God.

For the very reason that @GracePeace stated to you:
IF we remained in Christ AUTOMATICALLY....Paul and the other writers, including Jesus Himself, would not have found it necessary to exhort us to good behavior.

Matthew 5:16
16In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

Romans 13:14
14But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

Matthew 7:21
21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
To be clear, good behavior itself is not what remaining in Christ consists of--its faith in His Name and loving others. The Galatians had good behavior but they were not remaining in Christ. They weren't walking in faith.
 

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To be clear, good behavior itself is not what remaining in Christ consists of--its faith in His Name and loving others. The Galatians had good behavior but they were not remaining in Christ. They weren't walking in faith.
Remaining in Christ will help us toward good behavior.
If we have faith in Christ we will walk in light and practice good behavior.

You'll have to post the scripture you're speaking of in Galatians.
If a person believes in God
And practices good behavior as God wants him to,
he will saved.

Easy.

Good behavior is EXACTLY what you get when remaining in Christ.
Read John 15:1-6 again.
 

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I am unable to follow or respond to posts such as these because you are misconstruing what Paul intended to say.
I'm hitting the bullseye, but it seems to you I'm missing because of your entrenched misconstructions of what Paul had to say. It's really that simple.
 

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Remaining in Christ will help us toward good behavior.
If we have faith in Christ we will walk in light and practice good behavior.

You'll have to post the scripture you're speaking of in Galatians.
If a person believes in God
And practices good behavior as God wants him to,
he will saved.

Easy.

Good behavior is EXACTLY what you get when remaining in Christ.
Read John 15:1-6 again.
The entire book of Galatians.

They were walking in their own righteousness not God's which is by faith .

There is a righteousness of our own--then we're not in Christ.

This is why Paul says to "honor your parents in the Lord"--"in the Lord", meaning, "remain in the Lord while doing it".
 

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The entire book of Galatians.

They were walking in their own righteousness not God's which is by faith .

There is a righteousness of our own--then we're not in Christ.

This is why Paul says to "honor your parents in the Lord"--"in the Lord", meaning, "remain in the Lord while doing it".
OK I don't know what you mean by he whole letter to the Galatians.
They were being taught some false doctrine...Paul was trying to dissuade them.
If you read Hebrews it's the same....some Jews believed they had to follow the Law of Moses to be saved....
it's understandable since that's all they knew. But today we know better but we still have to obey God.

If you don't post a particular verse, I don't know what you mean by THERE IS A RIGHTEOUSNESS OF OUR OWN.....

I hear this and don't know what it means...
The only righteousness of our own that I can't agree with is persons that do not have faith but think they'll be saved somehow by being "good".
 
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OK I don't know what you mean by he whole letter to the Galatians.
They were being taught some false doctrine...Paul was trying to dissuade them.
If you read Hebrews it's the same....some Jews believed they had to follow the Law of Moses to be saved....
it's understandable since that's all they knew. But today we know better but we still have to obey God.

If you don't post a particular verse, I don't know what you mean by THERE IS A RIGHTEOUSNESS OF OUR OWN.....

I hear this and don't know what it means...
The only righteousness of our own that I can't agree with is persons that do not have faith but think they'll be saved somehow by being "good".
Have you read Galatians?
 

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Have you read Galatians?
Does it matter?
What do you think?
Do you disagree with my assessment of it?

I like dealing with scripture.
I like Romans the most....but I still need scripture to discuss it.

I've never studied Revelation....
so I can't really engage in a conversation about that.

Other than that,,,I believe I can hold my own.
 
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Does it matter?
What do you think?
Do you disagree with my assessment of it?

I like dealing with scripture.
I like Romans the most....but I still need scripture to discuss it.

I've never studied Revelation....
so I can't really engage in a conversation about that.

Other than that,,,I believe I can hold my own.
I'm just saying it's a drag on conversation about the Bible when literally everything that is plainly stated at length in Scripture has to be typed out at length when it's already typed in the Bible. It's frustrating. Can you please do me a favor and read Galatians, or is asking you to acquaint yourself with the material pertinent to the conversation putting too heavy a burden on you (as asking me to type everything in Galatians is too heavy a burden for me)?
 
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I answered

It’s your work of righteousness done in his name. god did his work 2000 years ago when he walked this world
So God working in me is not God working righteousness? Is it God working unrighteousness?

Also, why are you teaching self righteousness? It's YOUR work of righteousness (so that you don't have to admit God is working righteousness today, not just one time 2000 years ago)? How can you perform righteousness on your own? Doesn't it say "The Father is working His works and I am working"? How was Jesus dependent on God working righteousness, but you are not--AND you denounce "a righteousness of your own", all at the same time? Why are you teaching a righteousness of your own at the same time as denouncing me for ostensibly teaching a righteousness of my own!?

You're a complete disaster. You are completely incoherent and confused.

All because you can't admit walking in faith is not our righteousness, works, but God's righteousness (Ro 1:17), grace, so that the one who doesn't walk in faith is condemned (Ro 14:23) bc he's not abiding in Christ, in Whom is no sin (1 Jn 3:5) or condemnation (Ro 8:1), because His Name is "God Is Our Righteousness" (Jer 23:6).

It's transparent : when God is at work in me to will and do for His good pleasure (Php 2:12,13), that is God working His "fine linen bright and clean" (Rv 19:7,8) righteousness in me, thus it is not the "filthy rags" of "a righteousness of my own"--"I was abundant in labors above them all, yet not I but the grace with me", "it is no longer I who live but Christ", "Christ came and preached to you" (the minister preaching is called "Christ" preaching)--thus there is no issue with saying I'm justified by walking in the gift of His righteousness (especially since I'm condemned if I don't walk in it (Ro 14:23)), as Romans 2 and James 2 teach.
 
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Proven once again!

Persons that believe in cheap grace and easy believism, just like you do, are always believers in OSAS.

Never have understood why.
Maybe they know they sin.
Maybe they'd like to sin.
Certainly I can't know.

I DO know that OSAS is nowhere to be found in the NT and those that believe as you do should adjust their belief system to be in accordance with the NT.

The NT demands that we obey God.

For the very reason that @GracePeace stated to you:
IF we remained in Christ AUTOMATICALLY....Paul and the other writers, including Jesus Himself, would not have found it necessary to exhort us to good behavior.

Matthew 5:16
16In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

Romans 13:14
14But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

Matthew 7:21
21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Lol

OSAS - Once a person is saved, they are always saved, also known as eternal security, the peace that surpasses all understanding, Eternal life. Sealed by the spirit

1. For God so loved the world he gave his only sin that whoever believes in him will NEVER PERISH (OSAS) and Has Eternal Life (OSAS)
2. He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; (OSAS) he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
3. Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, But whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.” (OSAS)
4. “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life (OSAS)
5. And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. (OSAS)
6. This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. (OSAS) And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” (OSAS)
7. Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. (OSAS) I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead.This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. (OSAS)I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever;(OSAS)
8. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, (OSAS) just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, (OSAS) having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved. (OSAS)
9. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, (OSAS) and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

There are many more. But I pray you get the point
 

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So God working in me is not God working righteousness? Is it God working unrighteousness?
It will not save you

God works in you BECAUSE you are saved.

You can;t claim it is Gods righteousness, when it is self centered and done to keep yourself saved. Thats not righteousness, That is called self righteousness
Also, why are you teaching self righteousness? It's YOUR work of righteousness (so that you don't have to admit God is working righteousness today, not just one time 2000 years ago)? How can you perform righteousness on your own? Doesn't it say "The Father is working His works and I am working"? How was Jesus dependent on God working righteousness, but you are not--AND you denounce "a righteousness of your own", all at the same time? Why are you teaching a righteousness of your own at the same time as denouncing me for ostensibly teaching a righteousness of my own!?
lol. I do not work to keep myself saved, I work because I am saved. I love because he first loved me

You can’t compete. You’re working to keep yourself saved. No contest
You're a complete disaster. You are completely incoherent and confused.
That would be you
All because you can't admit walking in faith is not our righteousness, works, but God's righteousness (Ro 1:17), grace, so that the one who doesn't walk in faith is condemned (Ro 14:23) bc he's not abiding in Christ, in Whom is no sin (1 Jn 3:5) or condemnation (Ro 8:1), because His Name is "God Is Our Righteousness" (Jer 23:6).
Your context is out of wack because your self focused and not God focused
It's transparent : when God is at work in me to will and do for His good pleasure (Php 2:12,13), that is God working His "fine linen bright and clean" (Rv 19:7,8) righteousness in me, thus it is not the "filthy rags" of "a righteousness of my own"--"I was abundant in labors above them all, yet not I but the grace with me", "it is no longer I who live but Christ", "Christ came and preached to you" (the minister preaching is called "Christ" preaching)--thus there is no issue with saying I'm justified by walking in the gift of His righteousness (especially since I'm condemned if I don't walk in it (Ro 14:23)), as Romans 2 and James 2 teach.
lol. Keep trying to save yourself. You have a lot of words here. You can talk a good talk. But your walk is non existent, Because you refuse to put your eternity in the hands of a holy and just God. Your trying to make it yourself
 

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So God working in me is not God working righteousness? Is it God working unrighteousness?

Also, why are you teaching self righteousness? It's YOUR work of righteousness (so that you don't have to admit God is working righteousness today, not just one time 2000 years ago)? How can you perform righteousness on your own? Doesn't it say "The Father is working His works and I am working"? How was Jesus dependent on God working righteousness, but you are not--AND you denounce "a righteousness of your own", all at the same time? Why are you teaching a righteousness of your own at the same time as denouncing me for ostensibly teaching a righteousness of my own!?

You're a complete disaster. You are completely incoherent and confused.

All because you can't admit walking in faith is not our righteousness, works, but God's righteousness (Ro 1:17), grace, so that the one who doesn't walk in faith is condemned (Ro 14:23) bc he's not abiding in Christ, in Whom is no sin (1 Jn 3:5) or condemnation (Ro 8:1), because His Name is "God Is Our Righteousness" (Jer 23:6).

It's transparent : when God is at work in me to will and do for His good pleasure (Php 2:12,13), that is God working His "fine linen bright and clean" (Rv 19:7,8) righteousness in me, thus it is not the "filthy rags" of "a righteousness of my own"--"I was abundant in labors above them all, yet not I but the grace with me", "it is no longer I who live but Christ", "Christ came and preached to you" (the minister preaching is called "Christ" preaching)--thus there is no issue with saying I'm justified by walking in the gift of His righteousness (especially since I'm condemned if I don't walk in it (Ro 14:23)), as Romans 2 and James 2 teach.
PS. You still do not teach grace (unmerited favor) yu tech merited favor. Which is not grace

And you do not teach peace. You teach a continued war and alienation between mankind and God as you have man trying to save himself by how good he is. And not God restor them to life by How Good God was.
 
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