No authority!

[theefaith]

We have an altar from which those who serve at the tabernacle have no right to eat. Hebrews 13:10

that is our altar not yours
You don’t eat the lamb

 

[theefaith]

9 million People "came to Faith"...because someone declared "they" SAW a vision of a dead "woman"?

Faith is a Gift from God...and great IF millions of people "have received Gods Gift of Faith"...

Read Scriptures...Faith comes by hearing.
Hearing the Word of God.

Is the "Word of God"... Believe men that proclaim they saw a vision of a dead woman?


Mary in her Earthly Flesh Life did not go about Preaching among the People, Jesus is the Christ.
That was NOT her role IN her living Flesh...but that is her role in Dead Flesh?

Scripture teaches no such thing.
Scripture in fact teaches to Not Attempt to counjour up the Dead or be fooled by Appritions of the Dead.

Beware of Demons, who can Appear as the Dead.
Beware of WHAT and WHY one claims to have Faith.

And so now...these millions have Faith in Jesus...BY and Through Belief and Veneration of MARY?

Are you aware of how Millions (as I have talked with many and their concensous opinion)...
Its Praise and worship TO Mary.
If their "parents are Catholic", they were born Catholic!
They have all the Mary statues, The Beads, The Rosery, the candles, the incense... and repeat, repeat, repeat...prayers TO Mary...to be forgiven of SINS they commit OVER and over.
They go to church, fill the pews on Festive Holidays...and maybe otherwise go occasionally.
The Pope is their "Holy Father".
And IF the Pope bows and kisses statues representing Mary and Venerates Mary...so do they.

Teaching a Lie, turns the Truth into a Lie.
Gentile Men preaching, teaching, advocating, promoting ... "MAKING" a host of Gentiles
To exalt and venerate Mary...
is Not Scriptural, Not the Word of God.
Is DUPING men.

fundamentalist blindness and pride


you are negating scripture
Dead no way
John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am theresurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

 

[theefaith]

Your water cult teaches that Grace comes from God, through Christ, through Mary, to you.
You sit there and think....>"ok, that is not true" but, i'll argue on the Forum anyway, as, what else can i do".

Well, what you could do, is be honest.
But that's not your position.

See, Your Roman Leader refuted you forever= with his Mary Idolatry.
Need more photos to prove you are lying?
So, Just keep ignoring the reality to suit your deception.
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Your water cult teaches that Grace comes from God, through Christ, through Mary, to you.
You sit there and think....>"ok, that is not true" but, i'll argue on the Forum anyway, as, what else can i do".

Well, what you could do, is be honest.
But that's not your position.

See, Your Roman Leader refuted you forever= with his Mary Idolatry.
Need more photos to prove you are lying?
So, Just keep ignoring the reality to suit your deception.
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Christ is the source of divine grace
And salvation
And he came to us thru Mary

 

[Ferris Bueller]

that is our altar not yours
You don’t eat the lamb

Now tell me, what literal food and altar are we worshipping at?

Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace and not by foods of no value to those devoted to them. We have an altar from which those who serve at the tabernacle have no right to eat. Hebrews 13:9-10​

the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. For whoever serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. Romans 14:17-18

...food does not bring us closer to God: We are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do. 1 Corinthians 8:8​

We are the ones who have rejected the devotion to ceremonial foods and procedures and rely on grace. Yours is the 'strange' teaching of myths about proper procedures and ceremonies concerning carnal things. Now don't get me wrong. I understand there are a few mainline Protestant denominations that aren't much better than your Catholic religion in this regard. But there are a multitude of us believers who reject carnal earthly rituals and objects as the way to God. Grace, through faith, in and of itself, all by itself is the vehicle that brings a person close to God in fellowship and salvation. The carnal trappings of Christianity are commemorations, not the realities themselves. We know this. That's why you serve at a carnal altar and we serve at the heavenly one. The heavenly one that you have no right to eat from. Not until you recognize that altar and reject the carnal one.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You don’t eat the lamb

Yes we do.

For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 1 Corinthians 5:7​

It is not necessary to continually kill the Passover Lamb and partake of Him as the Catholics think they are doing in their unbelief. We need only apply the true sacrifice in heaven to ourselves through our faith in that sacrifice, one time, not many times. From then on we believers commemorate his sacrifice through the bread and the wine.

“This is My body, given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” Luke 22:19​

 

[BreadOfLife]

I'll admit that you have made a good point there.
But I think that Moses was
Jesus said, I am the resurrection and the life.

Moses died and was buried:

Deut 34:5-6
So Moses the servant of the Lord DIED there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord, and he BURIED him in the valley in the land of Moab opposite Beth-peor; but no one knows the place of his burial to this day.

If Moses was "Alive" - which I also believe he was - then EVERYBODY in Heaven is also alive in Christ.

 

[BreadOfLife]

There is a great wall between Catholics and non-Catholics, and it's there for a reason. You're wasting your time here. You're not going to win anybody here.

WRONG.

I've had many great discussions with many non-Catholic.
However - dialog with ANTI-Catholics is fruitless.

NOT every Protestant is as spiritually arrogant and ignorant as your average anti-Catholic.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You not knowing the definition of worship does not make us liars.

No - your KNOWING the definition of "worship" yet still falsely accusing Catholics of it is what makes you liars.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Moses died and was buried:

Deut 34:5-6
So Moses the servant of the Lord DIED there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord, and he BURIED him in the valley in the land of Moab opposite Beth-peor; but no one knows the place of his burial to this day.

If Moses was "Alive" - which I also believe he was - then EVERYBODY in Heaven is also alive in Christ.

Do you pray to Moses or any other deceased OT person? Why not? And why don't you just pray directly to God? That's what the New Covenant is all about. Now all of God's people have instant and direct access to God. We don't need an earthly priesthood for that anymore. That's why the Levitical priesthood was laid aside. We don't need it anymore. We have Jesus himself, not his mother, lol, through whom we go directly to the throne of God. I realized a short time after being born again that you Catholics have simply perpetuated the old Mosaic system of worship. And it can't save either! Only Christ's ministry IN HEAVEN can save. And we have direct access to that ministry. I don't need a human priestly system to do that. It CAN'T do that.

 

[theefaith]

Now tell me, what literal food and altar are we worshipping at?

Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace and not by foods of no value to those devoted to them. We have an altar from which those who serve at the tabernacle have no right to eat. Hebrews 13:9-10​

the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. For whoever serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. Romans 14:17-18

...food does not bring us closer to God: We are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do. 1 Corinthians 8:8​

We are the ones who have rejected the devotion to ceremonial foods and procedures and rely on grace. Yours is the 'strange' teaching of myths about proper procedures and ceremonies concerning carnal things. Now don't get me wrong. I understand there are a few mainline Protestant denominations that aren't much better than your Catholic religion in this regard. But there are a multitude of us believers who reject carnal earthly rituals and objects as the way to God. Grace, through faith, in and of itself, all by itself is the vehicle that brings a person close to God in fellowship and salvation. The carnal trappings of Christianity are commemorations, not the realities themselves. We know this. That's why you serve at a carnal altar and we serve at the heavenly one. The heavenly one that you have no right to eat from. Not until you recognize that altar and reject the carnal one.

1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

Right. A commemoration. Not the reality itself. The believer ate the body and drank the blood of Jesus, by faith, when he first believed. It does not have to be repeated. It's effect is completely applied in the moment of saving faith and does not need to be reapplied like it did under the old system. The Catholics resurrected the old system where you do have to sacrifice the offering over and over and over again and eat it again and again and again to be forgiven. That was the very thing that was wrong with the old system. Yet the Catholics have adopted this ineffective system of sacrifice thinking it works. They are in unbelief of the New High Priest and His Sacrifice.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I don't accept your premise that the institution you worship is the Church Christ established. But you worship the institution don't you? You do whatever the institution says without question right? or no? Are you one of those Catholics that allow yourself the luxury to pick and chose which edict to obey?

THANK GOD my salvation doesn't depend on what YOU think.

Also - I already told you that I don't "worship" the Church - but I DO wporship what it represents.
Time for a Bible lesson . . .

THIS is what the Church is:
- The Church is the Body of Christ and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8).

- Jesus said that HE is the Light of the World (John 8:12).
Jesus also said that His Church is the Light of the world (Matt. 5:14).

- Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6).

- The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).

- The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).

- Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).

- Jesus promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).

- Jesus told the leaders of His Church that WHATEVER they bound or loosed on earth would ALSO be bound and loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, John 20:21-23).

- Jesus also told them that whoever listens to or rejects His Church also listens to or rejects HIM and the ONE who sent Him (Luke 10:16).

Sooooo, if the Church is the LIGHT of the world, the BODY and the FULLNESS of Christ, the pillar and foundation of Truth with Supreme Authority that WHATEVER it ordains on earth will also be ordained in Heaven - that whoever listens to or rejects it also listens to or rejects HIM and has a guarantee that the Holy Spirit will guide it to ALL truth - then I'd be a FOOL not to do what His Church says.

 

[theefaith]

Right. A commemoration. Not the reality itself. The believer ate the body and drank the blood of Jesus, by faith, when he first believed. It does not have to be repeated. It's effect is completely applied in the moment of saving faith and does not need to be reapplied like it did under the old system. The Catholics resurrected the old system where you do have to sacrifice the offering over and over and over again and eat it again and again and again to be forgiven. That was the very thing that was wrong with the old system. Yet the Catholics have adopted this ineffective system of sacrifice thinking it works. They are in unbelief of the New High Priest and His Sacrifice.

Jn 6:48 I am that bread of life.

49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

no you misunderstand the holy sacrifice of the mass, there is only one sacrifice and one mass

he does not suffer and die over and over again

It is an unbloody sacrifice or a clean oblation

Malachi 1:11
For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

Offering of the liturgy!
The holy sacrifice of Jesus Christ!
Luke 22:19 “do this in memory of me”!


The Passover
(The new covenant Passover sacrifice of Christ)

“It is finished” not the redemptive work of Christ but the Passover sacrifice!

The cup refers to the Passover
The sacrifice prefigured the sacrifice of Christ
Christ was celebrating the Passover and changing it into the new covenant Passover in his own body and blood
Began in the last supper with the psalm then to the garden and ended with his death in the cross with the words commanded to be said at the consummation of the Passover sacrifice by the high priest “IT IS FINISHED”!!!

jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 cor 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
Notice the connection to his betrayal and death

1 cor 5:6-8
For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast

So
The Passover
(The new covenant Passover sacrifice of Christ)


The cup refers to the Passover
The sacrifice prefigured the sacrifice of Christ
Christ was celebrating the Passover and changing it into the new covenant Passover in his own body and blood
Began in the last supper with the psalm then to the garden and ended with his death in the cross with the words commanded to be said at the consummation of the Passover sacrifice by the high priest “IT IS FINISHED”!!!

jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 cor 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
Notice the connection to his betrayal and death

1 cor 5:6-8
For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast

So the it in “it is finished” is not the work of redemption but the Passover sacrifice!

but something is missing we have to eat the lamb

jn 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

“It is finished” the Passover sacrifice!
Consummation of the new Passover or the beginning of the new and eternal covenant!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Do you pray to Moses or any other deceased OT person? Why not? And why don't you just pray directly to God? That's what the New Covenant is all about. Now all of God's people have instant and direct access to God. We don't need an earthly priesthood for that anymore. That's why the Levitical priesthood was laid aside. We don't need it anymore. We have Jesus himself, not his mother, lol, through whom we go directly to the throne of God. I realized a short time after being born again that you Catholics have simply perpetuated the old Mosaic system of worship. And it can't save either! Only Christ's ministry IN HEAVEN can save. And we have direct access to that ministry. I don't need a human priestly system to do that. It CAN'T do that.

Really??

Sooooo, you NEEVER ask anypne tp pray for you?
You've NEVER prayed for anyone else - even tough we are instructed to do so in the NT (James 5:16)??

As to the Priesthood - you faiol to full;y grasp Scripture, which id FULL of OT Type - and NT fulfillment.
The Church itself is the fulfillment of Judaism.

In the Old Testament, there were three levels of Priests:
Aaron, the High Priest
The Levitical/Ministerial Priesthood
The rest of the people were a general priesthood of believers.

In the New Testament, there are also three levels of Priests:
Jesus, our High Priest (1 Tim. 2:5, Heb. 7:22-25)
Ministerial (James 5:14-15)
The general priesthood of all Christians (1 Peter 2:5-9).

Just as with all New Testament fulfillments, the fulfillment is always more glorious and perfect than the Old Testament type.

Finally, in the Epistle of Jude, we read the warning about those who would usurp Church Authority by assuming the ministerial priesthood without the Church’s consent (Jude 1:11). In this passage he compares them to the rebellion of Korah and their subsequent punishment (Numbers 16:1-35; 31:16).

Do you ever actually STUDY your Bible - or do you just use it as a weapon?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

No - your KNOWING the definition of "worship" yet still falsely accusing Catholics of it is what makes you liars.

You are in some serious denial.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

WRONG.

I've had many great discussions with many non-Catholic.
However - dialog with ANTI-Catholics is fruitless.

NOT every Protestant is as spiritually arrogant and ignorant as your average anti-Catholic.

Seriously, you're wasting your time here. We will never trade in the New Covenant for your deceitful version of the old covenant with all it's costumes and ceremonies and it's earthly priesthood.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your water cult teaches that Grace comes from God, through Christ, through Mary, to you.
You sit there and think....>"ok, that is not true" but, i'll argue on the Forum anyway, as, what else can i do".

Well, what you could do, is be honest.
But that's not your position.

See, Your Roman Leader refuted you forever= with his Mary Idolatry.
Need more photos to prove you are lying?
So, Just keep ignoring the reality to suit your deception.
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You can post ALL the photos you want - but it doesn't make YOUR point any more factual.

Are the people in these photos practicing "Idolatry" - or just love and respect?

 

[theefaith]

Seriously, you're wasting your time here. We will never trade in the New Covenant for your deceitful version of the old covenant with all it's costumes and ceremonies and it's earthly priesthood.

how can jesus be high priest without low priests of the same order?

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are in some serious denial.

Seriously, you're wasting your time here. We will never trade in the New Covenant for your deceitful version of the old covenant with all it's costumes and ceremonies and it's earthly priesthood.

That's okay because I'm not here to "convert" you to Catholicism.
I'm ONLY here to expose you so that all of the people reading your lies can read about the truth as well.

If you convert in the process - then hooray for God - not me.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

THANK GOD my salvation doesn't depend on what YOU think.

Also - I already told you that I don't "worship" the Church - but I DO wporship what it represents.
Time for a Bible lesson . . .

THIS is what the Church is:
- The Church is the Body of Christ and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8).

- Jesus said that HE is the Light of the World (John 8:12).
Jesus also said that His Church is the Light of the world (Matt. 5:14).

- Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6).

- The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).

- The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).

- Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).

- Jesus promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).

- Jesus told the leaders of His Church that WHATEVER they bound or loosed on earth would ALSO be bound and loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, John 20:21-23).

- Jesus also told them that whoever listens to or rejects His Church also listens to or rejects HIM and the ONE who sent Him (Luke 10:16).

Sooooo, if the Church is the LIGHT of the world, the BODY and the FULLNESS of Christ, the pillar and foundation of Truth with Supreme Authority that WHATEVER it ordains on earth will also be ordained in Heaven - that whoever listens to or rejects it also listens to or rejects HIM and has a guarantee that the Holy Spirit will guide it to ALL truth - then I'd be a FOOL not to do what His Church says.

And this means I need the Catholic priesthood for what now? My Bible says I can go directly to God myself. I don't need no Catholic priesthood to do that! I don't need your Catholic church! Nobody does! Get with the New Covenant, man!