new version of OSAS?

[BloodBought 1953]

No, I'm pretty sure 'falling from grace' is when you reject grace and you go back to sinning. Walking in grace, overcoming sin, is NOT falling from grace, lol.

No, I'm pretty sure 'falling from grace' is when you reject grace and you go back to sinning. Walking in grace, overcoming sin, is NOT falling from grace, lol.

I will not argue “ falling from Grace “ .....you just can’t make it mean anything that you you want it to.....it is VERY well defined .... it is NOT “ going back to Sinning” , you made that up... ...... Newbies — Read Galatians 5:4— HERE is what the Bible say “ falling from Grace” REALLY means—-“ Those Of you that are trying to be put right with God By The Law are Severed from Christ....you are Outside Of the Grace Of God....” can we all agree that is a precarious place to be ? Outside of Grace? Wow....Grace is the only thing that saved anyone that was ever saved and now you are “ outside” of it? Maybe it “ DOES” equate Damnation! The jury is out on that one....

Perhaps Gal 1:8 is even MORE pertinent ...the True Gospel is the death, burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.....nothing about repenting Of all of your sins before you die —- Nothing about the complete avoidance of

sins done on purpose ( Willful Sins) ....no matter how “ good” these things sound....no matter how much they “ tickle the ears” of those that push these things for Salvation...( they “sound good” to the Proud—- it lets them be “ Co- Saviors”—- they just gotta do “ something” to EARN their Salvation....)

The True Gospel that Saves 1Cor 15:1-4. Anything added to that is a “Different” Gospel——a False,Perverted Gospel......if you Fall for it, you will “Fall From Grace” —— Perhaps the equivalent of Damnation....perhaps not....

However , make no mistake about it—— if you PREACH this False Gospel , you are “ Accursed” or in other words , you are Damned.....

Many here need to REPENT of their preaching False, “added to” Gospels......Why do so many of you out there and in here
simply refuse to Believe that Jesus died for your Sins and rose from the Grave and leave it at that instead of trying to Add to it......you may be in severe Jeopardy.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

2 Peter 1:2-11 would be a good thing to study. Especially those last verses of who is assured of a place in heaven.

2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Also, look at what John says about looking forward to heaven. They agree.

1 John 3:3
3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

You are focusing your teaching on sinning, and not holiness. I wonder how many of your followers will actually be in heaven, and not hell where they would be more comfortable.

Your Personal “holiness” is a joke.....just as is any “Righteousness ”you think that you may have—- these traits are both “Imputed ” To Those That Trust in Jesus Plus Nothing to Save them...

You want to convince me that you are “holy ?”.......let me speak for three minutes with your husband or best friend....lol.....we’ ll soon see how “Holy” you are !

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It's not about encouraging more sin. It's about treating with contempt the gift that set you free from your sin. That makes God very angry. You won't like it when God gets angry.

How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine; I will repay,”f and again, “The Lord will judge His people.”g It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:29-31​

When you go beyond “ Nothing But The Blood “ and try to add to it——“THAT” is when you “Trample” the Blood—- as if our pitiful attempts to Merit Salvation or to be “Co- Saviors” by our performance of repenting Of Sins Before we die or abstaining from willful sins could hold a candle to the most precious thing in this Universe—- the Shed Blood Of Jesus Christ ..

 

[BloodBought 1953]

No, I'm pretty sure 'falling from grace' is when you reject grace and you go back to sinning. Walking in grace, overcoming sin, is NOT falling from grace, lol.

Read Galatians.....Anybody out there! .....read it....Then tell me that I am wrong...you are talking nonsense here.....that is why you are “ pretty sure” you are right and I am 100% SURE that I am....a ten year old could see it..... if they had “ eyes to see” , perhaps....

 

[Tong2020]

Every day I thank the Lord for a lot of things. Among of which is for the faith He had given me and for ever keeping me in Christ every day that He gave me to live this earthly life.

I am pretty sure many of you here do as well or had thanked Him as well for the faith you now have and for keeping you in Christ.

But come to think of it, my thanking Him for that came to me, not because I came to realize that I should, though we should. Rather, it came to and comes to me, as breathing is to me. How about in your case? Pause for a while and think about that matter. For so, I am confident that you will realize the truth concerning your salvation.

Tong
R3558

 

[BloodBought 1953]

And yet you do! You say almost all your sinning is on purpose. You're a walking contradiction! You just say what you think is the right thing to say as seems fitting. That's why I've said you are a text book Christian, not an experiential one. You learned theology (an erroneous one at that), not Christ. You say what you're supposed to say as a Christian, not what you actually know from experience.

With all due respect—— you have no idea what you are talking about....you have no idea about my “ experiences—— if you did, you would be “Floored”


Me? A “Textbook Christian ?” That would Be your biggest Error yet in saying that....yeah, ALL of us “ textbook Christians” have not been in a regular “ church” for over 50 years....

I don’t doubt your sincerity, but you just don’t know a thing about me and my experiences....honestly,I am just about the polar opposite of everything you think.....even a broken clock is correct twice a day.....you can’t even match “ that” level of getting anything about me right....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

That's not what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 5:5. You've been lied to. We all have. Read your Bible for yourself and stop learning theology and start learning God. Read your Bible for yourself.

I bet that I have read the Bible at least ten times more than you....And that is a moot point anyway....a guy that reads it once and UNDERSTANDS it is better off than people that read it a million times and don’t get it....it takes the help of the Holy Spirit or you are flipping pages for no reason...I think that might be true in your case and I don't say That to be mean....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Purposely sinning is not resting in the gospel.



Of course not. “ Purposely Sinning “

is just going to get one in Big Trouble with Big Chastisements headed your way.... that’s why this type of sinning will rapidly decrease in the Life Of one who Rests in the Gospel Of Grace...Grace Rejectors don’t “ get” this....


“ Resting in the Gospel” means that you know that because you actually Believed that first half of the Gospel that says “ Jesus died for your Sins” , means that you can never go to Hell for any reason ....if Jesus died for your sins, what sins are left to condemn you ? It makes no difference....those “ in Christ” have passed from Death unto Life and can “ NEVER come under Condemnation” anyway....

You just want to see “ Condemnation” hit those that Jesus said were immune to it.....you reject the Grace That He offers —— not me! I am like Paul.....I don’t “ hold back the Grace Of God” .....Paul and I are wise enough to see our need for it...that is a sign that we are close to God.....that is because the closer you get to God, the farther away one sees himself....

Knowing I can sin and never go to Hell ? Carnal people would think that that would be a great reason to go out and sin with abandon....The Truth is just the opposite ...
I sit here and think “ Wow, If I “wanted” to , I could go out and sin up a storm, the price for my Sinning has been paid for in full ....I could still go to Heaven! That is all True, to me “ All things are Lawful” —- I can do what I “ want” now. The question is, what do I want ? The answer is , I want to obey my Father . I am a “ Free man” who chooses willingly to trade his “ freedom” into becoming a Slave....Christianity sure is wild, isn’t it? It certainly is nothing close to what most people think it is.... some will never understand it.....that's a shame....

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@Ferris Bueller

No one can accuse you of having no patience (LOL). You demonstrate this scripture quite well:

"And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth" (2 Timothy 2:24-25)

 

[Corlove13]

That passage has always spurred my thoughts...
And I have a take on it.....
But I guess I should be able to explain first why the Old Covenant could never purify the conscience.

Then move here...in 1Peter 3:21 and 1John 1:7

Hebrews 9:14, NIV: "How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!"

This is up for discussion..
My Other question is to enter the New Cov. Do you need to be Justified First?

So to continue with the answer I found:
Galatians 3:2-14
11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified
before God, because “the righteous will live by
faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the
contrary, it says, “The person who does these things
will live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the
curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is
written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a
pole.” 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing
given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles
through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might
receive the promise of the Spirit.

So then to enter the New cov one needs to be Justified ...

Now to the first question in what I received but has still yet to settle in my mind: is how my spouse explained. SPOUSE LAUGHED KNOWING THE EXPLANATION WOULD BE FUNNY.

MICHAEL JACKSON COULD TRY TO CHANGE HIS SKIN COLOR AND LOOK WHITE BUT ON THE INSIDE HE WAS STILL BLACK.....THIS WAS WHY THE OLD COVENANT COULD NEVER PURIFY THE CONSCIENCE.

GEE I THINK IT CLICKED...LOL
But this is not what Hebrews says. But I think It's coming clearer. BASICALLY THE NATURE OF MEN STAYED THE SAME. SAME HEART NO CHANGE.

THEREFORE A NEW HEART AND A NEW SPIRIT WOULD FIX THE ISSUE.

NOW UNWARD TO 1 Peter 3:21
What is the Baptism that saves us now...
Now this is my view and I am not dogmatic about the word choice

So in my opinionation the question that should be asked is what is the enquiry? And that would be how do we get the conscience clean? What is that going to take?

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

What can we say about the Ark? We can say that it was faithful....secure, and it did what it was intended for. And the the wrath of God did not harm anyone who dwelled in it. So the Conclusion is? It was their clear conscience before God that they would not meet death.

And our clear conscience before God is abiding in or with the Spirit of CHRIST. For what is Found in the resurrection? The life giving Spirit. And it is through this Spirit that we are free from condemnation. Therefore the Baptism under the new Covenant, unlike the old In the aspects of ritual washings...is How our conscience is Washed continually while we are on earth...that is through the living abiding Spirit of God.

Therefore it is living by the Spirit, and there,
the Spirit that is the Baptism.

It is The Spirit that gives life the flesh profits nothing. JESUS SAID THESE WORDS I SPEAK TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE....BUT IT IS ALSO WRITTEN TO NOT BE A HEARER OF THE WORD BUT A DOER.....JESUS LIVED BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDED FROM THE MOUTH OF God....I figure that was His meat He had to eat...to do the fathers will. AND symbolic of the realty is WE HAVE COMMUNION WHEN WE TAKE IN THE BREAD AND BLOOD OF CHRIST.......note communion...that gives an intimate relationship.

 

[Tong2020]

Do you have relationship with God and Jesus Christ? Many would answer to the affirmative on that. Next question is, what relationship do you have with God? Is it a Father and son/daughter (legitimate child that is), or what?

Tong
R3559

 

[Corlove13]

So to continue with the answer I found:
Galatians 3:2-14
11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified
before God, because “the righteous will live by
faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the
contrary, it says, “The person who does these things
will live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the
curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is
written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a
pole.” 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing
given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles
through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might
receive the promise of the Spirit.

So then to enter the New cov one needs to be Justified ...

Now to the first question in what I received but has still yet to settle in my mind: is how my spouse explained. SPOUSE LAUGHED KNOWING THE EXPLANATION WOULD BE FUNNY.

MICHAEL JACKSON COULD TRY TO CHANGE HIS SKIN COLOR AND LOOK WHITE BUT ON THE INSIDE HE WAS STILL BLACK.....THIS WAS WHY THE OLD COVENANT COULD NEVER PURIFY THE CONSCIENCE.

GEE I THINK IT CLICKED...LOL
But this is not what Hebrews says. But I think It's coming clearer. BASICALLY THE NATURE OF MEN STAYED THE SAME. SAME HEART NO CHANGE.

THEREFORE A NEW HEART AND A NEW SPIRIT WOULD FIX THE ISSUE.

NOW UNWARD TO 1 Peter 3:21
What is the Baptism that saves us now...
Now this is my view and I am not dogmatic about the word choice

So in my opinionation the question that should be asked is what is the enquiry? And that would be how do we get the conscience clean? What is that going to take?

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

What can we say about the Ark? We can say that it was faithful....secure, and it did what it was intended for. And the the wrath of God did not harm anyone who dwelled in it. So the Conclusion is? It was their clear conscience before God that they would not meet death.

And our clear conscience before God is abiding in or with the Spirit of CHRIST. For what is Found in the resurrection? The life giving Spirit. And it is through this Spirit that we are free from condemnation. Therefore the Baptism under the new Covenant, unlike the old In the aspects of ritual washings...is How our conscience is Washed continually while we are on earth...that is through the living abiding Spirit of God.

Therefore it is living by the Spirit, and there,
the Spirit that is the Baptism.

It is The Spirit that gives life the flesh profits nothing. JESUS SAID THESE WORDS I SPEAK TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE....BUT IT IS ALSO WRITTEN TO NOT BE A HEARER OF THE WORD BUT A DOER.....JESUS LIVED BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDED FROM THE MOUTH OF God....I figure that was His meat He had to eat...to do the fathers will. AND symbolic of the realty is WE HAVE COMMUNION WHEN WE TAKE IN THE BREAD AND BLOOD OF CHRIST.......note communion...that gives an intimate relationship.

So I said all this to say....their is a Baptism that allows us to be in communion...

And I believe it is what I think God did with Abraham...

When He told Him to walk before Him Blameless and He would make a Covenant with Him. Therefore my question about does one need to be Justified before they enter the new Covenant.

BUT NOW THAT LEAVES SOME QUESTIONS?
FIRST, WHAT WAS THE COVENANT GOD MADE WITH ABRAHAM?

AND 2ND, HOW MANY TIMES WAS ABRAHAM JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD?

My goal is to show How Life begins now on earth......
For if this is shown...then maybe OSASERS
Will stop jumping from believing something Jesus did ..............jump........................to secure heaven when they die.

Because where the Jump is....is the miss application of scriptures[meaning leaving out that the spirit [life] that is given.
for in living by it our our character is changed.
And we come to be blameless before God. Meaning we naturally do what is our new character, which upholds the law and where God communes with us...

Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. ... And so we know and rely on the love God has for us

 

[Ferris Bueller]

the True Gospel is the death, burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.....nothing about repenting Of all of your sins before you die

You argue so vigorously for the correct definition of 'repent', and then you turn right around and use it as if it means sinless perfection.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

the True Gospel is the death, burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.....nothing about repenting Of all of your sins before you die —- Nothing about the complete avoidance of

sins done on purpose ( Willful Sins)

The person who is living in willful, habitual sin belongs to the devil and is not born again....

The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start.

Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
1 John 3:8-9​

That doesn't mean the born again person doesn't sin. It means he does not seek to purposely live in sin as a matter of lifestyle. But you say John is wrong. You say 'Christians' who DO practice sin and go on purposely sinning are born again.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

However , make no mistake about it—— if you PREACH this False Gospel , you are “ Accursed” or in other words , you are Damned.

Ah, yes, of course. Teaching against your 'super abounding grace' gospel is the sin that God's grace does not super abound over.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Read Galatians.....Anybody out there! .....read it....Then tell me that I am wrong...you are talking nonsense here.....that is why you are “ pretty sure” you are right and I am 100% SURE that I am....a ten year old could see it..... if they had “ eyes to see” , perhaps....

Both, the legalist, and the super-duper 'I can do whatever I want' hyper free-gracer have this in common......they both live in disobedience to God's commands, because they are fallen from grace........the grace, had they still had it, would enable them to live in a lifestyle of obedience to God's commands.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I could go out and sin up a storm, the price for my Sinning has been paid for in full ....I could still go to Heaven! That is all True, to me “ All things are Lawful” —- I can do what I “ want” now.

Since when does paying the price for my sins make things like adultery and stealing and lying lawful for me now?

Don't you realize you're literally saying grace is your lawful, legal license to sin? The very thing we've been saying you're doing but which you have denied.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

"If anyone does not love the Lord, let him be under a curse." 1 Corinthians 16:22

Remember the criteria by which Jesus will judge you and whether you go to the left and into the fire or to the right and into the kingdom? Whether or not you love him by loving others. You show your contempt for Christ and how little you value his grace when you purposely sin. Ain't no grace abounding to that person. God forbid!​

I Love the Lord because I understand and live in His Grace, so you can toss that false claim out the window going out the gate....

Regardless....you are not going to be judged by your “ love”.....Paul said that you will be judged by “ his Gospel”..... try to be Biblical instead of just throwing things out there that sound good and that you have heard in your churches over the years....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You argue so vigorously for the correct definition of 'repent', and then you turn right around and use it as if it means sinless perfection.

This is the nuttiest thing you have said yet...yeah, i’m All About “ sinless perfection”..... that’s as ignorant as “ Lucky Repentance” and overcoming all willful sins to be Saved....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Since when does paying the price for my sins make things like adultery and stealing and lying lawful for me now?

Don't you realize you're literally saying grace is your lawful, legal license to sin? The very thing we've been saying you're doing but which you have denied.

Who needs a “ License to sin” ......you and me and everybody else does just fine without one! We all sin every hour of every day. How’s your “ thought life”, Ferris? We all have Secret thoughts that would shame Hell....if you break just one Law , you have broken them all, and I can guarantee that you don’t EVEN want to talk about your millions of “ sins of omission” .....God's got us all trapped like rats....those that reject Grace don’t have a prayer....I bask in it ....and I am not Fool enough to think that I can try to take advantage of it and get away with it...

There is no such thing as “ a license to Sin” —— people that think they “ DO” have that license will soon find out otherwise if they are a Child Of God..