new version of OSAS?

[BloodBought 1953]

It depends on why you are doing that. Are you just doing that in a passing moment of stupidity, or are you doing it because you don't value the free gift you have received? If you're doing it because of a choice to not care about the grace you have received in Christ, you're going to the fiery place when Christ returns. Because that's where unbelieving Christ rejecters go at the end of the age. They do not enter into the kingdom of God. Weak believers engaged in an honest struggle with sin will go in, but blatant Christ rejecters trampling on the blood that sanctified them won't. God is gracious. If anyone has been doing things like that on purpose and not out of a legitimate struggle with sin it may not be too late to turn away from that foolishness and get it right with God again.

It’s just the latest Variation Of “ Jesus Saves—— BUT!” “ Jesus Saves BUT if you don’t “value” things enough.....you are damned.....”

You made a gigantic leap from those who lack gratitude to those that are “ unbelieving Christ Rejectors who Trample the Blood Of Jesus “.... Lol....I hope people noticed that little “ sleight Of hand “.... the latter is True, !ife-Time Rejectors Of Jesus are damned.....a Foolish Believer That Stumbles and gives in to his Old Adamic Nature will be Chastised....he may even be struck dead......But he is NOT damned.....

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I wonder why Jesus did not attach your little “Condition” for Justification when He told His Story.....He must have “ forgot “ that little part—— He Just loves to trip people up, by not revealing the Entire Truth Of The Parable.... Lol.....

He did. Remember John 5:24? 'Believe' is in the present tense. The promises are for those who presently believe, not for those who used to believe, or never believed.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I see.......Grace is only there when you don’t need it....Lol.....Grace Rejectors must really get their panties in a knot when they read” where Sin Abounds....Grace SUPER abounds......”

Apparently you ignored this verse every time @Michiah-Imla posted it.....

Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. Romans 6:1-2
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God forbids you to continue in sin so that grace may abound. That's making grace a license to sin. Grace abounds to the believer, not the Christ rejecter who goes back to his old life of sin. Grace was not given to you so you can purposely sin, making it a license to sin. God forbid!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

No, that's my faith........faith expressing itself through love (the summation of the law). My work would be me trying to be obedient in order to EARN my salvation. I'm not doing that. And neither is anyone else here. You just think we are because you don't know the difference between faith expressing itself through the obedience of love, and obedience trying to earn salvation.

Lol....I know a lot more than you “ think “ I do....I don’t think you are trying to EARN your Salvation with good works.....if you did that, you would be damned......

I don’t think you are “ damned” —- I’ve Said as much before....several times....

I only accuse you of “ Adding to the Gospel” by saying , “ Jesus Saves....BUT, you can’t commit any Willful Sins”. I believe you have “ Fallen From Grace” and I HOPE that does not mean Damnation....Smarter people than you and I say different sometimes.....so why gamble? You need to “ let yourself off the hook” and “ enter into His Rest”......You can’t live “ The Abundant Life” That Jesus spoke of while you still have to ” sweat” nah Sins done on purpose...if you had any “ Spiritual Insight”, you would know that almost ALL of your Sins are “ WILLFUL” .....when you do wrong , you got that little voice in your head that lets you know it a split second before you do it and you do it anyway— Willfully .....or maybe you have never gone over the speed limit knowingly......lol.....

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Carnal, Confused and weak people think that that attitude will encourage more sin.

It's not about encouraging more sin. It's about treating with contempt the gift that set you free from your sin. That makes God very angry. You won't like it when God gets angry.

How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine; I will repay,”f and again, “The Lord will judge His people.”g It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:29-31​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

It’s just the latest Variation Of “ Jesus Saves—— BUT!” “ Jesus Saves BUT if you don’t “value” things enough.....you are damned.....”

"If anyone does not love the Lord, let him be under a curse." 1 Corinthians 16:22

Remember the criteria by which Jesus will judge you and whether you go to the left and into the fire or to the right and into the kingdom? Whether or not you love him by loving others. You show your contempt for Christ and how little you value his grace when you purposely sin. Ain't no grace abounding to that person. God forbid!​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You made a gigantic leap from those who lack gratitude to those that are “ unbelieving Christ Rejectors who Trample the Blood Of Jesus “.... Lol....I hope people noticed that little “ sleight Of hand “.

"If anyone does not love the Lord, let him be under a curse." 1 Corinthians 16:22​

 

[CharismaticLady]

I would rather teach what makes the true version of our assurance. And it has to do with not only being made free from sin, but abiding in Him, and He in us so that all we want to do is be pleasing in His sight.

1 John 3:21-24

Those who are really looking forward to heaven purify themselves. 1 John 3:3

 

[Ferris Bueller]

a Foolish Believer That Stumbles and gives in to his Old Adamic Nature will be Chastised....he may even be struck dead......But he is NOT damned.

Right, a BELIEVER struggling with sin in his love for God, not the Christ rejecter purposely sinning in contempt of the grace he has received.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You need to “ let yourself off the hook” and “ enter into His Rest”.

And what, start sinning purposely? That's entering into his rest? Don't you know that the rest that the believer enters into is rest FROM SIN? The person who sins on purpose is exiting God's rest, not entering into it. God forbid!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

if you had any “ Spiritual Insight”, you would know that almost ALL of your Sins are “ WILLFUL”

I have to question your spiritual insight if you think almost all your sins are on purpose. Repentance is a change of mind. If you're still living in sin on purpose you haven't changed your mind about it. A change of mind about sin means a fight against sin, not purposely living in it. Purposely living in sin is the sign of unbelief—a rejection of Christ. Trust in Christ is signified by NOT purposely living in sin. You are resting in Christ when you are NOT sinning. God's rest is a rest from the task master of sin. Sabbath rest from sin is the sign you are in covenant with God.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Lol....I know a lot more than you “ think “ I do....I don’t think you are trying to EARN your Salvation with good works.....if you did that, you would be damned......

I don’t think you are “ damned” —- I’ve Said as much before....several times....

I only accuse you of “ Adding to the Gospel” by saying , “ Jesus Saves....BUT, you can’t commit any Willful Sins”. I believe you have “ Fallen From Grace” and I HOPE that does not mean Damnation....Smarter people than you and I say different sometimes.....so why gamble? You need to “ let yourself off the hook” and “ enter into His Rest”......You can’t live “ The Abundant Life” That Jesus spoke of while you still have to ” sweat” nah Sins done on purpose...if you had any “ Spiritual Insight”, you would know that almost ALL of your Sins are “ WILLFUL” .....when you do wrong , you got that little voice in your head that lets you know it a split second before you do it and you do it anyway— Willfully .....or maybe you have never gone over the speed limit knowingly......lol.....

2 Peter 1:2-11 would be a good thing to study. Especially those last verses of who is assured of a place in heaven.

2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Also, look at what John says about looking forward to heaven. They agree.

1 John 3:3
3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

You are focusing your teaching on sinning, and not holiness. I wonder how many of your followers will actually be in heaven, and not hell where they would be more comfortable.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Apparently you ignored this verse every time @Michiah-Imla posted it.....

Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. Romans 6:1-2
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God forbids you to continue in sin so that grace may abound. That's making grace a license to sin. Grace abounds to the believer, not the Christ rejecter who goes back to his old life of sin. Grace was not given to you so you can purposely sin, making it a license to sin. God forbid!

I am not stupid enough to try to “ continue in Sin” ....why would I even “ want” to ? I have told you that since I became “ a New Creation” with a “ New Heart” , Sinning for me is as pleasurable as sticking my hand in a fire....do you ever read what I post?

I could go out and get drunk on my rear- end , thinking, “ who cares? I’ll do as I please and I’m covered by God's Grace—- Lol... I can “ get away with anything !” Let’s all drink up and have a ball ! There’s no longer any price to pay! Pass the Tequila !

I agree with Charles Stanley and Vernon McGee in this matter......do you think you can “ outsmart” God By doing whatever sin you want to do , making Him regret saying things like “ where sin abounds, grace abounds that much more...” God must think to Himself—“ what was I Thinking?” Hardly. If you want to “ test” God —- have at it! See if He doesn’t take you to the “ woodshed” and give you the A** Whipping Of your life! You likely will not decide to abuse His Grace again.....if the lesson in the woodshed does not “ take” and you continue to try to take advantage of the Grace that it took the Shed Blood Of His Precious Son to purchase , He has the option to strike you dead— Salvation still intact if you are a Believer .....

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I only accuse you of “ Adding to the Gospel” by saying , “ Jesus Saves....BUT, you can’t commit any Willful Sins”. I believe you have “ Fallen From Grace”

No, I'm pretty sure 'falling from grace' is when you reject grace and you go back to sinning. Walking in grace, overcoming sin, is NOT falling from grace, lol.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I am not stupid enough to try to “ continue in Sin” ....why would I even “ want” to ? I have told you that since I became “ a New Creation” with a “ New Heart” , Sinning for me is as pleasurable as sticking my hand in a fire....do you ever read what I post?

And yet you do! You say almost all your sinning is on purpose. You're a walking contradiction! You just say what you think is the right thing to say as seems fitting. That's why I've said you are a text book Christian, not an experiential one. You learned theology (an erroneous one at that), not Christ. You say what you're supposed to say as a Christian, not what you actually know from experience.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I have to question your spiritual insight if you think almost all your sins are on purpose. Repentance is a change of mind. If you're still living in sin on purpose you haven't changed your mind about it. A change of mind about sin means a fight against sin, not purposely living in it. Purposely living in sin is the sign of unbelief—a rejection of Christ. Trust in Christ is signified by NOT purposely living in sin. You are resting in Christ when you are NOT sinning. God's rest is a rest from the task master of sin. Sabbath rest from sin is the sign you are in covenant with God.

Your “change of mind ( metanoia ) “ that saves you is in regard to the acceptance or rejection of Paul ‘Gospel ....Believe it.....Prove you Believe it by Resting in it .....it’s the secret of a successful Christian Walk.....many just can’t believe the first half of that Gospel.....that part that says “ Jesus died for your Sins” .....it is at the Root Of the Legalists perverted “Gospels” ( “which aren’t really Gospels at all “ )

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I could go out and get drunk on my rear- end , thinking, “ who cares? I’ll do as I please and I’m covered by God's Grace—- Lol... I can “ get away with anything !” Let’s all drink up and have a ball ! There’s no longer any price to pay! Pass the Tequila !

No you can not do that. Grace does not abound to that.

Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. Romans 6:1-2
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[Ferris Bueller]

if the lesson in the woodshed does not “ take” and you continue to try to take advantage of the Grace that it took the Shed Blood Of His Precious Son to purchase , He has the option to strike you dead— Salvation still intact if you are a Believer .

That's not what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 5:5. You've been lied to. We all have. Read your Bible for yourself and stop learning theology and start learning God. Read your Bible for yourself.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

where sin abounds, grace abounds that much more.

That does not mean you can purposely sin and grace covers it. Don't you read the Bible for yourself? Read it in context and you'll see he's saying where the law condemned fallen man all the more, so God's grace overcame that increase in condemnation all the more.

The law came in so that the trespass would increase; but where sin increased, grace increased all the more Romans 5:20
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Increased grace doesn't make it so you can sin more. Grace increased all the more when the law increased man's condemnation.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Your “change of mind ( metanoia ) “ that saves you is in regard to the acceptance or rejection of Paul ‘Gospel ....Believe it.....Prove you Believe it by Resting in it .

Purposely sinning is not resting in the gospel. Purposely sinning shows you haven't changed your mind about anything. You're not at rest. You're a slave to the taskmaster of sin. Entering into God's rest means entering into rest from your sinful works.....

For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work Hebrews 4:10​