new version of OSAS?

[Cooper]

Lot and David were Wicked .....they are both Dead “ Heroes Of Faith”...... Damned? Not a chance....

Satan always has an answer.
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[Addy]

LOL ... BB... me thinks Mr.Cooper is NOT happy with you....

 

[Cooper]

He was a Wise Satanist....
Wiser than you, probably....
Sounds-like you could learn from him.....

You're telling me I could learn from a Satanist! Get out of here. Now you are showing your true colours.
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[Taken]

If you stop believing the doctrine of OSAS are you saved?

Starting or stopping believing OSAS IS NOT Gods teaching of HOW one becomes SAVED.

OSAS is the Understanding, by "Gods Works" a man "IS" SAVED ONCE and FOREVER.

It "appears" some men believe;
God Works FAIL, and Multiple Savings ARE necessary;
Or
Man has greater POWER than God, and the man can "UNSAVE" himself, AFTER God has SAVED him.

Maybe you (being against OSAS) could clear up what "appears" some men believe...and definitively reveal Scriptural teaching that...
Clearly teaches...
* God having Saved a man, fails and Gods Saving must be repeated.
OR;
* A Saved Man has greater Power than God, to Unsave himself.
OR;
* whatever else is "your" reasoning to NOT Believe Gods Saving of a man IS Once and Forever.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I could learn from a Satanist! Now you are showing your true colours.
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Glad you liked it! Want more?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Satan always has an answer.
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Yes.....and you are Proof Of That .

 

[Cooper]

Yes.....and you are Proof Of That .

You accuse me of being Satan! Get out of here.
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[Cooper]

Glad you liked it! Want more?

No more wickedness, thank you.
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[BloodBought 1953]

You accuse me of being Satan! Get out of here.
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Sure, Cooper, sure.....you are “ Satan”— whatever you want to think.....how old are you?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

No more wickedness, thank you.
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I can understand why you would confuse Truth with “ wickedness”......

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Sorry, but I have better things to do today than argue with a Child....I need to rearrange my Spice Rack ......go back to your “ Weekly Reader”......

 

[Taken]

By saying God's Grace covers everything, you are making Jesus the condoner of wickedness.
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God Himself created and made mankind.
God Himself created and made mankind with Freewill, to choose what the man will.
God Himself created Good and Evil.
God Himself gave mankind His Knowledge, of consequences for a man to freely choose good or evil.

Does God condone Evil/ Wickedness ?
In the sense God "approves" of Evil ?
Yes.
God Approves of Everything He created.
* To say otherwise, is to say, God is in disagreement with Himself, which is false.

Isa 45:
[7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.

Does God condone Evil/Wickedness ?
In the sense God "encourages" Evil ?
No.
God revealed what is Good, what is Evil (according to God Himself).
God reveals repeatedly in His Word, His "encouragement" for men to exercise "their" Freewill and choose Good.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Addy]

God Himself created and made mankind.
God Himself created and made mankind with Freewill, to choose what the man will.
God Himself created Good and Evil.
God Himself gave mankind His Knowledge, of consequences for a man to freely choose good or evil.

Does God condone Evil/ Wickedness ?
In the sense God "approves" of Evil ?
Yes.
God Approves of Everything He created.
* To say otherwise, is to say, God is in disagreement with Himself, which is false.

Isa 45:
[7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.

Does God condone Evil/Wickedness ?
In the sense God "encourages" Evil ?
No.
God revealed what is Good, what is Evil (according to God Himself).
God reveals repeatedly in His Word, His "encouragement" for men to exercise "their" Freewill and choose Good.

Glory to God,
Taken

I actually understood this... and I believe I agree...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That question makes no sense... If one stops believing they are secure in their salvation... the only other option is to believe they are NOT secure... and that will lead to much misery and fear. Thought I would answer the question anyways... even though I am on IGNORE a lot here... LOL

If one stops believing that rain falls from the sky... Does it stop the rain from falling??

I still want to know. What did God fail to do that causes a person to lose faith?

 

[Taken]

...I need to rearrange my Spice Rack ......

LOL...Oh, oh the "important works"

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Reminder the Forum is about OSAS..

And why are people scared to receive @amigo de christo warnings, because it challenges their belief system that their comfortable with.

Yes, the forum is about OSAS.

However. if the people in the forum prove they do not understand OSAS. then we should focus on explaining why OSAS realy is that way we get rid of the false accusations and alot of the fighting would cease.

 

[Addy]

I still want to know. What did God fail to do that causes a person to lose faith?

I don't think I have an exact answer to that... however... legalism adds all kinds of false and unnecessary burdens on the believer... therefore... the "fruits" of this doctrine are... weariness... frustration... judgement... guilt ... shame... and anger... as well as jealousy... the need to constantly focus on behaviour and sin is exhausting... they never get the chance to re-charge and re-fresh their spirits... thus becoming very miserable and unhappy.... not to mention a very negative people...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Here is something I came to see as an Osaser

Is that you have to believe a particular doctrine to be saved.

Believing the doctrine is something you are doing to be saved....

This is the legalism....and where the boasting stems from....the meanness on the thread...

For you believe you are better and have the right to judge and say whatever you like because you believe you are better off..

Legalism always comes with an attitude...

So the outcome of what one truly believes is in their actions.

The Foundation is not trusting the Belief System of Osas....

The Foundation as scripture says, and obviously not my opinion is "Jesus"

So Trust Jesus in Him you will find everything you need.

One can say He is savior but can we say He is Lord?

OSAS is not about believing a doctrine

It is about what is true about a person who IS saved.

This is exactly what I mean about people not really knowing what OSAS is.

osas in the name starts.

ONCE SAVED

no place in it is the term HOW SAVED

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So here's a little story.Some members of my family's church contracted Covid-19... ( these are the legalistic ones I have mentioned in the past ). All week I have been hearing from my niece about what has been happening... and it is a PRIME example of how the legalists behave.

Instead of encouraging one another and uplifting each other in prayer... they started playing the blame game... they all went on high alert mode to try and keep this "secret" hush hush from the public... so as NOT to APPEAR bad.

You know what happened??? Our city newspaper printed an article... COVID-19 outbreak at local church... The church has been named... and oh my goodness... the tongues are wagging and the fingers are pointing.. they are all turning on each other.... That is what LEGALISM breeds... and it is UGLY.

the questions is.

Who sinned and caused this horrific disease.

Sounds like when the jews asked this question. Sad!

 

[Taken]

I still want to know. What did God fail to do that causes a person to lose faith?

It's not what God "failed" to do.
It is what God DID and...
what men fail to do.

God Freely gives measures of FAITH, "without" a Commitment/Conversion, to any man who Hears the Word of God.

God Freely gives men "receiving" measures of Faith, (without a Commitment/Conversion), A TASTE of His Blessings. The TASTE of Gods Blessings is Precisely VIA, Gods Holy Spirit, being "WITH" the man Hearing, and receiving a measure of Gods Gift of Faith.

Zero failure on Gods part.

The same man, (without a Commitment/Conversion), is enjoying a TASTE, of Gods Blessings, and Gods Holy Spirit WITH the man.

BECAUSE the man has NOT MADE a (Heartful) Commitment to be (by Gods Works), MADE Converted...
That man, MAY AT ANY TIME, "STOP" Hearing the Word of God, "STOP" receiving measures of Faith, "STOP" having the Holy Spirit WITH HIM
* That man is called, Having Fallen from Faith.
(THAT man IS NOT erroneously, called by some men... Having been Saved, THEN LOST his SALVATION).

God gives mankind opportunity to Hear...
God gives mankind opportunity to Experience in Small measures, of PROPHECY (THAT on a Large Scale), shall come to pass.

Glory to God,
Taken