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[jaybird]

jaybird,

Why are you confusing the compassion of Jesus and his followers with the brutal sinful actions of some people? You have an agenda that doesn't want to see that Buddhist compassion is not the same as Christian compassion.

You don't seem to want to understand that there are examples of Buddhist extremism as well. See: http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2015/05/29/4245049.htm

'Why are Buddhists committing genocide again?' This is happening right now but you are turning a blind eye to this. You seem to be captivated by blindness to Buddhist atrocities around the world. They are hardly examples of the Buddhist compassion you are trying to promote.

Admit it. There are Christians and Buddhists who are not good practitioners of their worldviews. They are sinful rebels without God.

Oz

im not saying buddhism is the answer we need. its not an us against them thing to me.

 

[jaybird]

That doesn't answer my issue with your philosophy, jaybird.

The 'other sheep' are people who come into God's kingdom God's way and not through a way you and I might like to invent. See John 14:6 (ESV); Acts 4:12 (ESV). There is no other way into the kingdom than through Jesus Christ and his salvation.

Your Jesus in the UK, India, North and Central America, is not different to the alleged Jesus in all kinds of other religions. Islam has its version of Asa (Jesus) and his is not the Son of God. We are dealing with truth vs falsehood. Do you practise the law of non-contradiction or not?

Oz

Jesus said He had other sheep to go to. i believe Him when He said that.

 

[OzSpen]

im not saying buddhism is the answer we need. its not an us against them thing to me.

Now deal with the specifics of what I wrote at #237. You are a whiz at avoidance.

 

[OzSpen]

Jesus said He had other sheep to go to. i believe Him when He said that.

Now tell me who the Scriptures state they are, instead of giving this nebulous statement.

 

[mjrhealth]

The more we know of God's word the more we know of God.

The more time you spend with Christ the more you will know Him, the more time you spend with God teh more you will know Him the more time you sepend in teh bible the more you will know the bible as for Christ and elders He certainly had little respect for them.

Joh 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
As for Scripture as He said,

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

But on your insistance that He doesnt speak anymore??

 

[mjrhealth]

Jesus said He had other sheep to go to. i believe Him when He said that.

Chrits sheep, as teh bible puts it are those who hear His voice, when we speak of gentiles we speak of all those who where not Jews, as Ozpen stated , teh other flock was teh gentiles, but even amogst them though there may be many sheep few belong to Him.

 

[jaybird]

jaybird,

Why are you confusing the compassion of Jesus and his followers with the brutal sinful actions of some people? You have an agenda that doesn't want to see that Buddhist compassion is not the same as Christian compassion.

You don't seem to want to understand that there are examples of Buddhist extremism as well. See: http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2015/05/29/4245049.htm

'Why are Buddhists committing genocide again?' This is happening right now but you are turning a blind eye to this. You seem to be captivated by blindness to Buddhist atrocities around the world. They are hardly examples of the Buddhist compassion you are trying to promote.

Admit it. There are Christians and Buddhists who are not good practitioners of their worldviews. They are sinful rebels without God.

Oz

buddhist and Christians both have issues like you said, i agree.

i dont know enough about the buddhist violence to comment. i read about how shocked people were because its so un common. were the buddhist using buddhist teachings to justify killing like muslims and Christians do or was it violence that escalated? the specific violence im refering to is when Christians use the faith to justify conquest of other people. they are not Christians, lets kill em, ohh yeah and take their wealth. it was always about greed and Jesus tever taught that.

 

[OzSpen]

buddhist and Christians both have issues like you said, i agree.

i dont know enough about the buddhist violence to comment. i read about how shocked people were because its so un common. were the buddhist using buddhist teachings to justify killing like muslims and Christians do or was it violence that escalated? the specific violence im refering to is when Christians use the faith to justify conquest of other people. they are not Christians, lets kill em, ohh yeah and take their wealth. it was always about greed and Jesus tever taught that.

Now be specific and tell us to which Christians you are referring when you are referring to Christians who kill others for their wealth. You have a habit of stating in generalities and not documenting what you say.

 

[StanJ]

The more time you spend with Christ the more you will know Him, the more time you spend with God teh more you will know Him the more time you sepend in teh bible the more you will know the bible as for Christ and elders He certainly had little respect for them.

Nobody learns in a vacuum mjr, including yourself. Psalm 119:11, Romans 10:17, Hebrews 4:12, Ephesians 6:17, to name just a few.

Joh 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
As for Scripture as He said,
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
But on your insistance that He doesnt speak anymore??

Again your problem is being inculcated by the King James version and not really understanding it. I can tell just by the way you type that you have a hard time with basic English so I see no reason why you wouldn't have a harder time with Elizabethan English. Jesus was speaking about Pharisees here not about elders. If you're going to use scripture to defend your position you ought to at least use scripture that actually has something to do with your position.

 

[jaybird]

Now be specific and tell us to which Christians you are referring when you are referring to Christians who kill others for their wealth. You have a habit of stating in generalities and not documenting what you say.

crusades, cathar massacre, Charlemagne saxon executions.
cathars were killed because they had a different Christian opinion. they followed what Jesus taught yet they were killed. they lived peacefully right alongside other non cathor Christians. charlamagne killed the saxons cause they wouldnt convert. he cared nothing of their faith, he was only interested in ruling saxony.
Christianity has lots of blood on its hands. it hasnt always been this way, it didnt start until the faith was taken over by rome. rome killed Jesus, burned down our Lords temple, burned rabbis and church fathers alive, burned our Lords words. rome merges with Christianity, and the killing doesnt stop, but now the church is used to justify the killing. we know Jesus didnt teach these things, how much has our faith been corrupted.

 

[jaybird]

Now tell me who the Scriptures state they are, instead of giving this nebulous statement.

Jesus didnt plainly say only that He had other sheep to go to. there are lots of stories of Jesus in other places. some may be false i agree but are you really going to believe He never saw anyone else when He says He is going to see others?

 

[mjrhealth]

a vacuum mjr,

So is Christ a vacum, when He said He would send us teh Holy Spirirt to teach us teh truth He was just lyinjg, Whe nhe said Hw was knocking on our door waiting for us to let Him in, it was just a prank??

Jer_23:18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?

Must be modern tech made God redundant.

 

[OzSpen]

crusades, cathar massacre, Charlemagne saxon executions.
cathars were killed because they had a different Christian opinion. they followed what Jesus taught yet they were killed. they lived peacefully right alongside other non cathor Christians. charlamagne killed the saxons cause they wouldnt convert. he cared nothing of their faith, he was only interested in ruling saxony.
Christianity has lots of blood on its hands. it hasnt always been this way, it didnt start until the faith was taken over by rome. rome killed Jesus, burned down our Lords temple, burned rabbis and church fathers alive, burned our Lords words. rome merges with Christianity, and the killing doesnt stop, but now the church is used to justify the killing. we know Jesus didnt teach these things, how much has our faith been corrupted.

jaybird,
I do wish you would document your statements. As your statement stands here, it is out of your mind, without historical verification.
What was done to the Cathari in the 11th-13th centuries in the Inquisition of the Roman Catholic Church was terrible. However, as this article indicates, the Cathari were promoters of heresy: 'The Cathari adopted gnostic, dualist (and perhaps Manichaean beliefs) in their theology, espousing a stark distinction between the physical world (seen as evil) and the spiritual world (seen as good). They also embraced the doctrine of reincarnation, which went against the mainstream Christian teaching of resurrection of the dead'.

It's time for you become better informed about the false teaching of the Cathari. Your statement is that 'cathars were killed because they had a different Christian opinion. they followed what Jesus taught'. This is not true. They were promoters of unorthodox teaching. Please learn your history from substantive historical sources.

I think you had better get some further information on Charlemagne & his battle with the Saxons. After converting to Christianity, the Saxons practised paganism. See 'Charlemagne'.

You ask, 'How much has our faith been corrupted?' Who would know! However, your lack of knowledge of what your write about should be a warning for you to get accurate information before you post on a forum like this.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

Jesus didnt plainly say only that He had other sheep to go to. there are lots of stories of Jesus in other places. some may be false i agree but are you really going to believe He never saw anyone else when He says He is going to see others?

However, it was you who said in #242: 'Jesus said He had other sheep to go to. i believe Him when He said that.'

Do you believe what you wrote or not? Now tell us who those 'other sheep' are when you are so confident as to say, 'I believe Him when He said that'.

Since you believe him, now tell us who those other sheep are. Otherwise, it's time to quit the typing about such things.

 

[jaybird]

jaybird,
I do wish you would document your statements. As your statement stands here, it is out of your mind, without historical verification.
What was done to the Cathari in the 11th-13th centuries in the Inquisition of the Roman Catholic Church was terrible. However, as this article indicates, the Cathari were promoters of heresy: 'The Cathari adopted gnostic, dualist (and perhaps Manichaean beliefs) in their theology, espousing a stark distinction between the physical world (seen as evil) and the spiritual world (seen as good). They also embraced the doctrine of reincarnation, which went against the mainstream Christian teaching of resurrection of the dead'.

It's time for you become better informed about the false teaching of the Cathari. Your statement is that 'cathars were killed because they had a different Christian opinion. they followed what Jesus taught'. This is not true. They were promoters of unorthodox teaching. Please learn your history from substantive historical sources.

I think you had better get some further information on Charlemagne & his battle with the Saxons. After converting to Christianity, the Saxons practised paganism. See 'Charlemagne'.

You ask, 'How much has our faith been corrupted?' Who would know! However, your lack of knowledge of what your write about should be a warning for you to get accurate information before you post on a forum like this.

Oz

we have the cathars who only wanted to live in peace and be left alone and the romans who killed them and anyone else who disagreed. also most what we learned of them comes from rome. i dont agree with it, if you want to teach your kids rome had every right to kill these people go right ahead.
so what if saxons believed what they believed. they should be free to believe what they want not forced against their will to believe something they never heard of.

how many people did Jesus kill because they didnt listen or agree with him. do we follow Jesus out of love or fear of being killed?

my lack of knowledge? what did i write that was incorrect?

 

[jaybird]

However, it was you who said in #242: 'Jesus said He had other sheep to go to. i believe Him when He said that.'

Do you believe what you wrote or not? Now tell us who those 'other sheep' are when you are so confident as to say, 'I believe Him when He said that'.

Since you believe him, now tell us who those other sheep are. Otherwise, it's time to quit the typing about such things.

i dont follow what ur asking here?
i believe Jesus went to other people. He said He would. are you wanting me to name them? i dont know for sure and i cant state anything as fact, im just not going to boldly say Jesus never did.

 

[StanJ]

So is Christ a vacum, when He said He would send us teh Holy Spirirt to teach us teh truth He was just lyinjg, Whe nhe said Hw was knocking on our door waiting for us to let Him in, it was just a prank??
Jer_23:18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?
Must be modern tech made God redundant.

No the vacuum it's the one you said you learned in without the word of God. Jesus said he left the Holy Spirit to remind us of his words and to teach us from the word.
I find it amusing how you keep on quoting the Bible to show us that all you need is a relationship with God when in fact you wouldn't know you did need a relationship with God if you didn't have the written word of God.
Seems to me you just want to be able to say whatever comes to your mind without being responsible for it to anyone.

 

[mjrhealth]

said you learned in without the word of God.

Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

I learned and am learning from the word of God,
teh bible is just that the bible for as it says,

2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

For as jesus said

Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

He cant help it if you wont listen to Him.

Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

or as God put it again...

Mat_17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Mar_9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Luk_9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Heb_3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

What are you afraid of, what men might think of you, the propets of old where put to death for following Gods voice.

 

[OzSpen]

we have the cathars who only wanted to live in peace and be left alone and the romans who killed them and anyone else who disagreed. also most what we learned of them comes from rome. i dont agree with it, if you want to teach your kids rome had every right to kill these people go right ahead.
so what if saxons believed what they believed. they should be free to believe what they want not forced against their will to believe something they never heard of.

how many people did Jesus kill because they didnt listen or agree with him. do we follow Jesus out of love or fear of being killed?

my lack of knowledge? what did i write that was incorrect?

You didn't reply to what I wrote. You are off and running with your own kind of reply. That makes your reply a red herring fallacy.

 

[OzSpen]

i believe Jesus went to other people.

'I believe' is not evidence. Where is your evidence that Jesus went to these 'other people'? Who were they?