Lucifer the once beautifully arrayed angel... explain please!

[Raccoon1010]

I read the scripture on Lucifer and seem to remember someone saying they were describing Lucifer as a beautifully arrayed angel.

Can you explain why someone would suggest that, as I didn't see anything like that in scripture.

***edit: The term originally used in the scrolls found that were Isaiah is "O day-star, son of the morning!". I did my research and saw the comments and concluded that no name such as "Lucifer" was ever used in the bible. Have a look at the original Isaiah text from the dead sea scrolls that were found. They are not a product of whoever made the current bible and are free of any problems that might have happened along the way. Digital Dead Sea Scrolls

 

[Stumpmaster]

I read the scripture on Lucifer and seem to remember someone saying they were describing Lucifer as a beautifully arrayed angel.

Can you explain why someone would suggest that, as I didn't see anything like that in scripture.

So what did you read?

 

[Taken]

@dev553344

Hi dev ~

You might want to read…Ezek chapt 28.
As it is speaking of “one”, then applying the beauty and perfection, to another….as the scripture “reveals” specifics of “the Other’s”day of being created, specific place, (garden), specific kind of “angel” (cherub), IOW…specific to Lucifer, and thereafter Satan, (later revealed in Scripture identified, as serpent, devil).

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Aunty Jane]

I read the scripture on Lucifer and seem to remember someone saying they were describing Lucifer as a beautifully arrayed angel.

Can you explain why someone would suggest that, as I didn't see anything like that in scripture.

Actually, satan is never called “Lucifer” in the Bible. He is never given a name at all, only titles that reflect his ugly character. “Satan” means resister and “devil” means slanderer.

So who is Lucifer….?
The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” means “shining one.” The Septuagint uses the Greek word that means “bringer of dawn.” Hence, some translations render the original Hebrew “morning star” or “Daystar.” But Jerome’s Latin Vulgate uses “Lucifer” (light bearer), and this accounts for the appearance of that term in various versions of the Bible.

The expression “shining one,” or “Lucifer,” is found in what Isaiah prophetically commanded the Israelites to pronounce as a “proverbial saying against the king of Babylon.” Thus, it is part of a saying primarily directed at the Babylonian dynasty. That the description “shining one” is given to a man and not to a spirit creature is further seen by the statement: “Down to Sheol you will be brought.” Sheol is the common grave of mankind—not a place occupied by Satan the Devil. Moreover, those seeing Lucifer brought into this condition ask: “Is this the man that was agitating the earth?” Clearly, “Lucifer” refers to a human, not to a spirit creature.(Isaiah 14:4, 15, 16)

 

[Raccoon1010]

@dev553344

Hi dev ~

You might want to read…Ezek chapt 28.
As it is speaking of “one”, then applying the beauty and perfection, to another….as the scripture “reveals” specifics of “the Other’s”day of being created, specific place, (garden), specific kind of “angel” (cherub), IOW…specific to Lucifer, and thereafter Satan, (later revealed in Scripture identified, as serpent, devil).

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

I don't see any connection between this so called Lucifer and Satan or the verse you are mentioning for that matter as I don't see the name Lucifer ever come up in scripture but once. I am brought to Remember there is indoctrinated beliefs of some Christian denominations taught and conveyed by them and it is perpetuated over the years and passed down from generation to generation. I am not saying Lucifer is good. Nor can I see a connection that he is the devil. I do know we are instructed by apostles who do have authority from God by the witness of the Holy Ghost of connections of names used in the bible that indicate the devil. Let me quote that verse:

Revelation 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[ShineTheLight]

I don't see any connection between this so called Lucifer and Satan or the verse you are mentioning for that matter as I don't see the name Lucifer ever come up in scripture but once. I am brought to Remember there is indoctrinated beliefs of some Christian denominations taught and conveyed by them and it is perpetuated over the years and passed down from generation to generation. I am not saying Lucifer is good. Nor can I see a connection that he is the devil. I do know we are instructed by apostles who do have authority from God by the witness of the Holy Ghost of connections of names used in the bible that indicate the devil. Let me quote that verse:

Revelation 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

He became Satan after the fall. Also, it isn't just one guy. Satan is a host. A host of them.

 

[Taken]

I don't see any connection between this so called Lucifer and Satan or the verse you are mentioning for that matter as I don't see the name Lucifer ever come up in scripture but once.

True, Lucifer, an angel, (created before manKIND,) was mentioned by the name Lucifer, only ONCE…with Indication he held a particular status called a Morning Star, son of the morning, anointed cherub…and thereafter, (also before manKind was created)…Lucifer was cast out of his Heavenly Estate down to Earth, with a different Name, called Satan, along with (several other notable descriptions)

** Once God changes a beings NAME, it is the New Name that which that being thereafter is called.

** Descriptions ascribed TO: Lucifer After his fall from being created holy, to his becoming evil.

Devil
Slanderer
Accuser
Tempter
Ruler of demons
Evil one
Enemy
Father of lies
Murderer
Ruler of this World
god of this age
Adversary
Roaring Lion
Deceiver of the whole world
Prince of devils
Dragon
That Old Serpent

 

[Pearl]

“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit” (Isaiah 14:12–15, NKJV).

In common usage, Lucifer is another name for Satan. Famously, John Milton used this name for Satan in Paradise Lost. There is no verse in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan.” In fact, there is some dispute as to whether Lucifer is even a proper name in the Bible. (gotquestions.org)

 

[Jericho]

The expression “shining one,” or “Lucifer,” is found in what Isaiah prophetically commanded the Israelites to pronounce as a “proverbial saying against the king of Babylon.” Thus, it is part of a saying primarily directed at the Babylonian dynasty. That the description “shining one” is given to a man and not to a spirit creature is further seen by the statement: “Down to Sheol you will be brought.” Sheol is the common grave of mankind—not a place occupied by Satan the Devil. Moreover, those seeing Lucifer brought into this condition ask: “Is this the man that was agitating the earth?” Clearly, “Lucifer” refers to a human, not to a spirit creature.(Isaiah 14:4, 15, 16)

Isaiah 14:3 begins by talking about the fall of the king of Babylon, but then the narrative shifts to Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12, who is the real power behind the king of Babylon. The fact that he is called a "man" is missleading. The Hebrew word used here for "man" is not "'āḏām" but "'îš". This is the same Hebrew word used to describe the three men (really angels) that met with Abraham (Gen 18:2, Gen 19:1).

This same narrative switching also occurs in Ezekial 28. It begins by talking about the king of Tyre, but then switches to the principalities in high places, the annointed cherb, who I infer to be Lucifer. It's not a stretch to conclude that Lucifer became Satan after the fall. "Satan" is a title, true, but it's also used as a proper noun the same way "Christ" is.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Isaiah 14:3 begins by talking about the fall of the king of Babylon, but then the narrative shifts to Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12, who is the real power behind the king of Babylon. The fact that he is called a "man" is missleading. The Hebrew word used here for "man" is not "'āḏām" but "'îš". This is the same Hebrew word used to describe the three men (really angels) that met with Abraham (Gen 18:2, Gen 19:1).

This same narrative switching also occurs in Ezekial 28. It begins by talking about the king of Tyre, but then switches to the principalities in high places, the annointed cherb, who I believe to be Lucifer. It's not a stretch to conclude that Lucifer became Satan after the fall. "Satan" is a title, true, but it's also used as a proper noun the same way "Christ" is.

I agree….as this is demonstrated in Genesis 2:23 where both words are also used in this one verse……but the shift is not clearly discernible by the majority of people….especially is this true of Ezekiel 28….though directed to the King of Tyre, it is clearly speaking about satan, whose traits this king was emulating. That king was never “in Eden” as a “covering cherub”.
The fact that cherubs were used in a guardianship position after the fall, guarding the way to “the tree of life”, indicates why satan was there in the garden in the first place, (as a guardian) but of his own free will, hatching his plan to hijack the human race for his own evil agenda.

The name “Lucifer” is never applied directly to satan, whose real name has never been revealed….he is called only by his characterizations as a “resister” and a “slanderer”.…guilty on both counts in his conversation to Eve….

 

[Pierac]

I read the scripture on Lucifer and seem to remember someone saying they were describing Lucifer as a beautifully arrayed angel.

Can you explain why someone would suggest that, as I didn't see anything like that in scripture.

Lucifer is a Latin word... inserted into a Hebrew text... In fact... It's the only Latin word in your old testament TRANSLATION that you read! Translation being the Key!!!

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.

Lucifer is not the Serpent... Your following the traditions of men

 

[Raccoon1010]

Lucifer is a Latin word... inserted into a Hebrew text... In fact... It's the only Latin word in your old testament TRANSLATION that you read! Translation being the Key!!!

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.

Lucifer is not the Serpent... Your following the traditions of men

You must be thinking of someone else in your post. It doesn't appear to reflect the statements I have made in this thread at all.

Please read the OP again. Hopefully you are understanding what I posted. Also you could read my post #5.

In all truth I am neither connecting nor not connecting Lucifer and the dragon. I believe it would take God at this point using Revelation to do that for man. And not the assumptions of man.

 

[Taken]

@dev553344

Ezek 28: is the description of Lucifer before him being cast to Earth and the effects of him being ON Earth, and thereafter called…
** Satan…a Devil, a Serpent, a Dragon…
(Rev 12:9…Rev 20:2)
* Also there after describe as:
** Murderer and Liar
(John 844)

Ezek 28
12] Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
[13] Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
[14] Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
[15] Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
[16] By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
[17] Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
[18] Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
[19] All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Pyreaux]

Ezekiel 28 appears to say the Fallen Cherub had a golden "covering", though taken to mean his "skin", I think it refers to a tent, or rather a golden sanctuary in the Garden of Eden, at the Summit of the Mountain of God. A Temple's gilded holy place with Cherubim on the walls.

Alternate explanations not covered here is Lucifer is a fallen angel, but not the original. Members of the divine Council of El rebel and get cast out, Isaiah 14's Helel, "Lucifer" the Morning Star and Ezekial 28's (Celestial) "Prince of Tyre" are apparently two such members. Sometimes for a nation to attack Israel means a member rebels against Yhwh, causing heavenly war, as Yahweh fought the (Celestial) Prince of Persia. There are also times these celestial princes attack Israel with permission or orders to do so from Yahweh.

Isaiah taunts the "morning star" the divine patron over Babylon that is cast down from trying to set himself over the other angelic star-sons of El and Elyon (Isa 14:14) and is cast down. The celestial "prince of Tyre" is condemned for thinking himself to be God (Eze 28:2-10) who is distinct from the "king of Tyre" who is being punished for corrupting his wisdom (Eze 28:12-19). Yahweh roused the "spirit [single] of the kings [plural] of the Medes" is the angelic patron of Medes (Jer 51:11). The heaven and earth are seen as counterparts, when a nation rebels against Israel, its angelic patron is likewise rebelling (Dan 8:3, 20-21) like the "prince of Persia" who withstood Yahweh and required one of the Archangels, Michael, to aid him (Dan 10:13).

The modern Jews refute that Satan fell at all, claiming he's just God's agent, a heavenly prosecutor, and those saying he's evil is just a Christian invention they've superimposed on the Torah by the book of Revelations. But that is an anti-angel myth/anti-Christian cover up.

Beliar the Prince of Darkness and the War in Heaven

Beliar the Prince of Darkness is a known satanic figure the Rabbis say existed before the creation of the world, and sinfully declared himself equal with God (Pesikta Rabbati 20:2; 53:2; Yalkut Re'uveni 1:19; Midrash Alphabetot 434), which some angels followed, ultimately leading to the "binding" of Beliar, the Prince of Darkness (Testament of Levi 18:12; Isaiah 24:22-23).

Genesis may elude to this event. It speaks of Day One as the separation of the light and the darkness (Gen 1:4). Other Bible passages describe a pre-existing light that came from a primordial darkness, that both were once one thing, and the light was created by separating them, "I formed [yotzor (H#3335)] light and create [borei (H#1254)] darkness" (Isa 45:7). This is moment is described as a purification of heaven before the foundation of world (1 Samuel 22:12; Psalms 18:9; Job 26:12-13).

Angel revolt that caused an ongoing conflict between the "sons of light" (Luke 16:8 (1-13); John 12:36; Ephesians 5:8; 1 Thes 5:5; Mt 5:14-16; Thomas 50) as opposed to the "sons of Belair" (1 Samuel 1:16; 2:12; 2 Corinthians 6:14-15), or devil (Matthew 23:33; Luke 3:7; John 8:44; 12:34) or perdition (John 17:12; 2 Thes 2:3).

In the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Melchizedek text fragments discovered in 1956, where Melchizedek appears to be an angelic-elohim judge of a council of elohim-gods, sent before the last judgment to atone for "the sons of (light), (the l)ot of Mel(ch)izedek" and to judge "the sons of darkness" free his people from "Belial and his angels" (11Q13). In the Testament of Amram, there is a warrior called the "Prince of Light", a great Watcher and his enemy is the "Prince of Darkness" (4Q'Amram), but other fragments of 4Q also calls the two "Melchizedek" (king of righteousness) and "Melchiresa" (king of evil) (4Q 286-287, 280-282).

'Melchizedek" here seems to be a pre-incarnate angelic member of the angelic council who plays a role in the judgment; but its as or more likely that this is actually Yahweh, using the title "Melchizedek" (king of righteousness). As Righteousness “[Tzedek]” was an Epitaph for the Messiah (Isaiah 51:4-5) a messianic title (1QIsaiah), so is "Righteous One" (Acts 3:14; 7:52; 22:14; 1 Peter 3:18; 1 John 2:1; 1 Enoch 38:2; 53:6).

The War Scroll accounts a heavenly war, "the Prince of Light thou hast appointed from ancient times to come to our support... and all the spirits of truth as under his domain." (1QM XIII). "All the children of light are ruled by the Prince of Light and walk in the ways of light, but the children of falsehood are ruled by the Angel of Darkness and walk in the ways of darkness." (1QS III).

The angels that were cast out to earth was world of water...

Rahab, the Angel of the Sea, Leviathan, the Dragon and the Rebellion of the Waters

In the Canaanite myth of Ba'al, the lord god of Phoenicia, help make the cosmos habitable by fighting and killing "Yam", the sea dragon or Yam the primeval sea of "chaos". (Canaanite Myth, Hebrew Epic, page 112-124 ). Because the faiths and languages weren't so dissimilar, Israelite Psalmists would take older Canaanite hymns and swap Ba'al's name with Yahweh's name, usually with regards to being as the king of the gods. And also like Ba'al there are signs in the psalms and other scriptures that Yahweh had defeated a sea dragon in a similar fashion in the past.

Genesis may account for this when it says "the sea [H#3220 Yam]" already existed "without form [tohu (H#8414), chaos]" that stood on the "void [vohu (H#922)]", the "darkness" of the "deep [tehom (H#8415) the abyss, ocean]", also known as a place of swallowing (Ecclesiastes 1:7). Fortunately, the "spirit [ruah (H#7307) wind/spirit]" fluttered or had power over it (Genesis 1:2) and by extension the dragons in it (Genesis 1:21).

After the first day, the light was separated from the darkness. On the second day, how the waters below were separated from the waters that formed the firmament (Gen 1:6). The waters are depicted as rebellious (Psalms 93:3) so the waters had to be rebuked so land would appear (Genesis 1:9; Nah 1:4) then to keep it separated, the Lord set a boundary for the sea (Jer 5:22). Israelite poetry portrays the enemies of Israel as sea monsters and flood waters (Ps 69:1-4; 93:1-4). Which is strange for a land with little water, that isn't subject to flooding, to personify evil with water that Israel is endanger from. They are actually referring to an ancient enemy.

Job says the "dead" the shades and the inhabitants of the water trembled in the abyss as the north stretched over the void, the waters were bound into thick clouds (the firmament) becoming as a veil to cover the face of the throne (Job 24:5-9). God marked out a circle between the day and the night (light and the darkness), and split the "proud" of the sea, so that that sea would stay still, thus the heavens were made pure by the "Spirit [Ruah]" and pierced the serpent (Job 26:10-13).

The rebel angel of Sea is named "Rahab" (Job 9:13). Rahab is also the dragon, the "Leviathan" (Job 41:1; Isa 22:1). The Lord drove back the sea and smashed the heads of the monsters in the waters (Ps 74:13). Rahab the Dragon was slain (Isa 27:1; 51:9; Ps 89:10), defeated (Isa 51:9) or tamed (Job 40:1, 45). The star-sons of God “sang for joy” to witness the sea defeated when foundations of the earth were laid the third day (Job 38:7) and bonds were set for the "waves" of the "proud" (Job 38:8-11).

The angel revolts repeat.

 

[Pierac]

No one revolts from God! No One! Silly child... Look at the universe... You think for 1 second a created being could do such a thing...

Satan is God's instrument... created for It's purpose!

NASB Pro 16:4 The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil.

KJV Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


KJV Amo 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and
the LORD hath not done it?

KJV Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? Shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips. ( Also Job 1:21)

KJV 1Ki 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

ESV Ecc 9:12 For man does not know his time. Like fish that are taken in an evil net, and like birds that are caught in a snare, so the children of man are snared at an evil time, when it suddenly falls upon them.

KJV Ecc 1:13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore7451 travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.

Word Study: H7451 רע ra‛, ָרָעה
rā‛āh: An adjective meaning bad, evil.

Concordant OT Ecc 1:13 “It is an experience of evil Elohin [God] has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.”

KJV Lam 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

What happened to David?

2Sa 24:1 Again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go, number Israel and Judah." Who is He? God? Shouldn’t the he be capitalized?

1Ch 21:7 But God was displeased with this thing, and he struck Israel.

How did God incite David? Who or what was God’s instrument?

1Ch 21:1 Then Satan stood against Israel and incited David to number Israel.

NASB Ecc 3:10 I have seen the task which God has given the sons of men with which to occupy themselves.

Ecc 3:11 He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also set eternity5769 in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end.

KJV Ecc 3:10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.

Ecc 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

H5769 עלם עולם ‛ôlâm ‛ôlâm
o-lawm', o-lawm'
From H5956; properly concealed, that is, the vanishing point; generally time out of mind


Translation: So God makes everything proper and appropriate for His Plan, but He has put obscurity in their hearts.. so that, or in order that they cannot know or understandwhat it is that He is doing to them in this human existence we call life.


Does God use evil to chastise or punish us? 2 Sam 12:11; Jer. 18:11; 1Sam 16:14

Evil Defense
ESV Hab 1:13 You who are of purer eyes than to see evil and cannot look at wrong, why do you idly look at traitors and are silent when the wicked swallows up the man more righteous than he?

YLT Hab 1:13 Purer of eyes than to behold evil, To look on perverseness Thou art not able, Why dost Thou behold the treacherous? Thou keepest silent when the wicked Doth swallow the more righteous than he,

TLivingB Hab 1:13 “We are wicked, but they are far more! Will you [God], Who cannot allow sin in any form, stand idly by while they swallow us up? Should You be silent while the wicked destroy those who are better than they?

Read Hab 1:1-12 and you will see God using the Chaldeans.

Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Isa 63:17 O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear?

Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.

And... even after my post... You still remain clueless... Read it again!!!
Paul

 

[JohnDB]

Then....
Just to be demand resistant and oppositionally defiant....

There is a theology that declares Satan to be an anthropomorphic creature which is symbolic of Mankind's disobedience.

Discuss that if there are any takers.....HA!

 

[Wick Stick]

...Especially is this true of Ezekiel 28….though directed to the King of Tyre, it is clearly speaking about satan, whose traits this king was emulating. That king was never “in Eden” as a “covering cherub”.

The fact that cherubs were used in a guardianship position after the fall, guarding the way to “the tree of life”, indicates why satan was there in the garden in the first place, (as a guardian) but of his own free will, hatching his plan to hijack the human race for his own evil agenda.

Nice. I've seldom seen people make the connection between Ezekiel 28 and Genesis. I DO think those dots are meant to be connected.

Your geography might need a little work though. The King of Tyre did indeed guard the way to Gan Eden. I will try to explain without writing a novel. 3 maps are below.

The second map is a topographical map. See that Lebanon is divided by two mountain ranges, the Lebanon range and the Anti-Lebanon range. Between them lies the Beqaa Valley. This is the location of Gan Eden. Because of the mountains, this valley can only be entered through either the narrow pass at the south, or by another pass to the north (not pictured).

The third map shows the Litani River. See that this river runs out of the Beqaa valley through the narrow southern mountain pass. Also note that the point where this river empties into the Mediterranean is the location of the city of Tyre (map 1).

Long story short, the city of Tyre (and its king) controlled trade along the Litani River, including the southern pass into the Beqaa valley. This is quite literally the gateway into Gan Eden, which they guarded.

The Orontes River flows northward out of Beqaa through the other pass, and also empties into the Mediterranean. The city of Antioch is built at that location.

 

[Stumpmaster]

No one revolts from God!

That's "cornflakes theology".

Here's the real deal

Jud 1:4 For certain men crept in secretly, those having been of old previously written into this condemnation, ungodly ones perverting the grace of our God for unbridled lust, and denying the only Master, God, even our Lord Jesus Christ.

Rev 12:7-11 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, (8) but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. (9) So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (10) Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. (11) And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Your geography might need a little work though. The King of Tyre did indeed guard the way to Gan Eden. I will try to explain without writing a novel. 3 maps are below.

I find it difficult to imagine that any low lying geographical location survived the flood of Noah’s day intact.
The angels were standing guard at the “tree of life” making sure no human tried to steal that fruit…..those angels must have been there till the flood because there is no mention of them again.

The landscape would have changed so dramatically with the massive volume of water that was unleashed, from not only under the earth but above it as well. We have seen the massive damage that floods and tsunamis have caused. I am convinced that with that level of water, no one could know exactly where the garden of Eden had been, (maybe a rough idea).
Everything was under water for about a year…..only sea creatures survived outside the ark. The birds had nowhere to roost, so it wasn’t a local flood. Some birds can fly for thousands of kilometers.

Where did the water go? I have a theory….

 

[Wick Stick]

I find it difficult to imagine that any low lying geographical location survived the flood of Noah’s day intact.
The angels were standing guard at the “tree of life” making sure no human tried to steal that fruit…..those angels must have been there till the flood because there is no mention of them again.

The landscape would have changed so dramatically with the massive volume of water that was unleashed, from not only under the earth but above it as well. We have seen the massive damage that floods and tsunamis have caused. I am convinced that with that level of water, no one could know exactly where the garden of Eden had been, (maybe a rough idea).
Everything was under water for about a year…..only sea creatures survived outside the ark. The birds had nowhere to roost, so it wasn’t a local flood. Some birds can fly for thousands of kilometers.

Where did the water go? I have a theory….

It's not a science problem. The Bible tells us where it was located:

Ezekiel 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.

The famous Cedars of Lebanon do not grow all over the country. They only grow on the eastern slopes of the Lebanon mountain range... i.e. in the Beqaa valley.