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when she gave birth to ish, ya. a certain kind of "man" iow, there are many kindsbut Eve mentioned God when she gave birth to Cain.
What kind was Cain?when she gave birth to ish, ya. a certain kind of "man" iow, there are many kinds
I don't understand what ish means.......Cain was the first ish
ah, well, um, neither does anyone else prolly lol. i would give you my take but it's better to get your own conception there. There are 4 or 5 diff words used to describe "man," and all are not "in Adam's image," etc. While imo "serpent seed" goes a bit too far, maybe, this is a rabbit hole nonetheless.I don't understand what ish means.......
Adam willingly goes into the bondage of death and separation from God, for Eve. Again, a man that had fellowship willingly gave up that fellowship for another. And from a noble act comes: Every sinner "in Adam" and not "in Christ" will be punished in an eternal burning hell.
You said Adam knew God would get him out. The biggest question I have is how did God get Adam(that first man that had fellowship with God) out yet those "in Adam" are not?
Another thread on Abel's sacrifice and why it was acceptable to God and Cain's was rejected has raised some serious questions. Rather than bombard another posters thread and derail it; I'm choosing to start a separate one.
Clearly Eve sinned first by the temptation of Satan. Either Adam wasn't too bright or other motives drove Him to join in His wife's sin. Is it safe to suspect Adam joined His wife in her sin...out of love?
Two children are born. Jealousy causes one to murder the other. All over Abel's sacrifice being acceptable to God. Where Cain's was not. Why? Possibly because Abel s offering was also...love.
Two brothers:
One a scarlet thread.
One a breach, a rupture.
One, the one with the scarlet thread, heals the other.
Genesis 38:28-30
[28] And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first. [29] And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez. [30] And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah.
If Abel paid for his enemy (his own brother, his murderer) then it would be an act of love. What pleased God about Abels sacrifice was that it prophesied of the Son ...the greatest act of love demonstrated to all mankind. The guiltless Lamb slain for the guilty. An innocent (God Himself) for the sinner. A brother for a brother.
The only ones that have a problem with this are the ones that would love nothing more than a brother to pay what is owed.
There are only two:
You are either "in Adam."
Or you are "in Christ."
Did Christ come for Adam. Or will God punish and condemn the first man ever created...to hell? A man that walked and spoke to God and sacrificed life by joining His wife in death? A man made subject to vanity by God himself?
Romans 8:20-21
[20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, [21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
I was once in Adam. I was once in Sin. My brother Jesus Christ , the scarlet thread, healed me. Abel's sacrifice was love.
Eve was deceived. Adam was not. If Adam was not deceived why did he eat of the tree? (1 Tim. 2:14) He ate because he loved Eve and didn't want to lose her and didn't want her to be in a place where he couldn't reach her. So he went into a fallen state knowing God would get him out. And he knew if God got him out, it would also provide the way to get Eve out.
And that is exactly what Jesus Christ did for you.
Stranger
I disagree with this reasoning. Adam instead of eating the forbidden fruit when Eve offered he could have put the love of God first by calling upon God asking his wisdom instead of relying on his own.
Of course He could have. And he knew that, as he was not deceived. Where would that leave Eve?
What part of my 'reasoning' do you not like?
Stranger
By the way you wrote in the text I replied to, it seemed to me that you were saying Adam reasoned that he was showing love to Eve when he ate the forbidden fruit, and it seemed to me that you were implying God was okay with that, but that's showing love for his wife before God and that not right. Showing love for God always comes first. So like I said Adam should have called upon God and relied on his wisdom rather than eaten the forbidden fruit.
Another thread on Abel's sacrifice and why it was acceptable to God and Cain's was rejected has raised some serious questions.
Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Hebrews 11:4 "By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh."
Since faith comes by hearing God's word and Abel offered his sacrifice 'by faith', then the logical implication is God's word had come to Cain and Abel on the acceptable type of sacrifice God wanted to be made. Abel by faith offered the acceptable sacrifice per God's word whereas Cain did not therefore his sacrifice was not 'by faith'. (Hebrews 11:6)
Adam was not confused. Adam was not deceived. (1 Tim. 2:14) He didn't need to call upon God as He knew God's will in the matter already. You say Adam should have relied on God's wisdom. What do you think God would have told Him?
And you didn't answer my question. If Adam doesn't eat, where does that leave Eve?
Stranger
By you asking, "if Adam doesn't eat, where does that leave Eve?" Asking a question like that is reasoning that love for a human comes before the love for God
Faith in what?
MyConsider: the Son was innocent(blameless), yet He carried the weight of the punishment of your sins. Are you a part of His bride? In the Sons indescribable love for all that was lost...did the Son put you first or His father first? When the Son came to not condemn but to save, who did the Son put first?
Luke 22:41-42
[41] And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, [42] Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
LOVE for another is putting the Father first.
אנש | Abarim Publications Theological Dictionary (Old Testament Hebrew)and even
Strong's Hebrew: 376. אּישׁ (ish) -- man
although the New Strong's is corrupted there i guess, i would seek better sources now
good point i guess. The two are really one anyway, right. When Eve eats Adam eats too, in a senseAnd you didn't answer my question. If Adam doesn't eat, where does that leave Eve?