Limited atonement is a false gospel

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Jesus is all I need. Thank you. And may you feel the Love of Christ the way I have. I love to you in Christ Jesus.
That is one beautiful reminder . But please take a seat while i remind us all of something .
For many in this generation can say the very same thing and yet the jesus they seem to need and to follow
CONTRADICTS BIG TIME the one in the bible . And that is certain death .
SO while i aint accusing you of this , I AM REMINDING US all , IT REALLY IS BIBLE TIME IN THE BUILDING .
 
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And His foreknowledge is based on foreknowing who will receive Him (His Spirit) and who won't. The atonement is offered and available to all who are willing, just that not all are willing.
over the moutains and through the valleys , from the land of canada and round the world
LET ALL that names the name of CHRIST depart from inquity .
We shall not surrender to the false love of men of this world , no matter how well claoked in wool they are
and no matter how they even sit and lead many churches . WIW .
wolves in wool aint heeding by true sheep in wool . TO the trenches sister
I have made up my mind and it be fully persauded of GOD
That i had rather suffer in the dungeons of the darkest jail
and be beheaded than to sit a king in this dump hole under a lie that saves none , though that lie called itself love
and claimed it was of GOD . Satan wont be heeded by the sheep , nor his hirelings .
AND it exposing them all , and their false doctrines , costs me all , I COUNT IT EVERY BIT GAIN to win CHRIST and to have helped others
 

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He does His part as the Bridegroom and we do our part as the Bride. Which is simply to not resist and reject Him, but instead receive Him with gladness. He enters into covenant with the willing, not the unwilling, because He is not a spiritual rapist and there is no shotgun wedding in the kingdom of God.
Chosen and predestined to become Born Again...never to be denied...to fit in with what you believe...which is foreign to me..
No...that is not how I became Born Again..

No one is saying that he is a spiritual rapist , you are..,because you don’t understand how I became Born Again....I’m not interested in your understanding of scripture...and why you keep pushing your belief onto me..I have no idea.

I became Born Again by Gods Living testimony...whom you don’t seem to know?

Spirit gives birth to spirit...the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods child..

I did not become Born Again..by your testimony....I don’t understand your testimony..just like you don’t understand my Living testimony...who indwells my spirit..

Born Again by the Living Spirit Of God..you be concerned with your own salvation and keep your nose out of mine..it’s becoming tiring and boring...your repeated mantra..

God chose me..I had no say in the matter...God did it all....Praise God...for his Living testimony who indwells my spirit...Born Again of imperishable seed...a Living seed, that liveth and abideth forever...in my spirit.

Never Ever to be denied..my salvation is 100% secure..if you don’t have that security...then I can’t help you.
 
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This is NOT limited atonement. This is the application of atonement. Only believers made the atonement available to/for them. It is there for the taking. God calls, we answer. He NEVER choses who we will believe.
Christ defeated death just so God could call all men to repentance. He desires that all should be saved. No human being will be able to give God the excuse at judgement that they did not have the opportunity to know Him.
Believe Jesus or not. He will gather His sheep, and His sheep know Him and know His voice. His sheep knows their master. John 10:27
 
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He does His part as the Bridegroom and we do our part as the Bride. Which is simply to not resist and reject Him, but instead receive Him with gladness. He enters into covenant with the willing, not the unwilling, because He is not a spiritual rapist and there is no shotgun wedding in the kingdom of God.
Also.


1 Peter 1
Berean Standard BiblePar ▾
A Greeting from Peter
(2 Peter 1:1–2)
1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the elect who are exiles of the Dispersion throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, chosena 2according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.
A Living Hope
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy He has given us new birthb into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
6In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in various trials 7so that the proven character of your faith—more precious than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
8Though you have not seen Him, you love Him; and though you do not see Him now, you believe in Him and rejoice with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9now that you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

10Concerning this salvation, the prophets who foretold the grace to come to you searched and investigated carefully, 11trying to determine the time and setting to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.
12It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, when they foretold the things now announced by those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.
A Call to Holiness
(Hebrews 12:14–17)
13Therefore prepare your minds for action.c Be sober-minded. Set your hope fully on the grace to be given you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14As obedient children, do not conform to the passions of your former ignorance. 15But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do, 16for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”d
17Since you call on a Father who judges each one’s work impartially, conduct yourselves in reverent fear during your stay as foreigners. 18For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life you inherited from your forefathers, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or spot. 20He was known before the foundation of the world, but was revealed in the last times for your sake.
21Through Him you believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and glorified Him; and so your faith and hope are in God.
The Enduring Word

(Isaiah 40:6–8)
22Since you have purified your souls by obedience to the truth so that you have a genuine love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from a pure heart.e 23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24For,
“All flesh is like grass,
and all its glory like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
25but the word of the Lord stands forever.”f
And this is the word that was proclaimed to you
 

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Chosen and predestined to become Born Again...never to be denied...to fit in with what you believe...which is foreign to me..
No...that is not how I became Born Again..

No one is saying that he is a spiritual rapist , you are..,because you don’t understand how I became Born Again....I’m not interested in your understanding of scripture...and why you keep pushing your belief onto me..I have no idea.

I became Born Again by Gods Living testimony...whom you don’t seem to know?

Spirit gives birth to spirit...the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods child..

I did not become Born Again..by your testimony....I don’t understand your testimony..just like you don’t understand my Living testimony...who indwells my spirit..

Born Again by the Living Spirit Of God..you be concerned with your own salvation and keep your nose out of mine..it’s becoming tiring and boring...your repeated mantra..

God chose me..I had no say in the matter...God did it all....Praise God...for his Living testimony who indwells my spirit...Born Again of imperishable seed...a Living seed, that liveth and abideth forever...in my spirit.

Never Ever to be denied..my salvation is 100% secure..if you don’t have that security...then I can’t help you.
Sister the fact that you and I are born again is proof that we opened our hearts to Him and didn't reject and resist Him. Remember Jesus rebuking the Pharisees and religious leaders, saying "ye do always resist the Holy Spirit"....?

Our other sister here posted this verse:

Rev 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

I do understand your testimony and have no argument or problem with it, except to say that we may have legitimate testimonies and experiences with the Lord without fully understanding or being aware of everything that took place. Even Paul who went to the third heaven couldn't say whether he was in the body or out of it.
 

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Sister the fact that you and I are born again is proof that we opened our hearts to Him and didn't reject and resist Him.
God opened my heart..I did not open my heart..I wouldn’t know how?..you make no sense to me..sorry..
Remember Jesus rebuking the Pharisees and religious leaders, saying "ye do always resist the Holy Spirit"....?

Our other sister here posted this verse:

Rev 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
I was not Born Again the way that you understand it..I am Born Again by Gods Living Witness/ testimony....who is Gods Living witness/ testimony? not by knocking on my door...that is your understanding of scripture...certainly not my understanding of scripture....His Living Spirit gave birth to my spirit...you tell me what that means?...how would I know that my spirit is Born Again?
I do understand your testimony and have no argument or problem with it, except to say that we may have legitimate testimonies and experiences with the Lord without fully understanding or being aware of everything that took place
Nonsense..I understand exactly how the Spirit testified with my spirit that I’m God’s child...that’s what you believe..so it sounds like that you aren’t secure in the Living testimony of God...I am 100% secure in Gods Living testimony.
. Even Paul who went to the third heaven couldn't say whether he was in the body or out of it.
Paul has got nothing to do with my Living spiritual rebirth...scripture verses are not Gods Living testimony.

By the way you said God doesn’t spiritually rape us...that is NOT biblical...it’s from you and it’s from your own understanding of my rebirth...you will never understand my rebirth....as it was my rebirth and not yours..be careful of accusing God of spiritual rape!

You talk absolute nonsense!...it’s embarrassing listening to you.
 
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God opened my heart..I did not open my heart..I wouldn’t know how?..you make no sense to me..sorry..
A flower feeling the heat of the sun and turning to it and opening its petals to its light doesn't know how either, yet it does it.

Psa 95:7-8
For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
 

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Believe Jesus or not. He will gather His sheep, and His sheep know Him and know His voice. His sheep knows their master. John 10:27
More importantly, the Shepherd knows each individual sheep and their personal name.

Isn't it great that Jesus's sheep hear His voice communicating with them personally as He calls them by name. The Shepherd therefore knows His sheep (virgins) and will never say to these, I never knew you.

A simple test to reassure us that we are His sheep is to ask, does Jesus communicate with us directly and personally.

Most Christians I've interacted with know of Jesus from second hand information they have read or heard but not a first hand experience of the Shepherd.

Their claim of knowing Jesus is not experiential but theoretical. Again, more hearsay not direct from the indwelling Spirit, His Spirit interacting with our spirit.

They will say, but we have the bible now, so that's all we need. But the bible doesn't have a personal relationship with us, it doesn't know my name. The living Spirit does.
 

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A flower feeling the heat of the sun and turning to it and opening its petals to its light doesn't know how either, yet it does it.

Psa 95:7-8
For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Only God can open the heart of his child to receive his Living Spirit..you wouldn’t know how.

Spirit gives birth to spirit...not man/ woman gives birth to spirit..

I too accepted the Spirit Of God...because I was chosen band predestined to...not because I invited him in..I did not!
God chose me...the biggest Honour and Privilege that I have received in my entire life....sorry that you have no understanding of that.
Acts 16:14
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Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
One of those listening was a woman from the city of Thyatira named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth. She was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message.

New Living Translation
One of them was Lydia from Thyatira, a merchant of expensive purple cloth, who worshiped God. As she listened to us, the Lord opened her heart, and she accepted what Paul was saying.

English Standard Version
One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul.

Berean Standard Bible
Among those listening was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message
 

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Nope..he opens our heart by his power to receive him..I did nothing....we are birthed by Gods Living testimony ....we received a new heart and spirit within, we are also partakers Of his divine nature..Praise God.

Those in unbelief are those who aren’t Born Again...

John. 3​




Jesus Teaches Nicodemus​

1 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council.
2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again. ”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’
8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit
You have completely misinterpreted what these scriptures mean. It does not stand alone and exclude the fact that you have to choose whom you will serve.
 

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You have completely misinterpreted what these scriptures mean. It does not stand alone and exclude the fact that you have to choose whom you will serve.
According to you, yes...I disagree with your opinion.

I was chosen band predestined to become Gods child.

To which you have no understanding..

Only God can open the heart of his child to receive his Living Spirit..you wouldn’t know how.

Spirit gives birth to spirit...not man/ woman gives birth to spirit..

I too accepted the Spirit Of God...because I was chosen band predestined to...not because I invited him in..I did not!
God chose me...the biggest Honour and Privilege that I have received in my entire life....sorry that you have no understanding of that.
Acts 16:14
Audio Cross Study Comm Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
One of those listening was a woman from the city of Thyatira named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth. She was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message.

New Living Translation
One of them was Lydia from Thyatira, a merchant of expensive purple cloth, who worshiped God. As she listened to us, the Lord opened her heart, and she accepted what Paul was saying.

English Standard Version
One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul.

Berean Standard Bible
Among those listening was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message
 

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You are rebuking scripture,
No @TLHKAJ ..I am rebuking your understanding of scripture...you too are a cherry picker of scripture..that , that you accuse me of..lol.
Rita, which is very unwise.
As are you...you silly fear tactics don’t scare me...you are the one rebuking how the Spirit gives birth to our spirit...not me..

You don’t even know who Gods Living Witness is...you keep evading my question.

My spirit knows that it’s Born Again....not by your testimony on how my spirit became Born Again...by the Living testimony of the Living Spirit.

Which you seem to have no understanding of who he is?

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children....what does that even mean?

It’s written..so how would we know that it’s true?
 
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Believe Jesus or not. He will gather His sheep, and His sheep know Him and know His voice. His sheep knows their master. John 10:27
And as the Shepherd knows each of His sheep personally, I'm certain He won't say to any of these, 'I never knew you'. Jesus doesn't experience amnesia. What He knows He knows forever, and who He knows He will never forget.

He knows His sheep (virgins), therefore can all feel safe and secure in our eternal identity and relationship with our Groom.
 
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Only God can open the heart of his child to receive his Living Spirit..you wouldn’t know how.

Spirit gives birth to spirit...not man/ woman gives birth to spirit..

I too accepted the Spirit Of God...because I was chosen band predestined to...not because I invited him in..I did not!
God chose me...the biggest Honour and Privilege that I have received in my entire life....sorry that you have no understanding of that.
Acts 16:14
Audio Cross Study Comm Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
One of those listening was a woman from the city of Thyatira named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth. She was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message.

New Living Translation
One of them was Lydia from Thyatira, a merchant of expensive purple cloth, who worshiped God. As she listened to us, the Lord opened her heart, and she accepted what Paul was saying.

English Standard Version
One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul.

Berean Standard Bible
Among those listening was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message
Yes sister, but that scripture doesn't nullify other scriptures does it.....we need to spiritually discern.
 

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Yes sister, but that scripture doesn't nullify other scriptures does it..
Did I say it did?

You post scripture that you understand...I do the same...you,me do not understand all that is written...that’s for sure....God has brought you to to understand one way...he has brought me to understand another way...as we can see.

I am clothed in the righteousness of Christ.
My spirit has been reconciled back to the Spirit Of God...that’s why our spirit must be Born Again...as God is a Living Mighty supernatural Spirit....that’s how we communicate with him....Spirit to spirit....
Romans 8:10
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Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.

New Living Translation
And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God.

English Standard Version
But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Berean Standard Bible
But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness





Only for some reason..you try and make me understand your preaching of the word...I don’t...you can’t seem to accept that for some reason....I wonder what it is, that you are so concerned about....
...we need to spiritually discern.

I pray that you answer my questions..instead of steering away from them ,by trying to change the subject....you have a habit of doing that...
Scripture. Verses..do not testify with our spirit..that we are Gods children...plus only God can can open our heart to receive his Living Spirit..when Spirit gives birth to spirit......it’s the Spirit who does the birthing...I had no say in the matter....

You too are a cherry picker of scripture..you post scripture that you understand...yet you accuse me of doing the cherry picking ,lol.

Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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Did I say it did?

You post scripture that you understand...I do the same...you,me do not understand all that is written...that’s for sure....God has brought you to to understand one way...he has brought me to understand another way...as we can see.

I am clothed in the righteousness of Christ.
My spirit has been reconciled back to the Spirit Of God...that’s why our spirit must be Born Again...as God is a Living Mighty supernatural Spirit....that’s how we communicate with him....Spirit to spirit....
Romans 8:10
Audio Cross Study Comm Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.

New Living Translation
And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God.

English Standard Version
But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Berean Standard Bible
But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness





Only for some reason..you try and make me understand your preaching of the word...I don’t...you can’t seem to accept that for some reason....I wonder what it is, that you are so concerned about....


I pray that you answer my questions..instead of steering away from them ,by trying to change the subject....you have a habit of doing that...
Scripture. Verses..do not testify with our spirit..that we are Gods children...plus only God can can open our heart to receive his Living Spirit..when Spirit gives birth to spirit......it’s the Spirit who does the birthing...I had no say in the matter....

You too are a cherry picker of scripture..you post scripture that you understand...yet you accuse me of doing the cherry picking ,lol.

Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
It's not possible to respond to every comment and question....you make so many remarks, and misconstrue things so often, I just can't answer or sort out every item. There are things you are seeming to take too literally. I will just end by saying and acknowledging that God does all the work in giving birth to a soul, but we are the ones who allow or disallow Him to. Scripture is clear that people can harden their hearts, or they can be willfully blind when it suits them, and they can resist the Spirit....and it is on them if they do. That's my last comment to you on the subject, I won't belabour it with you any further.
 

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It's not possible to respond to every comment and question....you make so many remarks, and misconstrue things so often, I just can't answer or sort out every item.
According to you ,yes.
There are things you are seeming to take too literally.
I take Spirit gives birth to spirit “ literally “.....plus I take too “ literally “ according to you....I 100% disagree with you.

My spirit needed to know that it was “ Born Again “...so yes..I took Spirit gives birth to spirit/ Born Of The Spirit/ regenerated/ Born Again of imperishable seed/ Born Again “ literally “...in the fact that it is a Living supernatural divine birth...that only the Living Spirit Of Christ can perform....which can not be explained...that’s between Gods Living Spirit and my spirit, that was brought alive in Christ, the moment Spirit gave birth to my spirit...plus my spirit became Born Again with NO Bible in sight!.

The Spirit is very much Alive and Active in his children’s heart/ spirit....we are Gods Living Spirit Children...when our spirit becomes Born Again....
I will just end by saying and acknowledging that God does all the work in giving birth to a soul, but we are the ones who allow or disallow Him to.
Not in my case.so please don’t speak for me...I wouldn’t know how to allow him into my heart/ spirit...that doesn’t make an ounce of sense to me...God opened my heart to receive his Living Spirit....as I was chosen by him to do so....which also doesn’t make an ounce of sense to you....because of how you believe and what you believe the written word to be saying....different interpretations of scripture...or different understandings of the written word..including the Living Spiritual rebirth....
Scripture is clear that people can harden their hearts, or they can be willfully blind when it suits them,
and they can resist the Spirit....
Again...don’t speak for me, thanks...I have no idea what you are talking about...those who are chosen and predestined to become Gods child, could not harden their hearts, as they wouldn’t be able to as they would have no understanding of what that even means..my spirit became Born Again with NO Bible in sight,so, I would have no idea of what a hardened heart even meant way back 33 years ago......makes no sense to you...your understanding of a hardened heart makes not an ounce of sense to me...so like I explained or have tried to explain many times to you.
My understanding of scripture is not the same as your understanding of scripture....yet still you persist in trying to force your understanding of scripture onto me...please stop doing it..


and it is on them if they do.
Not according to my understanding of what it means when...Spirit gives birth to spirit...according to “ your” understanding, yes...which still I see, that you keep “ forcing “ onto me.

When are you going to “ respect “ that I understand one way.that you understand the written word another way.
That's my last comment to you on the subject, I won't belabour it with you any further.
Praise God for that....I will never deny what I believe or deny my understanding of the written word, to accommodate what you believe and understand the word to be saying ....

I will defend my “ faith” to the death...glad we got that sorted at last....
 
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