Limited atonement is a false gospel

[Ritajanice]

My excitement and rejoicing are in the fact that He called and I chose to place my faith in Christ alone.

My spirit rejoices because it’s Born Again..Spirit gives birth to spirit....the Living testimony of Christ resides permanently in my spirit....testifying all day every day that I am Gods child...for the past 33 years.

Have you ever heard His voice calling you to follow Him?

That’s how he called you....my birth was completely different.....Spirit gives birth to spirit..plus I am led by the Living Spirit as he indwells my spirit...


Testimonies are different, from believer to believer....

 

[TLHKAJ]

My spirit rejoices because it’s Born Again..Spirit gives birth to spirit....the Living testimony of Christ resides permanently in my spirit....testifying all day every day that I am Gods child...for the past 33 years.

That’s how he called you....my birth was completely different.....Spirit gives birth to spirit..plus I am led by the Living Spirit as he indwells my spirit...


Testimonies are different, from believer to believer....

I am born again by grace through faith, as I have believed on Jesus Christ, the Son of God ...I have believed His testimony that He is God the Savior.

There are no alternate ways to salvation, Rita. Either you have been called and responded to His call, or you have not.

 

[Ritajanice]

I am born again by grace through faith, as I have believed on Jesus Christ, the Son of God ...I have believed His testimony that He is God the Savior.

There are no alternate ways to salvation, Rita. Either you have been called and responded to His call, or you have not.

No...I have not been called by the way you were...here you go again trying to preach your word...which I rebuke..

I have been Born Of The Spirit..Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Chosen and predestined to become Gods child.

You do not teach me how I become Born Again, by the Living testimony of Gods Living Spirit.

My spirit is Alive in Christ..regenerated by Gods Living testimony....not by how you believe my spirit was Born Again.

Faith is a supernatural gift from God...I was brought to initially believe in Jesus...then he gave me the faith to know him from within my heart..when Spirit gave birth to my spirit.

I know Jesus by the testimony of His Living Spirit....that’s how I know that my spirit is Born Again of imperishable seed...a Living seed..that indwells my heart/ spirit.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Joshua 24:14-24
[14]Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD.
[15]And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
[16]And the people answered and said, God forbid that we should forsake the LORD, to serve other gods;
[17]For the LORD our God, he it is that brought us up and our fathers out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, and which did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way wherein we went, and among all the people through whom we passed:
[18]And the LORD drave out from before us all the people, even the Amorites which dwelt in the land: therefore will we also serve the LORD; for he is our God.
[19]And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.
[20]If ye forsake the LORD, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good.
[21]And the people said unto Joshua, Nay; but we will serve the LORD.
[22]And Joshua said unto the people, Ye are witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you the LORD, to serve him. And they said, We are witnesses.
[23]Now therefore put away, said he, the strange gods which are among you, and incline your heart unto the LORD God of Israel.
[24]And the people said unto Joshua, The LORD our God will we serve, and his voice will we obey.

 

[TLHKAJ]

That’s how he called you....my birth was completely different.....Spirit gives birth to spirit..plus I am led by the Living Spirit as he indwells my spirit...


Testimonies are different, from believer to believer....

Hebrews 4:6-7
[6]Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7]Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Did you know that you (or anyone) can choose to harden your own heart? It is unbelief that we are forbidden entrance into the kingdom of God.

 

[Ritajanice]

Hebrews 4:6-7
[6]Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7]Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Did you know that you (or anyone) can choose to harden your own heart? It is unbelief that we are forbidden entrance into the kingdom of God.

Nonsense...my spirit knows that it’s Born Again by Gods Living Witness/ testimony...

Not by your posting of scripture

Hebrews 4:6-7
[6]Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7]Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Did you know that you (or anyone) can choose to harden your own heart? It is unbelief that we are forbidden entrance into the kingdom of God.

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ A Greeting from Peter (2 Peter 1:1–2) 1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the elect who are exiles of the Dispersion throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, chosena 2according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance. A Living Hope 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy He has given us new birthb into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in various trials 7so that the proven character of your faith—more precious than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 8Though you have not seen Him, you love Him; and though you do not see Him now, you believe in Him and rejoice with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9now that you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls. 10Concerning this salvation, the prophets who foretold the grace to come to you searched and investigated carefully, 11trying to determine the time and setting to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. 12It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, when they foretold the things now announced by those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things. A Call to Holiness (Hebrews 12:14–17) 13Therefore prepare your minds for action.c Be sober-minded. Set your hope fully on the grace to be given you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14As obedient children, do not conform to the passions of your former ignorance. 15But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do, 16for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”d 17Since you call on a Father who judges each one’s work impartially, conduct yourselves in reverent fear during your stay as foreigners. 18For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life you inherited from your forefathers, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or spot. 20He was known before the foundation of the world, but was revealed in the last times for your sake. 21Through Him you believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and glorified Him; and so your faith and hope are in God. The Enduring Word (Isaiah 40:6–8) 22Since you have purified your souls by obedience to the truth so that you have a genuine love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from a pure heart.e 23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24For, “All flesh is like grass, and all its glory like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, 25but the word of the Lord stands forever.”f And this is the word that was proclaimed to you

 

[TLHKAJ]

Hebrews 4:6-7
[6]Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7]Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Did you know that you (or anyone) can choose to harden your own heart? It is unbelief that we are forbidden entrance into the kingdom of God.

And furthermore....

Revelation 3:20
[20]Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Notice, He said ..."ANY man" ....ANY ...not just a select few. The condition here is you HEAR His voice, and (YOU) open the door to receive Him.

 

[Ritajanice]

Nope..he opens our heart by his power to receive him..I did nothing....we are birthed by Gods Living testimony ....we received a new heart and spirit within, we are also partakers Of his divine nature..Praise God.

Those in unbelief are those who aren’t Born Again...

John. 3​

Jesus Teaches Nicodemus​

1 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council.
2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again. ”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’
8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit

 

[Rockerduck]

""""Limited atonement.""""

That is to limit the atonement.

The Atonement is the "Blood Atonement" that is The New Covenant, that is The Cross of Christ.

So, to LIMIT The Atonement.... means that God's Grace is not given for all......

Who but a truly decieved person... void of any knowledge of God's Grace.... would dare to try to prove that Jesus' Blood and Death, is not God's Grace, given to SINNERS.......and ALL are sinners.

Jesus said.....>>""""I came into the WORLD..........to SAVE SINNERS"">.....and "All have sinned" = ALL are sinners, so ALL quality for Salvation. ALL qualify for Jesus's finished work on THE CROSS.

So, when we understand that The Cross of Christ, is God's Grace, then to LIMIT this......is certainly a demonic Cross Denying, Grace rejecting teaching.

Who but an extremely deceived person... would DENY that God's Son's Sacrifice = "for God so loved the WORLD, (everyone) that He GAVE" Jesus on The Cross for us all ?? John 3:16

A.) Satan and His Ministers would want to LIMIT God's Grace, and so to do that, The Devil has designed "doctrines of Devils"... "man made false teachings" that deny The Cross, by trying to LIMIT IT.

See, Satan's Enemy is the Cross of Christ, as its The Cross of Christ that RESCUES the world of SINNERS = one believer at a time... , and so, the Devil tries to LIMIT the rescue, theologically.

This is the demonic theology : "LIMITED Atonement"..

You either a sheep or a goat. You are either in the Lamb's Book of Life or you are not. Spouting "demonic" toward other Christians is unscriptural and against Christ. You are commanded to Love your brothers and sisters in Christ so that all will know you are His.
John 13:34-35 - A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

 

[Rockerduck]

Amen, He did foreknow their rejection of Him.

Ok, if you agree with what I'm saying, doesn't this make the term "limited atonement" inaccurate and misleading.....since it only reflects one side of the coin, so to speak.

Jesus makes it plain when he says in Matthew 25:31-46. Jesus will separate His sheep from the goats. There is limited atonement connected with God's foreknowledge of who are His Sheep. The hard to grasp part is, for me, knowing that God showed me the rejection by some of my family members of Him, that they chose the world over Him.

 

[Behold]

You either a sheep or a goat. You are either in the Lamb's Book of Life or you are not. Spouting "demonic" toward other Christians is unscriptural and against Christ.

Do you own a NT?
If you do, then it wont matter... as You'll not know that Paul wrote all the doctrine for the Church, as well as most of the Epistles in the NT.

Paul teaches that a Christian, can become "Bewitched".......= spellbound, by a "doctrine of demons".. totally deceived......and this is always a man-made theology.......like Calvinism that is like a MIND VIRUS that gets in the head of its DECEIVED and takes over......and Paul says of those who are deceived by some man-made theology, .. "WHO has bewitched you, that you no longer obey the Truth". ?

Now Paul,........ when He wrote his Epistle to TITUS.........in Chapter 3...said......that when one of these deceived people.......a mormom, a JW... a Calvinist...a Mary Worshiper....and other's who are similarly deceived..........come to your Church.........then you are to deal with them about their deception.........."2 times"... and thats it.... ...and if they wont turn from it, they are "subverted within themselves"... and Jesus refers to this in Luke 11:35.
This person is beyond recovery.....they are deceived unto a hardened heart and can't be recovered from their deception.
So, Paul teaches that what you do with them, is ....... you walk them to the parking lot, to their car, and you watch them drive away, and then you lock the church door, so that they never come back.
Now, because you are a very immature believer, if one at all.... and for you, its all about "feelings", and "emotions"........as anyone can post a verse and talk about "love"........So, you have a lot to learn about dealing with deceived people, so that they can't do the same to church members.
Study Hebrews 13:9, and that is your starting point.

Now, on a "chrisitan" forum, the heretics are knee deep and ocean wide......Out of control.......as "christian forums" exist to let people fight, most of all.
In fact, if people were prevented from fighting......then they would leave, and find a forum that allows them to rant their anger and opinions about theology.
If you think that is not true....then look at all the THREADS on this forum.....right now.....and tomorrow, .....and you'll find that its nothing but redundant arguing............ceaselessly.
Same topics......same people..

"well behold.......you do it".
No, i actually dont.
I just teach, and then they argue.,and then i teach.........
If you do a search of "Behold's Threads', you'll find that im doing something here that is sigular and specfic , because its always related to THE CROSS and PAUL's Doctrine.
Just read the titles of my 400 + Threads, and you'll see what i mean.

 

[Rockerduck]

Here is another difference of opinion on what foreknowledge means.

The word "foreknew" means that God, in some way or sense, knew each Christian before we knew Him. Based on this sense in which He "foreknew" us, God predestined—determined, appointed, or ordained in advance—those who are saved to be conformed to the image of Jesus.

Would you say @Rockerduck that we become Born Again at Gods Appointed hour?

Do you believe that we die at Gods appointed time, day and place?
Short commentary.

What does the Bible say about God's appointed time?
1*There is an appointed time for everything,and a time for every affair under the heavens. 2A time to give birth, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to uproot the plant

Yes, God foreknew who were going to be His. Not at an appointed hour, because God does pursue people, to bring them to Him. I heard stories of weeks or months before one excepts His call. The same for a Christian's time to sleep(bodily death). That date can be extended or decreased, because it is Jesus who gives life to all. Hezikiah received 15 more years. This depends on your walking in God's will and walking by the Holy Spirit. There is not enough space to explain fully. I know more about this because Jesus showed me. I have stories.

 

[Rockerduck]

Do you own a NT?
If you do, then it wont matter... as You'll not know that Paul wrote all the doctrine for the Church, as well as most of the Epistles in the NT.

Paul teaches that a Christian, can become "Bewitched".......= spellbound, by a "doctrine of demons".. totally deceived......and this is always a man-made theology.......like Calvinism that is like a MIND VIRUS that gets in the head of its DECEIVED and takes over......and Paul says of those who are deceived by some man-made theology, .. "WHO has bewitched you, that you no longer obey the Truth". ?

Now Paul,........ when He wrote his Epistle to TITUS.........in Chapter 3...said......that when one of these deceived people.......a mormom, a JW... a Calvinist...a Mary Worshiper....and other's who are similarly deceived..........come to your Church.........then you are to deal with them about their deception.........."2 times"... and thats it.... ...and if they wont turn from it, they are "subverted within themselves"... and Jesus refers to this in Luke 11:35.
This person is beyond recovery.....they are deceived unto a hardened heart and can't be recovered from their deception.
So, Paul teaches that what you do with them, is ....... you walk them to the parking lot, to their car, and you watch them drive away, and then you lock the church door, so that they never come back.
Now, because you are a very immature believer, if one at all.... and for you, its all about "feelings", and "emotions"........as anyone can post a verse and talk about "love"........So, you have a lot to learn about dealing with deceived people, so that they can't do the same to church members.
Study Hebrews 13:9, and that is your starting point.

Now, on a "chrisitan" forum, the heretics are knee deep and ocean wide......Out of control.......as "christian forums" exist to let people fight, most of all.
In fact, if people were prevented from fighting......then they would leave, and find a forum that allows them to rant their anger and opinions about theology.
If you think that is not true....then look at all the THREADS on this forum.....right now.....and tomorrow, .....and you'll find that its nothing but redundant arguing............ceaselessly.
Same topics......same people..

"well behold.......you do it".
No, i actually dont.
I just teach, and then they argue.,and then i teach.........
If you do a search of "Behold's Threads', you'll find that im doing something here that is sigular and specfic , because its always related to THE CROSS and PAUL's Doctrine.
Just read the titles of my 400 + Threads, and you'll see what i mean.

You are commanded by Jesus to Love your enemies. The Apostle Paul took his orders from Jesus and was guided by the Holy Spirit, which speaks for Jesus. John 16:13. You follow Jesus or not, that depends on you. Read 1 Corinthians Chapter 13. You are clanging cymbal.

 

[Behold]

Jesus makes it plain when he says in Matthew 25:31-46. Jesus will separate His sheep from the goats.

Here is how Jesus separates the Bride from the rest.

"All who call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved"

"As many as believe in Jesus, God gives to them the power to become a Son/Dauther of God".

Jesus says....>>"ALL who believe in me, i give unto them eternal life".

Now, a lying Calvinist, will say.....>>"no, the ALL does not mean all......it only means the pre-destined".

They will read John 3:16, and that Calvinism Mind Virus causes them to not be able to comprehend....>"WHOSOEVER will believe".......because that Calvinsim mind virus makes them see "elect" or "Predestined" ... when its not in the verse.

Calvinism mind virus, causes the infected deceived person to see the words "predestined" "elect".. everytime they see these words in a NEW TESTAMENT

"As many"
"All"
"Everyone"
"Whosoever""
"The World"

Calvinism is a mind virus, its demonic, and it causes the person to see those words, as "elect" and "pre-destined".

It also causes the deceived person to see "foreknowledge"......as "God caused it"......"Pre-destined", and ForeKnowledge, means that God knew it......but it does not mean that God caused it, or pre-destined it.

 

[Ritajanice]

God does pursue people,

I understand it in the sense that he pursues us to do his will @Rockerduck ....as he has pursued me to do his will....at first I didn’t understand his will in an area of my life....he kept pursuing me and showing me...until I got it and understood his will...in that area.

to bring them to Him.

This part I have no understanding Of whatsoever.
...because God chose me..I had no say in becoming Born Again...
I believe that there is an appointed time, when the Living Spirit Of God births those he has chosen...that’s my belief...like when he chose to birth my spirit into his...he did it all.....all Glory goes to God...in my becoming Born Again ....it was “ mind blowing “..

 

[Rockerduck]

My excitement and rejoicing are in the fact that He called and I chose to place my faith in Christ alone.

Have you ever heard His voice calling you to follow Him?

Yes. All the time. Jesus audibly tells me to go where I am called when I'm called. I've moved 5 times. The Holy Spirit guides me, audibly. I'm a seer. The first thing the Holy Spirit told me before I knew Him was "go to church". I know Jesus. He is my friend and Savior. There is an invisible Spirit world you don't understand, even though you have interactions with it, but you don't realize it.

 

[Rockerduck]

Here is how Jesus separates the Bride from the rest.

"All who call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved"

"As many as believe in Jesus, God gives to them the power to become a Son/Dauther of God".

Jesus says....>>"ALL who believe in me, i give unto them eternal life".

Now, a lying Calvinist, will say.....>>"no, the ALL does not mean all......it only means the pre-destined".

They will read John 3:16, and that Calvinism Mind Virus causes them to not be able to comprehend....>"WHOSOEVER will believe".......because that Calvinsim mind virus makes them see "elect" or "Predestined" ... when its not in the verse.

Calvinism mind virus, causes the infected deceived person to see the words "predestined" "elect".. everytime they see these words in a NEW TESTAMENT

"As many"
"All"
"Everyone"
"Whosoever""
"The World"

Calvinism is a mind virus, its demonic, and it causes the person to see those words, as "elect" and "pre-destined".

It also causes the deceived person to see "foreknowledge"......as "God caused it"......"Pre-destined", and ForeKnowledge, means that God knew it......but it does not mean that God caused it, or pre-destined it.

Do you hear the clanging cymbal yet?

 

[Ritajanice]

I have known that I’m in the spiritual realm, the moment the Spirit gave birth to my spirit....I too was led to church, but, I’ve never heard God speak to me in an audible voice.
When he testified with my spirit it wasn’t audible....it was Spirit to spirit....it can’t be explained ....it’s amazing how he reveals his Living Spirit to us all so differently...in .ways that we can understand .

Romans 8:8-9​

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New International Version​

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8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.
9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes. All the time. Jesus audibly tells me to go where I am called when I'm called

Crikey....what does his audible voice sound like?

Do you hear him internally from within your spirit or externally?

Do you hear him calling you outside of you?

 

[Rockerduck]

I understand it in the sense that he pursues us to do his will @Rockerduck ....as he has pursued me to do his will....at first I didn’t understand his will in an area of my life....he kept pursuing me and showing me...until I got it and understood his will...in that area.

This part I have no understanding Of whatsoever.
...because God chose me..I had no say in becoming Born Again...
I believe that there is an appointed time, when the Living Spirit Of God births those he has chosen...that’s my belief...like when he chose to birth my spirit into his...he did it all.....all Glory goes to God...in my becoming Born Again ....it was “ mind blowing “..

I referenced the timetable question with the calling. God Choses some and calls many. Thats the best way to describe it. The Chosen are filled with the spirit for a lifetime and are evangelical, excited, enjoy life fuller, because of the washing of the Blood and being cleansed. I understand exactly what you are saying.