LGBTQ

[CadyandZoe]

yet you refuse to look at any research because it might contain something you don't want to hear

And you refuse to hear sound reason and logic. Why is that?

 

[CadyandZoe]

How would you know?

I could confront each of these lies but you would just keep telling them wouldn't you

Maybe htey lost their job for giving covid patients medication for roundworm.

Okay, we seem to be at a point in the discussion where you will respond with incredulity. But you must know that during my many discussions with atheists, they always reminded me that incredulity is not proof.

At this point, my only advice is, "Be careful who you follow."

 

[Wrangler]

The point is, orientation is an aspect of human growth; young boys hang around each other until their teenage years when their bodies begin to change. After that, they prefer to be with girls. The same is true the other way.

Same-sex orientation in adulthood is the result of a damaged psyche, being stuck at a particular stage of growth. Same-sex orientation is the result of childhood trauma or pedophilia. It's a disease.

I just wanted to compliment you on a wonderfully thoughtful and patient analysis to our anti-Biblical friend.

 

[Jack]

What agenda?

Your anti Bible agenda!

 

[Ezra]

They are a minority

do YOU support their lifestyle? as in saying its ok to be lgbt? do you believe they are Lost ? last what is the watchman's job in ezekiel chapter 3 and 33? what is the results if we fail to do what is told? actually they are humans like us but there minds is sick. they are Not a minority nor should they be treated wrong.. answer my questions

 

[TinMan]

That is laughable

well...post it. Post the actual gay agenda right here.

 

[Jack]

well...post it. Post the actual gay agenda right here.

Anti Bible is quite the gay agenda!

 

[TinMan]

Okay, let's go with that for the sake of argument. Perhaps you don't know that a particular aspect of "orientation" is an aspect of human development. Boys play with boys and girls play with girls. No one teaches boys and girls to act this way, this kind of behavior is unlearned.

Evidence that this has anything to do with orientation as you claim.
Evidence that it is not learned?

Later in life, boys suddenly discover girls. When a boy becomes a teenager, his hormones begin to emerge. The same is true for the girls. And suddenly the courting process begins.

For many. but some go courting members of their own gender.

The point is, orientation is an aspect of human growth; young boys hang around each other until their teenage years when their bodies begin to change. After that, they prefer to be with girls. The same is true the other way.

Same-sex orientation in adulthood is the result of a damaged psyche,

You keep claiming that and i keep asking for any evidence to back it up but....still no evidence.

being stuck at a particular stage of growth.

Evidence?

Same-sex orientation is the result of childhood trauma or pedophilia.

Evidence?

It's a disease.

Evidence?

The desire to identify and heal a disease is not bigotry. Jesus demonstrated over and over again that healing someone is an act of love.

They arn't sick and the attempt to "heal" lgbt individuals causes actual damage.

I hesitate to give you an answer on a public forum in case a child might inadvertently read this. Let me just put it this way. I can give you two examples that I think will be acceptable in a public forum.

You claimed there was criteria for self hatred. If you can't back that up just admit it

Gay pride month is the worship of Baal Peor, the god of "any hole" and the practice of degrading passions.

How is telling this vile lie "healing"?

You have a strange understanding of the word "hate." Facing reality isn't hate.

You called a minority broken sick antihuman and antifamily ...the reality is that this is hate

Suppose a woman's lipstick was smeared. Is it hate to hold up a mirror so she can see the problem herself? I don't think so.

Are you telling her that her make up issues are the result of her sick and broken psyche?

Suppose a dictator will not allow children to live with their own parents, is it hateful to identify him as "antifamily?" I don't think so.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott directed the state’s family policing agency, the Texas Department of Family Protective Services (DFPS), to begin investigating parents with transgender teens and to forcibly remove trans children from their parents.

How is that for anti-family?

Do you think that I am engaged in nothing more than name-calling?

Are you pretending you aren't engaging in that behavior?

If they are virgins, they are not homosexual. Ever wonder why the term "homosexual" has the word "sexual" in it?

the same reason heterosexual has sexual in it.

What were you when you were a virgin?

It does, however, make this information irrelevant.

False. if there are biological features to orientation then it can't be a behavior.

I already raised this issue with you earlier. Everyone wants to be loved. Some are willing to take the expression of "love" in any form. A man wanting to have sex with a woman might say to her, "If you love me you will do this." Some women, seeking to be loved, will comply with his request. Other women know, either explicitly or instinctively know that love involves more than physical intimacy.

Yes it does, why do you deny that love involves more than physical intimacy for LGBT people?

You are talking about a bunch of confused people who are developmentally stunted and confused about what love really is.

I have to agree that anyone who thinks LGBT individuals can express feelings beyond physical intimacy are confused, developmentally stunted and don't seme to know what love is.

Still on about "findings"?

They have the courage to face the strange. It takes courage for a man to marry a woman. Or maybe he didn't realize what he was getting himself into. It takes courage for him to remain in a committed relationship.

And LGBT people don't face the same challenges?

Do you really need findings? All it takes is a casual study of human behavior.

Which shows your position to be just wrong

Some are good uses, some are bad uses. Some are wise uses some are foolish uses. We Christians are not utilitarian's. We do not affirm the doctrine of Utilitarianism, which says, "An action is right insofar as it promotes happiness." I'm sure a lot of gay people are happy,

HOw could broken and disturbed people who can't express love be happy? Are3 are you going to pretend that if they are happy it is just a sign of how sick they are.

 

[TinMan]

And you refuse to hear sound reason and logic. Why is that?

you haven't presented any.

 

[TinMan]

Okay, we seem to be at a point in the discussion where you will respond with incredulity. But you must know that during my many discussions with atheists, they always reminded me that incredulity is not proof.

At this point, my only advice is, "Be careful who you follow."

and absence of evidence for claims is what exactly?

 

[TinMan]

do YOU support their lifestyle? as in saying its ok to be lgbt? do you believe they are Lost ? last what is the watchman's job in ezekiel chapter 3 and 33? what is the results if we fail to do what is told? actually they are humans like us but there minds is sick. they are Not a minority nor should they be treated wrong.. answer my questions

What lifestyle are you talking about?

Justifying prejudice against a minority by calling them sick or diseased is not treating ANYONE well

 

[Jack]

you haven't presented any.

Are you a politician by any chance?

 

[Ezra]

What lifestyle are you talking about?

Justifying prejudice against a minority by calling them sick or diseased is not treating ANYONE well

look your not a lawyer and this is not a court of law. it appears you answered the question as in YES you support the Lifestyle in other words you condone and support the lgbt movement . in which case you should do some deep soul searching

 

[Jack]

What lifestyle are you talking about?

Justifying prejudice against a minority by calling them sick or diseased is not treating ANYONE well

God calls it "shameful".

Romans 1
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful,

 

[CadyandZoe]

well...post it. Post the actual gay agenda right here.

It's called the "gay" agenda but it is actually an antihuman agenda. There is a strong and powerful group of people that are using vast amounts of wealth to promote population reduction. In addition to that, there is another group of people that use vast amounts of wealth toward the destruction of American culture in order to make people amenable to global governance. The gays are just useful idiots and pawns in this deadly game.

 

[CadyandZoe]

you haven't presented any.

I have given you reasons based on design.

 

[RLT63]

well...post it. Post the actual gay agenda right here.

Here’s an example

Gay Lobby Demands More Gay Movie Characters Even Though They Are Already OVERREPRESENTED BY 460%

GLAAD says big-budget Hollywood films don't include enough gay, lesbian and transgender characters even though LGBT characters overrepresented by 460 percent

dailycaller.com

Who pushed to get gay marriage legalized?
Who lobbies filmmakers to have more LGBTQ characters?
Who worked the court system all the way to the Supreme Court to make gender identity and sexual orientation protected just like minorities?
Who is pushing for gender reassignment for younger and younger kids?
Who is pushing LGBTQ material in grade schools?
Why does the Navy have a drag queen representing its recruiting efforts?
Why did the Biden administration have a cross dressing, non binary person who likes to steal women’s clothing in a high ranking nuclear energy position?
It used to be about acceptance. Then it was about gay marriage. Then it was about normalizing transsexuals. Now it’s about sexualizing our children. And it will never stop. Once a concession is made a new issue is raised. The goal is to make LGBTQ the norm and for straight people to be the ones who are not normal. That is the message they are sending our children.
It is a well organized, relentless movement and the corporate world is embracing and promoting it. It backfired for Bud Light and Target and they lost billions but by and large the corporate world is still actively promoting it.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Evidence that this has anything to do with orientation as you claim.

What is orientation if not a preference for a particular type of people? Anyone who grew up around other children can testify to what I said. Boys play with boys and girls play with girls.

Evidence that it is not learned?

Well, you need to make up your mind. Is orientation learned or not learned?

For many. but some go courting members of their own gender.

No one goes courting the opposite sex. They might attempt to deceive someone into having sex with them under false pretenses.
We are all hardwired with curiosity. Many people engage in roll reversal because they are very curious about what things are like for the other person. This is the result of God-given sympathy. We want to know what it is like to walk in the other person's shoes. So, for a time, we act the part, pretending to be another person.

You keep claiming that and i keep asking for any evidence to back it up but....still no evidence.

You don't seem to understand. Same-sex orientation IS proof of a damaged psyche. No one in their right mind would allow another person to penetrate them in places that should not be penetrated.

Evidence?

Evidence?

Evidence?

Design, design, design.

They arn't sick and the attempt to "heal" lgbt individuals causes actual damage.

Yes, people die on the operating table. But it doesn't follow that we should abandon attempts to heal.

You claimed there was criteria for self hatred.

You didn't let me finish. Why is that?

How is telling this vile lie "healing"?

Coming to terms with the problem is the first step in healing.

You called a minority broken sick antihuman and antifamily ...the reality is that this is hate

No. I was talking about behavior, wasn't I? Yes. How many times did I tell you that LGBT is behavior?
Have you never read, "Faithful are the wounds of a friend, But deceitful are the kisses of an enemy." Proverbs 27:6?

Are you telling her that her make up issues are the result of her sick and broken psyche?

In case you haven't noticed, I'm not falling for your trick. You are not going to embarrass me into being silent on this issue. You and I know that I am not being hateful. You can't manipulate me through my emotions. Not going to happen.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott directed the state’s family policing agency, the Texas Department of Family Protective Services (DFPS), to begin investigating parents with transgender teens and to forcibly remove trans children from their parents.
How is that for anti-family?

First of all, there is no such thing as transgenderism. This term came out of the Frankfurt School as the means to destroy society and weaken the military in preparation for invasion.

Second of all, some parents have been duped into thinking that a child needs a sex change operation in order to live a happy life. This too is a damnable lie. Greg Abbott is both wise and righteous to protect children from wokism.

Are you pretending you aren't engaging in that behavior?

No pretense on my part.

the same reason heterosexual has sexual in it.

Then give in to reason. It's called "homo[sexual]" because it describes a sexual behavior, not a state of being. People are not born homosexual because God created them male and female. But even if by chance someone were born homosexual, and I am not saying they are, then they have the free will to abstain or remain celibate.

What were you when you were a virgin?

A person.

False. if there are biological features to orientation then it can't be a behavior.

I didn't say orientation was a behavior. I said that homosexuality was a behavior. I said that orientation is God-given, which can be broken. Those who are oriented toward the same sex are broken.

Yes it does, why do you deny that love involves more than physical intimacy for LGBT people?

The love is real, which is why people are easily manipulated into a practice that is contrary to the created order. But often people confuse love with need. Same result.

I have to agree that anyone who thinks LGBT individuals can express feelings beyond physical intimacy are confused, developmentally stunted and don't seme to know what love is.


And LGBT people don't face the same challenges?

No. They don't.

Which shows your position to be just wrong.

My position is based on my worldview, which comes from the Bible. The Bible speaks truthfully about the human condition.

HOw could broken and disturbed people who can't express love be happy? Are3 are you going to pretend that if they are happy it is just a sign of how sick they are.

Don't lose the point. Christians do the right thing because it IS the right thing. We need no other reason than that. My point is this, I am not arguing for the practical reasons to avoid wickedness.

 

[CadyandZoe]

and absence of evidence for claims is what exactly?

That's my point. It doesn't follow that the absence of evidence falsifies a truth claim. All things being equal, that would be true, but not all things are equal. We are living in a culture where knowledge is being suppressed, where truth is being censored, where opponents are being punished. People are losing jobs, respected positions, licenses, teaching fellowships, and other things, simply for holding a different opinion from the current paradigm. Google, facebook, instagram, wikipedia are all being expunched of contrary opinions. The fair market of opinion is closed.

I'm hoping and praying that something I say will challenge you to look at the state of our culture with an eye toward the information war being waged in our country and around the world. Just keep your eyes open.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Here’s an example

Gay Lobby Demands More Gay Movie Characters Even Though They Are Already OVERREPRESENTED BY 460%

GLAAD says big-budget Hollywood films don't include enough gay, lesbian and transgender characters even though LGBT characters overrepresented by 460 percent

dailycaller.com

Who pushed to get gay marriage legalized?
Who lobbies filmmakers to have more LGBTQ characters?
Who worked the court system all the way to the Supreme Court to make gender identity and sexual orientation protected just like minorities?
Who is pushing for gender reassignment for younger and younger kids?
Who is pushing LGBTQ material in grade schools?
Why does the Navy have a drag queen representing its recruiting efforts?
Why did the Biden administration have a cross dressing, non binary person who likes to steal women’s clothing in a high ranking nuclear energy position?
It used to be about acceptance. Then it was about gay marriage. Then it was about normalizing transsexuals. Now it’s about sexualizing our children. And it will never stop. Once a concession is made a new issue is raised. The goal is to make LGBTQ the norm and for straight people to be the ones who are not normal. That is the message they are sending our children.
It is a well organized, relentless movement and the corporate world is embracing and promoting it. It backfired for Bud Light and Target and they lost billions but by and large the corporate world is still actively promoting it.

The corporate world is under extreme pressure from the banks. These companies don't want to lose money but the have no choice. Have you heard of the ESG score? A prelude to the mark of the beast I imagine.