LGBTQ

[RLT63]

"You can love them without approving of what they do." I have several nieces and nephews that are living together, like it's the norm...and it is!!! One time, not too long ago it was a disgrace, not anymore! One of my nieces has a three year old child with her childhood boyfriend. For the life of me, I cannot understand WHY they do not want to marry! sigh.

Now adays it's:
1st comes baby in a baby carriage.
Then comes marriage...or not.

Evil good
Good evil

"Come Lord Jesus, come."

And I bet you love them just the same

 

[Nancy]

And I bet you love them just the same

NOT to the point of condoning their orientation being accepted within the church, if that's what you are trying to sneak in perhaps, brother?
I know well what the bible says about sin, all of it and it is crystal clear to me.
I just thought of this verse. I haven't thought about in a while!

Proverbs 6:16-19
"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren."

The last abomination, italicized, is so prevalent in all the "church's I have attended in the last 13 years alone!

Be blessed

 

[Nancy]

NOT to the point of condoning their orientation being accepted within the church, if that's what you are trying to sneak in perhaps, brother?
I know well what the bible says about sin, all of it and it is crystal clear to me.
I just thought of this verse. I haven't thought about in a while!

Proverbs 6:16-19
"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren."

The last abomination, italicized, is so prevalent in all the "church's I have attended in the last 13 years alone!

Be blessed

Oh, BTW YES I do "...love them just the same"

 

[RLT63]

No, I just meant you probably love them. Your post told me you didn’t condone what they did. I’m not trying to sneak anything in, I have a similar situation

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Leftists often play word games. They think they are so smart in ‘saying things without saying things.’ They deny saying EXACT set of words as a defense of saying other words that are not defensible.

It’s such a childish ideology.

He would make a good Priest ?

I seen on VT just of late a story of a bald headed woman singer in Ireland and what she said of the Priest, it was shocking !
If she is correct but, she is not in fact regarding as to the Bible and the Doctrines concerning such she spoke of, but then again if she is correct about such Priest ? well now some are truly devils to be sure to be sure !
No one could be so stupid to swallow what she claimed the Priest were claiming. or maybe she is right ? regarding some Priest.

I am thinking Ireland being so RC and nowadays Ireland to me comes across as the most disgusting turnabout RC Mob of idiots, i use to love the Irish people i got along real well with them but now i don't anymore. Something is clearly gone wrong in Ireland, it's like a massive brainwashing has swept over them and the trash have taken over. much the same as in Australia and the USA but not as badly percentage wise with our lot.

I think that when the Rot had set in with Christianity Ireland's Christianity roots were or had been set upon by the Satanist that started infesting the Churches from the 1920's on and in the 1960's this was being plundered to become festering and then as now that festering has became a puss. due to all of the Satanic workings peddled over the years has payed off. The plans have worked a treat and it came about within the Churches due to corruption within !

I warned such people that they were heading for a disaster back in the 80's that They will destroy the Church, but they could not care less at all ! and now they are even far worse ! For they have no real regard for Christ Jesus at all, but for a Religion of their own making, like old RustCan who is totally devoid of Christ Jesus and is peddling a humanistic Bot program.

 

[TinMan]

LGBTQ does not meet your definition of a minority - quote “A minority is a culturally, ethnically, religious or racially distinct group that has a shared sense of collective identity and community that coexists with but is subordinate to a more dominant group with socially shared rules about who belongs and who does not.” Gender identity and sexual preference are not cultural, ethnic, religious or racially distinct characteristics.

Yes they are a culturally distinct group having all the hallmarks of such.
Specific mode of clothing. check, in fact several
A shared history and traditions. Check.
Shared values. Check
Shared language and symbols. Check
A collective identity. Check


They have a collective identity

They coexist with a more numerous and more dominate group
They are subordinate to that group

They are a minority.

 

[TinMan]

I’m not prejudiced, I don’t advocate discrimination and I certainly don’t endorse violence against anyone I just disagree with these people. I still have a right to disagree. I believe in this country people are guaranteed life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I don’t want to interfere with anyone’s pursuit of happiness whatever that may be. But I disagree with you and people like you want to take away my right to disagree.

When you tried to associate LGBT individuals with pedophiles what exactly were you disagreeing with?

 

[TinMan]

Orientation is a preference. I prefer the opposite sex. Some people prefer the same sex. Your preference defines your orientation. You and people pushing your agenda say otherwise but orientation is defined by who you prefer.

a preference is a greater liking for one alternative over another or others but does not exclude the other alternative. People who prefer chocolate ice over vanilla are still happy to have vanilla ice cream. If you are saying you have a preference for the opposite sex you are also saying you would be ok with the same sex....making you bisexual and a member of the LGBT minority.

 

[TinMan]

Why are they trying so hard to push their agenda on children? In schools, libraries ,on social media, cartoons, tv shows, movies, and even comic books

What agenda?

 

[TinMan]

He denied there is an agenda. He implies it is all organically evolving.

and when I asked to be shown this agenda ..... the only response was being shown a piece of very funny satire.

 

[TinMan]

It is an organized, relentless movement to indoctrinate children and shut down anyone who disagrees

that is fundamentalism

 

[Wrangler]

and when I asked to be shown this agenda ..... the only response was being shown a piece of very funny satire.

Denial. The agenda has been explained over and over again to you in this very thread. Know Christ and you will know the truth, the way and the life.

What is cultural Marxism? | GotQuestions.org

What is cultural Marxism? How should a Christian view cultural Marxism? What is the cultural Marxist worldview?

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How Cultural Marxism Threatens the United States—and How Americans Can Fight It

www.heritage.org

Cultural Marxism Is Real — The James G. Martin Center for Academic Renewal

Cultural Marxism exists. It has a history, followers, adherents, and left a perceptible mark on academic subjects and lines of inquiry.

www.jamesgmartin.center

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4406044

 

[Wrangler]

Why are you posting here @TinMan?

@TinMan, you missed this question.

 

[Wrangler]

Who called anyone horrible names? @Wrangler ? I missed that post.

His claims lack a factual basis. It is not about the facts. It's about our feminized society embracing victim mentality and victim entitlement.

Cut off a man's penis. The woman is the victim.​

Burn a man in bed. The woman is the victim.​

Commit perjury. False charges of abuse or crimes. The woman is the victim.​

That somehow, the claim of being a victim is both virtuous and a cause for one's cause to win in the name of "equality" per the evil of feminism. When the woman commit's crimes and does wrong, we are endlessly lectured of the need to understand what 'the oppressor' did to make her do it. Those deemed "the oppressor" get no such equal consideration. Expanding on this base are all sorts of "minorities." See intersectionality and the growth of "genders."

Since LBGT have been called horrible names ... Whereas, criminals and sinners are "victims" of horrible consequences of their choices ... Political Correctness ... Free Speech is Hate Speech ... Let Cultural Marxism reign supreme. Long live the gay agenda - from being a crime to being tolerated, to accepted to approved to Pride Months and grooming our children for pedophilia starting in kindergarten ... Replace the Bible in elementary schools with sexually explicit books ... Deny the gay agenda. Deny Cultural Marxism ... Death to America and the Christian culture from which it came ... and all that.

It's not the evidence. It's the seriousness of the accusation.
Anita Hill

 

[Jack]

@TinMan, you missed this question.

And this forum is for (Christians Only) and yet he rejects our Bible.

 

[RLT63]

And this forum is for (Christians Only) and yet he rejects our Bible.

I know another Christian Forum where he would fit right in

 

[TinMan]

Denial. The agenda has been explained over and over again to you in this very thread. Know Christ and you will know the truth, the way and the life.

What is cultural Marxism? | GotQuestions.org

What is cultural Marxism? How should a Christian view cultural Marxism? What is the cultural Marxist worldview?

www.gotquestions.org

How Cultural Marxism Threatens the United States—and How Americans Can Fight It

www.heritage.org

Cultural Marxism Is Real — The James G. Martin Center for Academic Renewal

Cultural Marxism exists. It has a history, followers, adherents, and left a perceptible mark on academic subjects and lines of inquiry.

www.jamesgmartin.center

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4406044

and...still no gay agenda

 

[Wrangler]

and...still no gay agenda

And what do you call this progression, the result of no agenda?

Since LBGT have been called horrible names ... Whereas, criminals and sinners are "victims" of horrible consequences of their choices ... Political Correctness ... Free Speech is Hate Speech ... Let Cultural Marxism reign supreme. Long live the gay agenda - from being a crime to being tolerated, to accepted to approved to Pride Months and grooming our children for pedophilia starting in kindergarten ... Replace the Bible in elementary schools with sexually explicit books ... Deny the gay agenda. Deny Cultural Marxism ...

 

[RLT63]

and...still no gay agenda

That is laughable

 

[CadyandZoe]

Sadly so does bigorty

The difference being that murder and bigotry are both behaviors that people choose to engage in and both cause harm. Where as orientation is inborn

Okay, let's go with that for the sake of argument. Perhaps you don't know that a particular aspect of "orientation" is an aspect of human development. Boys play with boys and girls play with girls. No one teaches boys and girls to act this way, this kind of behavior is unlearned.

Later in life, boys suddenly discover girls. When a boy becomes a teenager, his hormones begin to emerge. The same is true for the girls. And suddenly the courting process begins.

The point is, orientation is an aspect of human growth; young boys hang around each other until their teenage years when their bodies begin to change. After that, they prefer to be with girls. The same is true the other way.

Same-sex orientation in adulthood is the result of a damaged psyche, being stuck at a particular stage of growth. Same-sex orientation is the result of childhood trauma or pedophilia. It's a disease.

The desire to identify and heal a disease is not bigotry. Jesus demonstrated over and over again that healing someone is an act of love.

And what is the criteria?
Or is this just something you made up?

I hesitate to give you an answer on a public forum in case a child might inadvertently read this. Let me just put it this way. I can give you two examples that I think will be acceptable in a public forum.

For the first example consider the following passage.

Romans 1:24-27

Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.​

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For this reason, God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.​

You should know that Paul sometimes employs the word "dishonor" to indicate something that is considered trash, something like toilet paper. He is saying that when someone has been given over to impurity, that person treats his or her own body as toilet paper. And he says such people have been given over to degrading passions.

What are "degrading" passions? A degrading passion is a desire to debase or degrade another person for the sake of pleasure. Contrary to what some might think, everyone is binary. Let me say that again, EVERYONE IS BINARY. In order for same-sex activity to take place, one person plays the role of the giver, while the partner plays the role of the receiver. And typically, the giver debases the receiver.

For the sake of pleasure, one person agrees to allow another person to treat them like toilet paper, like something to be discarded and flushed down the toilet.

For the second example consider the worship of Baal Peor. According to the Jewish encyclopedia, "The worship of this idol consisted in exposing that part of the body which all persons usually take the utmost care to conceal." As I understand it, the name of the god literally means something like "any hole." Those who worship this god are committed to the idea that "any hole will do" as it pertains to sexual intimacy. I leave it to you to imagine the worship of this idol. Suffice it to say, it involved an orgy.

Gay pride month is the worship of Baal Peor, the god of "any hole" and the practice of degrading passions.

Its amazing you claim you don't hate but then you post things like this.

You have a strange understanding of the word "hate." Facing reality isn't hate.

Suppose a woman's lipstick was smeared. Is it hate to hold up a mirror so she can see the problem herself? I don't think so.
Suppose a dictator will not allow children to live with their own parents, is it hateful to identify him as "antifamily?" I don't think so.
Suppose a brutal man decides to put people in a zoo, treating them like animals, is it hateful to identify that man as "antihuman." I don't think so.

Do you think that I am engaged in nothing more than name-calling?

Unless they are virgins.

If they are virgins, they are not homosexual. Ever wonder why the term "homosexual" has the word "sexual" in it?

That doesn't change the fact that the traits common to homosexuals are all biological.

It does, however, make this information irrelevant.

behavior pattern is a complex arrangement of two or more responses that occur in a prescribed order. Which doesn't come close to things like romance, love and pair bonding.

I already raised this issue with you earlier. Everyone wants to be loved. Some are willing to take the expression of "love" in any form. A man wanting to have sex with a woman might say to her, "If you love me you will do this." Some women, seeking to be loved, will comply with his request. Other women know, either explicitly or instinctively know that love involves more than physical intimacy.

You are talking about a bunch of confused people who are developmentally stunted and confused about what love really is.

And yet it is part of creation. See above

So is murder and so is pedophilia. Welcome to the deep end of the pool. But just because we can find such a practice with in creation, it doesn't follow that such practices are not violations of the created order. Freedom of the will, remember?

You not liking a study's findings doesn't make anything suspect.

Still on about "findings"?

Other humans?

They have the courage to face the strange. It takes courage for a man to marry a woman. Or maybe he didn't realize what he was getting himself into. It takes courage for him to remain in a committed relationship. (Why do you suppose that women are always complaining that their boyfriends have commitment issues?) Women pal around with each other because they feel comfortable. Men pal around with each other because they feel comfortable. In order for either of them to commit, both need to be willing to leave their comfort zone.

Do you really need findings? All it takes is a casual study of human behavior.

But people use screwdrivers to pry off the lids of paint cans and hammers to put the lids back on.

Most dads will warn their sons to avoid this. My dad told me to never use a screwdriver to pry the lid off of a paint can. Damage can and will occur. My dad never warned me against allowing another man to degrade me. He didn't need to warn me, I already knew this from the start.

Some people use bats when they go out gay bashing

Point taken. But I don't think you mean to say that a bat was created for gay bashing. Understand?

and all of the above have multiple uses

Some are good uses, some are bad uses. Some are wise uses some are foolish uses. We Christians are not utilitarian's. We do not affirm the doctrine of Utilitarianism, which says, "An action is right insofar as it promotes happiness." I'm sure a lot of gay people are happy, but it doesn't make them right though. Christians are folks who do the right thing because it's the right thing even if it doesn't make us happy.