Keys to Understanding the True Gospel

[face2face]

Hi all...

Especially those who took part in the recent locked thread GJohn 1.1 ἦν

I was impressed how civil we all were given the subjects sensitivity and forum rules. Maybe the ban has created in us an awareness of how easy it is to denigrate each other, rather than working through the subject in a loving and caring way. Yes, there was the odd comment, such as "and the ad hominems thick as peanut butter", but overall we held our composure - so well done!

I wanted to move the discussion to looking at, "what are the Keys which unlock the True Gospel?" and what are the Keys of Knowledge in a more general sense.

Take Rev 1:18 as an example:

"I have the keys of hell and of death"

Not literal keys of course but the power to unlock both the grave and the bonds of mortality. An understanding of the gospel comprises the key to that end (Matt. 16:19·1 Cor. 15:54-55).

I maintain nothing is said in Scripture of an ethereal spirit being unlock from the body and wafting heavenward - its ALL about the grave and how one can exit it.

More to come

F2F

 

[face2face]

Why is death, grave & mortality the sole focus of the Gospel?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Why is death, grave & mortality the sole focus of the Gospel?

Mostly for eternity and immortality the lot of all mankind.

 

[face2face]

Mostly for eternity and immortality the lot of all mankind.

Are you one of those Ronald?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Are you one of those Ronald?

one of what?

 

[quietthinker]

Why is death, grave & mortality the sole focus of the Gospel?

Have you eclipsed the resurrection? Have you exchanged man's murderous activity in preference to God's liberating activity in Jesus resurrection?

 

[face2face]

Have you eclipsed the resurrection?

No because that is the whole point of Christ now having the authority and power from His Father to unlock the grave and change what is mortal to immortal.

Have you exchanged man's murderous activity in preference to God's liberating activity in Jesus resurrection?

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Have you grasped the Love of a Father in offering His Son of a sacrifice for sin?

F2F

 

[face2face]

I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Mt 16:19.

I (God) will place the key to the house of David on his shoulder. When he opens the door, no one can close it; when he closes the door, no one can open it. I will fasten him like a peg into a solid place; he will bring honor and respect to his father’s family Is 22:21–23.

What observations can we make concerning the Keys and the Kingdom of Heaven?

This must be symbolic of Power, which must speak to the same in Revelation 1:18!

Christ has the Keys to unlock graves and provide immortality
If he has these keys then he must also be able to take possession of the house!
He brings honor & glory to his Father's family

Whats also interesting is the scribes had the key to the treasures of divine wisdom Math 13:52.

Now...in Christ

in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. Col 2:3

So the Keys were lost by the Scribes and Pharisees (by vain traditions / pride) and now given to Peter to lock and unlock things in Heaven.

It seems this theme of keys is rather important.

F2F

 

[Ritajanice]

The keys to Gods Kingdom , is the heart.

Jeremiah 29:13says: "You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart." The Lord holds the "key" to our heart. Seek Him and find Him waiting patiently and lovingly for you.

We need to grasp the Love Of God in our hearts, for God to give us Christ, to watch him die, that unimaginable death on that cross..,..that is to know the depth of Love the Father has for us...” in our heart”.


Only God can unlock the grave...bring us from death to life, by the mighty power of His Spirit.

He wants “ALL” to come to repentance , in Jesus Name. Amen!

When we find him, you can never let him go...imo.

 

[face2face]

The keys to Gods Kingdom , is the heart.

Jeremiah 29:13says: "You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart." The Lord holds the "key" to our heart. Seek Him and find Him waiting patiently and lovingly for you.

We need to grasp the Love Of God in our hearts, for God to give us Christ, to watch him die, that unimaginable death on that cross..,..that is to know the depth of Love the Father has for us...” in our heart”.

He wants “ALL” to come to repentance , in Jesus Name. Amen!

When we find him, you can never let him go...imo.

I think it certainly plays a large part though knowledge and understanding read as though are the important part of understanding the Gospel.

But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

All the Apostles seem to agree on this point.

F2F

 

[quietthinker]

I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Mt 16:19.

I (God) will place the key to the house of David on his shoulder. When he opens the door, no one can close it; when he closes the door, no one can open it. I will fasten him like a peg into a solid place; he will bring honor and respect to his father’s family Is 22:21–23.

What observations can we make concerning the Keys and the Kingdom of Heaven?

This must be symbolic of Power, which must speak to the same in Revelation 1:18!

Christ has the Keys to unlock graves and provide immortality
If he has these keys then he must also be able to take possession of the house!
He brings honor & glory to his Father's family

Whats also interesting is the scribes had the key to the treasures of divine wisdom Math 13:52.

Now...in Christ

in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. Col 2:3

So the Keys were lost by the Scribes and Pharisees (by vain traditions / pride) and now given to Peter to lock and unlock things in Heaven.

It seems this theme of keys is rather important.

F2F

hmmmm, and you have the keys f2f? Then pray, tell us of the nature of the Power of God?

 

[Ritajanice]

Short commentary.

It is the very energy of the life of God himself. It is the supernatural energy that emanates from God's being. (2) This supernatural and divine energy or power quite literally fills and indwells the bodies and souls of every born-again believer. God does not call upon us to speculate about the nature of this power.

Who can understand the nature of Gods divine power....certainly..” not me”.....

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

Who can understand the nature of Gods divine power....certainly..” not me”.....

no one can unless God himself show it to them

 

[Cyd]

Why is death, grave & mortality the sole focus of the Gospel?

I don't know why you would even say this... the Gospel is about life and light over death and darkness. Christ's words only word search would tell you this, this is how many times said by Christ.

The word death (20 times) darkness (14 times) the word life (62 times) the word light (30 times)

To me the Gospel is about life this says it best.

John 10:10 (KJV) The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why is death, grave & mortality the sole focus of the Gospel?

Because

the wage of sin is death.

if this is not resolved, death, the grace and mortality are in essence going to win.

If it is resolved,

death. The grace and mortality have no power.

 

[face2face]

Because

the wage of sin is death.

if this is not resolved, death, the grace and mortality are in essence going to win.

If it is resolved,

death. The grace and mortality have no power.

@Cyd it's commendable you seek to look at the positive aspect of the Gospel and you are correct to a point. The focus from the beginning was to overcome deaths dominion in the earth. His plan at its centre, concerns deaths removal.

Do me a favour and search the NT for all the occurences of "through death" or "by his blood" and you will see that light had to come out of darkness.

Eternally is correct.

Many Christians focus on life without understanding what God did in death.

F2F

 

[quietthinker]

@Cyd it's commendable you seek to look at the positive aspect of the Gospel and you are correct to a point. The focus from the beginning was to overcome deaths dominion in the earth. His plan at its centre, concerns deaths removal.

Do me a favour and search the NT for all the occurences of "through death" or "by his blood" and you will see that light had to come out of darkness.

Eternally is correct.

Many Christians focus on life without understand what God did in death.

F2F

Perhaps you can highlight and point out your own deficits instead of those of others?.....
Perhaps you can ask for advice instead of assuming the role of advisor?

 

[face2face]

hmmmm, and you have the keys f2f? Then pray, tell us of the nature of the Power of God?

Hi Quiet, that's a good question.

If the Scribes held the keys to the Wisdom of God and did not make the right use of them, it would infer, would it not, that these Keys can be used today? Can be in peoples possession.

Take Peter as an example: Did not he unlock the “door of faith” in Acts 14:27 - to Jew first in Acts 2 and then to the Gentiles Acts 15:7?

If you agreed with that then where is the Power found?

And if you had that unlocked faith would you want to share it with others?

F2F

 

[face2face]

Perhaps you can highlight and point out your own deficits instead of those of others?.....

This seems to be an issue for you quiet!

Is this not the focus of the Gospel? The point of the OP? Was I wrong to agree with Eternally if they can see the point?

who was appointed the Son-of-God-in-power according to the Holy Spirit by the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ro 1:4.

Is it wrong to show the Gospels main focus is coming out of death?

If I have a deficit, which you say, in what context do they fit into this OP - please explain

Perhaps you can ask for advice instead of assuming the role of advisor?

Advice is asked when it's needed. One would be insincere if they pretended to seek help when it's not required. Now if you want to contribute to the OP, feel free! If you have deficits you want to share, or advice you seek, ask away.

Of you have an insight into this subkect I'm keen to hear it.

F2F

 

[quietthinker]

Hi Quiet, that's a good question.

If the Scribes held the keys to the Wisdom of God and did not make the right use of them, it would infer, would it not, that these Keys can be used today? Can be in peoples possession.

Take Peter as an example: Did not he unlock the “door of faith” in Acts 14:27 - to Jew first in Acts 2 and then to the Gentiles Acts 15:7?

If you agreed with that then where is the Power found?

And if you had that unlocked faith would you want to share it with others?

F2F

Romans 1:16
'For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes:.....'

The keys unlock the 'mystery' held for generations ie, the true nature of God's Kingdom.....one of generosity of kindness towards the undeserving.......contrary to the understanding of God itching to dish out retributive justice and the model mankind has used in understanding and interpreting justice.