God doesn't cast His pearls before swine, He speaks in a way as destroys the pigs.
Justified by Works
- Thread starter GracePeace
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
No, I said "IF" it is not also the case you are misled, it's bad enough that you are potentially misleading others.
I never said we were under the Law.
The Law produces a righteousness of our own.
We are under Grace.
Grace is God's righteousness at work in us to will and do.
Grace produces conviction in us, revealing God and God's righteousness as we walk in those convictions, inaccurate as they may be.
I think edifices are evidence man believes in erecting their ego under Heaven.
I don't believe those egos are able to overshadow God's Spirit of truth. Which exists in all of creation. There is only one truth of and in God. Not many
Ego is what insists there be many. And while there are many of those there is only one God of truth. And God's word does not stutter.
Youre going off at a tangent. I know, today, you have not said believers are under law. I don't know why you even mentioned it
Irrespectively, the Bible truth must have Bible answer because we bring our suppositions to bear on Scripture--but Scripture must inform and correct us, because Scripture interprets Scripture, and we aren't Scriptural enough at first to understand Scripture.
When you said we were justified by faith alone, I disagreed, saying it was only part of the truth, so I incorporated that idea that faith was always intended to be understood as something that needed to be walked in not only held.
If you want to understand Paul's message as to how sin is to be overcome, you would have to accept, he believed we were justified by faith alone
Love this and correct you are-we tend to bring in our own biases and presuppositions especially in the exegesis of Scripture.
J.
Not so--Paul was still having to overcome boasting after he was saved, because he continued in walking before/relationship with Christ by faith, and Christ sent a messenger of satan to buffet his body to prevent Paul from boasting. Boasting isn't done away with by "faith alone". Holiness is a process--and it is all by the Law of Faith, walking in faith.
If you are referring to 2Cor ch11, he spoke like that for a reason. Nevertheless, Paul's core message hinges on believing you are righteous by faith alone
This is where I contend you are only partially correct : the man who believed the Gospel. and was justified by God's righteousness by grace through faith, but does not ALSO WALK in faith is not justified but "condemned" (Ro 14:5, 23) because God is not his righteousness because he isn't in faith.
Hebrews 10:38,39 says nothing but what Romans 14:23 says : if you do things that you doubt are correct, not things you are fully persuaded are correct, you are condemned, because God's [justifying] righteousness is revealed from faith to faith (Ro 1:17), steps of faith (Ro 4:12).
In your book, the guy cannot be condemned, because he has already had faith one time; in my book, I understand that WALKING in faith is what is required, so I can account for how he is condemned for not having God as his righteousness.
So if a person believes the levitical unclean foods are still unclean and eats them, he is condemned to hell?
Peter came from a Torah background, so, yes, for him, he was bound to that conviction, and he walked by it--however, after a while, God intervened, and introduced greater truth to him, and he understood he was free from that.
Paul says the Jew doesn't need to become Gentile, nor the Gentile a Jew--we are to remain as we were found, in terms of convictions (if you break your convictions, you are scared, and you run from God), and God will lead us into truth, in His time, from where He found us. He accepts us as we are. Thus the Jew is free to observe the sabbath, and the Gentile is free to not observe (Ro 14).
If we disown him,
he will also disown us;
13 if we are faithless,
he remains faithful,
for he cannot disown himself. 2Tim2:12&13
I didnt mention peter, what is being referred to in the passage you quoted is simply clean/unclean foods
Walking in Faith:
2 Corinthians 5:7 – "For we walk by faith, not by sight."
Romans 1:17 – "For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, ‘The just shall live by faith.’"
Hebrews 11:6 – "But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him."
James 2:17-18 – "Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, 'You have faith, and I have works.' Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
Galatians 2:20 – "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me."
Walking in the Spirit:
Galatians 5:16 – "I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh."
Galatians 5:25 – "If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit."
Romans 8:1 – "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit."
Romans 8:4 – "That the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."
Ephesians 5:18 – "And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit."
These verses emphasize both faith and walking in the Spirit as essential parts of a believer's life, stressing the dynamic and ongoing relationship between trusting God and living under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
J.
