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uncle silas

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I stand by my view on the verses (which I read in context, not in a vacuum, so I understand the main goal of his argument is that the Galatians are not to be persuaded with a persuasion that does not come from God (Gal 5:7,8), but which is a doctrine of demons 2 Ti 4:1, which, therefore, separates them from God (Gal 1:6, 5:3,4))--and I stand by the fact that God's justifying righteousness by faith is not merely to be held but God's justifying righteousness by faith is also to be walked in, proven by the fact that the believer who does not walk in faith is "condemned", not justified, because we're justified by God's righteousness by grace through faith, but, walking in doubt, he is not retaining God's righteousness, thus he is condemned.

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Which law do you believe is in a believers heart and mind?
 

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Which law do you believe is in a believers heart and mind?
God's Law is being written in our hearts, by the Spirit, in accordance with promises He made about the New Covenant--this is what it means to be "under Grace", and not "under Law"--faith without works doesn't justify, but condemns the man who only has faith but doesn't walk in faith!
 

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God's Law is being written in our hearts, by the Spirit, in accordance with promises He made about the New Covenant--this is what it means to be "under Grace", and not "under Law"!
I asked you which specific law you believe is written in the minds and placed on the hearts of believers
 

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No you haven't. Which law/commandments are written in the mind and placed on the heart of a believer?
"Love is the fulfillment of the Law" (Ro 13:8-10), and we walk in love by walking in faith (Gal 5)/conviction authored by Christ (Ro 14:5).
 
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It is what I have asked God for, so I don't have to be confused when I read. LOL
One important point to emphasize is the necessity of mentioning Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the significance of the Cross, as well as the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. Many do not believe in the bodily resurrection of the Messiah, which is a crucial doctrine for us. In this Age of Enlightenment, there is a growing denial of the core beliefs we hold dear, and this can quickly devolve into an intellectual discussion.

We must recognize that there are only two camps: those who have the Spirit and those who do not—often likened to wolves in sheep's clothing (Matthew 7:15). This is your opportunity to rightly divide the Scriptures, as Paul instructs in 2 Timothy 2:15, and to feed God's flock with the truth of His Word.

As Peter reminds us in Acts 4:12, salvation is found in no one else but Jesus, and we must keep the focus on His redemptive work, allowing the Holy Spirit to guide our discussions and reveal the truth of the Gospel. This is vital for maintaining the integrity of our faith in a world that increasingly questions it.

Shalom.
J.
 

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So you believe only the specific law of love is in the heart and mind of believers?
"Against [the fruit of the Spirit] there is no law" (Gal 5) : when we walk in the Spirit, walk in faith, we fulfill the righteous requirement of the Law, because we do no harm to our neighbor (eg, do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, etc).
 

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"Against [the fruit of the Spirit] there is no law" (Gal 5) : when we walk in the Spirit, walk in faith, we fulfill the righteous requirement of the Law, because we do no harm to our neighbor (eg, do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, etc).
are the commandments not to steal, bear false witness, covet, take the Lord's name in vain, murder, in the hearts and minds of believers?
 

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One important point to emphasize is the necessity of mentioning Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the significance of the Cross, as well as the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. Many do not believe in the bodily resurrection of the Messiah, which is a crucial doctrine for us. In this Age of Enlightenment, there is a growing denial of the core beliefs we hold dear, and this can quickly devolve into an intellectual discussion.

We must recognize that there are only two camps: those who have the Spirit and those who do not—often likened to wolves in sheep's clothing (Matthew 7:15). This is your opportunity to rightly divide the Scriptures, as Paul instructs in 2 Timothy 2:15, and to feed God's flock with the truth of His Word.

As Peter reminds us in Acts 4:12, salvation is found in no one else but Jesus, and we must keep the focus on His redemptive work, allowing the Holy Spirit to guide our discussions and reveal the truth of the Gospel. This is vital for maintaining the integrity of our faith in a world that increasingly questions it.

Shalom.
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It's true--and, as I see it, our "steps of faith" ought to be so as to proclaim God's kindness to us--know God, and make God known, as Paul says, "Though I am free from all, I have made myself a servant of all, that I might save some." So, our "walking in faith" has an end : "we rejoice in hope of God being glorified [so that souls might be saved]."
 
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are the commandments not to steal, bear false witness, covet, take the Lord's name in vain, murder, in the hearts and minds of believers?
What ever the Spirit instructs us to do, our walking in that automatically causes those commands to be fulfilled in us by God's righteousness.
 

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You're not confident to answer a very simple question are you
By your own standard, have you been "confident" to answer the simple reality of how the person who does not walk in the Law of Faith, not merely hold faith, fully persuaded in his own mind, is sinning against God and is therefore condemned? We've been going on that question for many pages now.
 

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By your own standard, have you been "confident" to answer the simple reality of how the person who does not walk in the Law of Faith, not merely hold faith, fully persuaded in his own mind, is sinning against God and is therefore condemned? We've been going on that question for many pages now.
I did answer it. When we are faithless he remains faithful for he cannot disown himself
 

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It's true--and, as I see it, our "steps of faith" ought to be so as to proclaim God's kindness to us--know God, and make God known, as Paul says, "Though I am free from all, I have made myself a servant of all, that I might save some." So, our "walking in faith" has an end : "we rejoice in hope of God being glorified [so that souls might be saved]."
@Johann "A righteousness of my own" points people to me, to trust in me, to praise me, but "God's righteousness" points people to God, to trust in God, to praise God's glorious grace.
 

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I did answer it. When we are faithless he remains faithful for he cannot disown himself
And your "answer" was answered : "if we deny Him He will deny us" refers to peoples' righteousness being "forgotten" (in accordance with Ezekiel 18:24--eg, Matthew 18, parable of the unforgiving steward), and "if we are faithless He remains faithful" refers to the fact that if we sin (unfaithfulness) He remains faithful and righteous and will forgive us (1 Jn 1).

Surely you don't think the two statements are stating one and the same truth.
 
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You're not confident to answer a very simple question are you
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Jesus Fulfilling the Commandments
Matthew 5:17-18
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished."

Romans 10:4
"For Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

Galatians 3:24-25
"So then, the Law was our guardian until Christ came, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."

Believers' Ability to Obey
John 14:15
"If you love me, you will keep my commandments."

1 John 2:3-6
"And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says 'I know him' but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked."

Romans 8:3-4
"For God has done what the Law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."

Philippians 2:12-13
"Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure."

1 John 5:2-3
"By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome."


These scriptures collectively affirm that Jesus fulfilled the Law and that through faith in Him, believers are empowered by the Holy Spirit to live in obedience to God’s commandments, reflecting the love of Christ in their actions.

What nomos/entole?

You shall have no other gods before me.
You shall not make for yourself a carved image.
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet.
New Testament Context
In the New Testament, Jesus emphasizes the importance of love as the fulfillment of the Law. In Matthew 22:37-40, He summarizes the commandments:

Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind.
Love your neighbor as yourself.
He indicates that all the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments, highlighting that true obedience to God involves a heart posture of love.


Believers' Obedience
While the Ten Commandments remain significant, New Testament teachings stress that believers are empowered by the Holy Spirit to fulfill God's commandments through love, embodying the essence of the Law in their daily lives. This reflects an internal transformation rather than mere external compliance.

Eis-Into Christ Jesus.
J.