John Calvin and Calvinism.

[praise_yeshua]

He has done no such thing.

In his theology. He certainly has. Just like you have.

 

[reformed1689]

When you claim that God chose YOU... you are replacing Jesus Christ.

So God chose Jesus to be saved? That makes NO sense you realize that right?

 

[praise_yeshua]

That is the how, I did not ask how. I asked why. Of course Scripture is enough, but you are giving irrelevant Scriptures.

"The Good Pleasure of His Will".

 

[reformed1689]

I'm not going to answer every question you ask and you not do the same in return.

Becuase it destroys your argument. And I AM answering your questions.

 

[praise_yeshua]

So God chose Jesus to be saved? That makes NO sense you realize that right?

No. That is your fabrication. I said that God choice Jesus Christ first.

 

[reformed1689]

In his theology. He certainly has. Just like you have.

No, this is a horrible ad hominem, strawman attack. You are debating a theology made up in your own mind, not reformed theology.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Becuase it destroys your argument. And I AM answering your questions.

No you're not. You're ignore a very large portion of what I've said. You don't get to ask all the questions and get all the answers.

 

[praise_yeshua]

No, this is a horrible ad hominem, strawman attack. You are debating a theology made up in your own mind, not reformed theology.

No. I'm dealing with reformed theology. You believe that God chose you. That the carnal mind intruding itself in God's choices.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Becuase it destroys your argument. And I AM answering your questions.

Start a thread on the verse. I'll participate.

 

[praise_yeshua]

LOL! The Son proceeds from the Father, and the Spirit proceeds from the Father in the Son's name. They have many attributes, but "intrinsic quality" is just... well, silly. The triune Jehovah is what He is.

You are unlearned and unskilled in rejecting "Intrinsic qualities" in the discussion of the Hypostatic Union. Ask your friend @reformed1689

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Wow, this praise fella is just mad and angry at us calvinists.
Hard to talk sense into a mad person.

 

[PinSeeker]

I don't believe you. I believe the Scriptures.

Those to statements contradict each other... :)

You're either purposely lying or you don't know any better.

Neither is the case.

Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isa 42:2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
Isa 42:3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

Ah, you misunderstand Isaiah, too. What Isaiah is saying here, PY ~ poetically ~ is that our election is really a matter of being chosen in Jesus. Which... you're proving the Reformed position (Jesus is not chosen by God as we are, as you so mistakenly stated, among other things), and don't even realize it.

I said a "drowning man". You're conflating.

I know exactly what you said, and am pointing out your error in thinking a man is merely "drowning" (so to speak; I know you meant it metaphorically), and stating it Biblically, that the natural man is dead. So no, I'm not "conflating" anything.

Why are you being so deceptive?

Again...

Why are you constantly trying to foist things on others?

It doesn't seem like you really care that much for Jesus Christ.

I'm not sure what would give you that impression; I think you're just trying to "get back at me," or something like that. No, I love Him. Because He first loved me. I hope someday you understand what that means. But all that matters, really, is that you love Him, which I think you do.

You're always putting yourself before Him. Why is that?

Grace and peace to you, PY.

 

[reformed1689]

No. I'm dealing with reformed theology. You believe that God chose you. That the carnal mind intruding itself in God's choices.

No you are not dealing with Reformed Theology. I don't know what you are dealing with but it definitely isn't Reformed Theology.

 

[reformed1689]

No you're not. You're ignore a very large portion of what I've said. You don't get to ask all the questions and get all the answers.

What have I ignored? Nothing

 

[reformed1689]

No. That is your fabrication. I said that God choice Jesus Christ first.

Chose for WHAT? We are talking about salvation. Are you saying God chose Christ to be saved? If not, Chose Jesus FOR WHAT?

 

[PinSeeker]

You are unlearned and unskilled in rejecting "Intrinsic qualities" in the discussion of the Hypostatic Union.

Sorry; I like that GIF. Marlon was a great one.

I'm quite familiar with the Hypostatic Union. The term sounds fancy in English, but it’s actually a simple term. Hypostatic means personal. The hypostatic union is the personal union of Jesus’s two natures.

"Intrinsic qualities"... That's kind of clumsy, in my opinion, and not really a correct way of characterizing it, but if you believe the above, great. I really don't care how you state it or what terms you use.

Anyway, "yeah"... Maybe you are just angry.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Sorry; I like that GIF. Marlon was a great one.

I'm quite familiar with the Hypostatic Union. The term sounds fancy in English, but it’s actually a simple term. Hypostatic means personal. The hypostatic union is the personal union of Jesus’s two natures.

"Intrinsic qualities"... That's kind of clumsy, in my opinion, and not really a correct way of characterizing it, but if you believe the above, great. I really don't care how you state it or what terms you use.

Anyway, "yeah"... Maybe you are just angry.

Grace and peace to you.

You cared earlier. What changed your mind? Your mistakes are not my responsibility.

Hypostatic is a reference to the PERSON of Jesus Christ. The Perfect union of two natures in One Person. Your appeal to "personal" is ridiculous. Google only gets you so far. You can't learn the complicated construct of such teachings by Googling through a few contradictory articles.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Chose for WHAT? We are talking about salvation. Are you saying God chose Christ to be saved? If not, Chose Jesus FOR WHAT?

See. You don't know. Have you ever cared to know? You began with Calvin's mistake and you continue in Calvin's mistake. He cared about himself and fashioned a theology that would promote his fallacy that God choose him.

The answer escapes you and it is so very simple.

Exaltation.

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Your name doesn't matter at all. His does. He will not share His Glory with you. God chose Jesus Christ for exaltation. Not you.

 

[praise_yeshua]

No you are not dealing with Reformed Theology. I don't know what you are dealing with but it definitely isn't Reformed Theology.

You don't speak for reformed theology. Finer theologians than yourself have tried. We have their teachings. We don't need you to tell us what they mean.

 

[reformed1689]

You don't speak for reformed theology. Finer theologians than yourself have tried. We have their teachings. We don't need you to tell us what they mean.

Another strawman. I never claimed to. But I am sure all Calvinists on this board would agree you have yet to actually accurately articulate any piece of Reformed Theology.