John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

[Wrangler]

Why do you keep calling Jesus the son of God? Is it just because that's what the scriptures call him about 40 times? :)

Yea, trinitarians make it seem like God is incapable of communicating directly.

I love how they claim only the Spiritually mature can ‘see’ their mystical truth that CONTRADICTS God’s explicit words. Yea, right!

 

[Rich R]

Yea, trinitarians make it seem like God is incapable of communicating directly.

I love how they claim only the Spiritually mature can ‘see’ their mystical truth that CONTRADICTS God’s explicit words. Yea, right!

Gnosticism comes to mind. They certainly had their "secrets" that also didn't make any sense.

 

[Wrangler]

Gnosticism comes to mind. They certainly had their "secrets" that also didn't make any sense.

So, they myopically define Gnosticism to be a 1st century heresy AS IF they are not guilty of invoking special knowledge now.

 

[Rich R]

So, they myopically define Gnosticism to be a 1st century heresy AS IF they are not guilty of invoking special knowledge now.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

Gnosticism may have begun in the 1st century, but it's alive and well today in the trinity as well as the dead don't really die, (they just "move" to a higher plane or something. Have to wonder why the resurrections in Revelation if we're already alive), wine and bread turning into blood and flesh, and many other orthodox doctrines.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Despite his not being God, Jesus was nothing at all like Mohamed. I'm pretty sure that Mohamed sinned at some point in his life. In fact, thanks to Adam, he came into this world with a sin nature, so he, like the rest of us, was bound to sin and did sin.

Jesus, on the other hand, came into this world just like Adam came into this world, i.e., without sin. Both had free will. Adam used his free will to try and become like God. Jesus faced the same temptation, but didn't choke like Adam choked.

Jesus was tempted just like all of us. Do you feel like God when you are tempted? I don't think so. If Jesus knew he was God his temptations would be nothing at all like ours. In fact, God can't be tempted at all!

How about the temptation to call 12 legions of angels to get him off the cross? Jesus said he could have done that. I undoubtedly would have called them up way before the first nail! But Jesus, facing the same temptation said, "No. I will not do my will but the will of my Father."

I suppose it must have been quite tempting to accept the devil's offer to be the leader of the entire world. He could have had that position right then and there, but again Jesus followed his Father's will and believed the promise God made to him of being the leader of the world after his death and resurrection.

Just think a bit on the nature of temptation and the temptations Jesus faced during his life. If he were God they'd be meaningless and they would certainly not be the same as those faced by free will humans. Well, as it says, Jesus was tempted like us, not like God (if God could even be tempted).

Jesus was the only begotten son of God. The Bible says that many times. Nowhere do we see a God the Son in the scriptures. What is wrong with that?

Very good points raised here, but sadly the mindset of trinitarians will not allow them to reason on the scriptures, which is what Jesus and the apostles did, especially Paul, who was a former Pharisee and well versed in the holy writings which he said were “inspired of God and beneficial for setting things straight”. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
Those inspired writings do not contradict themselves....trinitarian belief clearly does.

Another important thing to consider is the ransom itself....i.e. WHY Jesus came as a human to offer his life for the redemption of the human race.

God’s law was “eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life”...not complicated or mysterious....just the principle of God’s justice...equivalency....like for like. Jesus’ human life had to therefore be the exact equivalent of Adam’s human life when he disobeyed and caused sin and death to be inherited for all his children. (Romans 5:12)

To redeem something is to offer the exact price demanded for its return....and why it is also called a “ransom”. (Matthew 20:28)

The exact price in the value of Jesus’ life was a “sinless life for a sinless life”. No other human on earth could redeem anyone because “all sinned and fell short” of what was required.

Jesus could NOT have been God because the price was too high to pay for mankind’s redemption. That would be like offering a hundred trillion cans of bug spray to deal with one mosquito.
And an immortal God cannot die....so Jesus had to be in every respect, mortal...the exact equivalent of Adam, which is why he is called “the last Adam”. (1 Corinthians 15:45)

The concept of a God/man is human invention, and has no scriptural support if one does any kind of serious research.

It is good to see that many are realizing the error of the trinity concept as something read into scripture, rather than something that is plainly stated. If there was a direct statement that Jesus is Yahweh God Almighty, we would not still be involved in this debate centuries later.

Knowledge hopefully dispels error, and the origins of this doctrine are now more obvious as people replace mere belief with sound knowledge of the scriptures. The whole Bible is God’s word, not cherry picked verses that can be mistranslated or misconstrued to mean something that was never intended.

 

[tigger 2]

Hallelujah means praise the LORD.

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No, Hallelujah means "praise" [hallel] "Jah" or "Yah" the short form of "Jehovah" [or "Yahweh" if you prefer]. -p. 450, New Bible Dictionary, 2nd ed., Tyndale House Publ., 1984.

"Hallelujah - Praise ye Jehovah .... The Greek form of the word (alleluia) is found in Rev. 19:1,3,4,6." - p. 276, Today's Dictionary of the Bible, Bethany House Publ., 1982.

 

[Rich R]

Very good points raised here, but sadly the mindset of trinitarians will not allow them to reason on the scriptures, which is what Jesus and the apostles did, especially Paul, who was a former Pharisee and well versed in the holy writings which he said were “inspired of God and beneficial for setting things straight”. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
Those inspired writings do not contradict themselves....trinitarian belief clearly does.

Another important thing to consider is the ransom itself....i.e. WHY Jesus came as a human to offer his life for the redemption of the human race.

God’s law was “eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life”...not complicated or mysterious....just the principle of God’s justice...equivalency....like for like. Jesus’ human life had to therefore be the exact equivalent of Adam’s human life when he disobeyed and caused sin and death to be inherited for all his children. (Romans 5:12)

To redeem something is to offer the exact price demanded for its return....and why it is also called a “ransom”. (Matthew 20:28)

The exact price in the value of Jesus’ life was a “sinless life for a sinless life”. No other human on earth could redeem anyone because “all sinned and fell short” of what was required.

Jesus could NOT have been God because the price was too high to pay for mankind’s redemption. That would be like offering a hundred trillion cans of bug spray to deal with one mosquito.
And an immortal God cannot die....so Jesus had to be in every respect, mortal...the exact equivalent of Adam, which is why he is called “the last Adam”. (1 Corinthians 15:45)

The concept of a God/man is human invention, and has no scriptural support if one does any kind of serious research.

It is good to see that many are realizing the error of the trinity concept as something read into scripture, rather than something that is plainly stated. If there was a direct statement that Jesus is Yahweh God Almighty, we would not still be involved in this debate centuries later.

Knowledge hopefully dispels error, and the origins of this doctrine are now more obvious as people replace mere belief with sound knowledge of the scriptures. The whole Bible is God’s word, not cherry picked verses that can be mistranslated or misconstrued to mean something that was never intended.

Very good. I especially liked what you said about ransom. God is the second Adam? I don't think so! Not even in the parking lot let alone the ballpark. :)

If God was going to make everything right all by Himself, it begs the question of why did He wait for 4,000 years before doing so? A lot of human misery took place in those 4 millennia. Did God just not care? If you Google that question, you'll get some pretty interesting reading (I wouldn't waste too much time though). Soon enough you'll see just how "resourceful" people can be when they have no real answer.

 

[face2face]

Yes, and it would also make no sense that Jesus was tempted just like the rest of us. I think having a consciousness of being God would render any temptation meaningless. I sure don't feel like I'm God when temptation comes my way. Then, being tempted just like me, neither did Jesus. In any case, Jesus was tempted and God can't be tempted, so that ought to settle the matter.

Can you imagine Jesus being tempted to call 12 legions of angels to get him off the cross? He could have done that. He said so. But he didn't because he was a man that loved that much. Making him God totally nullifies his true heroism. Does anybody think God could have succumbed to temptation (if He could even be tempted)? Of course not! Another who cares moment if Jesus is God.

Really like this

"I think having a consciousness of being God would render any temptation meaningless"

Him being raise up in our nature is where its at for me.

 

[Kermos]

Jesus himself stated that he was created....

“And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,

‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God". (Revelation 3:14 NKJV)

Your spirit of delusion, preaching that "the Beginning of the creation of God" means "I am a created creature" for Jesus, is exposed by your lies that you post.

You convey that Jesus is only a man or that He's a lesser god than YHWH God.

You convey that Jesus is the first man born because of Colossians 1:15 and/or Revelation 3:14.

Your confusion about Jesus mentioned near the word "creation" in Revelation 3:14 and Colossians 1:15 abounds, but this compilation clarifies the matter scripturally and Spiritually. First, here are the passages.

"To the angel of the assembly in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this" (Revelation 3:14).

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation" (Colossians 1:15),

Here are some specific scriptural instances that prove your error:

• Paul explained the firstborn in relation to the born of God persons (John 3:3-8) in this passage related to Colossians 1:15 "For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers" (Romans 8:29).
• Paul wrote "The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven" (1 Corinthians 15:47).
  • Adam is labeled "the first man" by the Apostle Paul.
  • By the very definition of Paul's writing in 1 Corinthians 15:47, it is impossible for Jesus, referred to as "the second man" by Paul, to be the firstborn of every single human being whether the person is saved or unsaved.
  • Paul's writing establishes limits on the "firstborn of all creation" (Colossians 1:15) and "Beginning of the creation of God" (Revelation 3:14) - both passages are truly referring to Jesus in relation to the brothers of Jesus, that is, Jesus is the focused starting point of the Assembly of God's children.
  • Substantively, Paul declares that Adam was the first man created.
• Jesus is the beginning of creation (Revelation 3:14) and the firstborn of all creation (Colossians 1:15) in that:
  • "All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being" (John 1:3), SO THE SON OF GOD, JESUS, DOES THE WORK OF BEGINNING THE CREATION AND THE WORK OF CONTINUING THE CREATION (REVELATION 3:14), JESUS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD BECAUSE JESUS IS NOT CREATED WHILE JESUS PERFORMED THE CREATIVE ACT.
  • The Apostle John, the same Apostle who penned The Book of Revelation, wrote "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God" (John 1:1-2), SO JESUS WAS WITH GOD, NO MENTION OF CREATED BY GOD, BUT JESUS WAS WITH GOD IN THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD.
  • "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void" (Genesis 1:1-2), SO, ACCORDING TO THIS WRITTEN SEQUENCE, FIRST, GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH WITH THE SEQUENCE CONCLUDING WITH THE CREATION OF MAN (GENESIS 1:26-31) AND THE FIRST MENTION OF A BIRTH IS CAIN (GENESIS 4:1); THEREFORE, THE "FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION" (COLOSSIANS 1:15) MUST OF NECESSITY BE REFERENCE TO JESUS BEING THE FIRST OF THE RESURRECTION.
  • "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation" (Colossians 1:15), SO THE SON OF MAN, JESUS, IS THE FIRSTBORN OF ALL THE BORN OF GOD PERSONS (JOHN 3:3-8), AND PAUL ESTABLISHES THIS CONTEXT IN COLOSSIANS 1:1-14 BEING ABOUT THE INSTITUTION AND GROWTH OF THE ASSEMBLY OF GOD - THE BORN OF GOD PERSONS.
  Jesus Christ is truly Man (Luke 1:26-33) - the Son of Man, and Jesus Christ is truly God (Luke 1:34-35, John 8:58, John 20:28, John 5:18, John 10:30-31) - the Son of God.
  • In Revelation 3:14 we find Christ referring to Himself in His capacity of truly God, Almight Creator of Heaven and Earth. Since "apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being" (John 1:3), then Jesus is not created because the Apostle John says there are no exceptions.
  • Since Jesus can say one sentence with multiple meanings; therefore, in Revelation 3:14, also, we find Christ referring to Himself in His capacity of the Son of Man - He is the Beginning of the resurrection among many brothers born of God for He says to the self same assembly "He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne" (Revelation 3:21). Jesus is the leader among the Assembly of God (God's Ecclesia).
  • In Colossians 1:15 we find Paul referring to Christ in His capacity of the Son of Man - He is the firstborn after the crucifixion among many brothers born of God. Jesus is the Redeemer among the Assembly of God (God's Ecclesia) in His glorious Resurrection.
• Colossians 1:15 does not state that the Son of God, Jesus Christ, was created.
• Revelation 3:14 does not state that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was created.
• Jesus is God for the ever living Jesus proclaims this Truth "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM" (John 8:58), so according to the Christ, Lord Jesus existed in eternity past which means He is uncreated thus He is YHWH God for there are NO other gods (Isaiah 45:5).

 

[Kermos]

Nonsense.....you have been horribly misled by the greatest liar in existence. To put any other "gods" in the Father's place is a clear breach of the first Commandment. Christendom has two "gods" that it has put in the Father's place, claiming 'co-eternity and co-equality with one who has no equal. Jesus knew that, and he was happy to be his Father's servant. (Acts 4:27)


You fail on every point.....but I know you will not believe what we say...so be it. Jesus will soon tell us all whether we were on the right road or not.

Your spirit of delusion, preaching that "Jesus is not I AM", is exposed by your lies that you post.

Truly, Lord Jesus Christ says "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58).

It is SO important to believe Jesus is "I AM" that He says "unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins" (John 8:24).

Jesus proclaiming that He is "I AM" IS JESUS PROCLAIMING THAT HE IS YHWH GOD (EXODUS 3:14).

PRAISE BE TO THE HOLY LIVING GOD, MY LORD, IMMANUEL!

You thinking and preaching that "Jesus is not I AM" IS YOUR LIE - not God's Truth (John14:6) - but truly your deception, and Jesus says "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies" (John 8:48).

Immanuel (Matthew 1:23 "God with us"), Jesus, is truly Almighty God, YHWH, with us (Revelation 1:8) (see see the Truth [John 14:6] that God had me compose in post #283 to expose the deception of tigger 2 and Rich R).

 

[Rich R]

Your spirit of delusion, preaching that "Jesus is not I AM", is exposed by your lies that you post.

Truly, Lord Jesus Christ says "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58).

It is SO important to believe Jesus is "I AM" that He says "unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins" (John 8:24).

Jesus proclaiming that He is "I AM" IS JESUS PROCLAIMING THAT HE IS YHWH GOD (EXODUS 3:14).

PRAISE BE TO THE HOLY LIVING GOD, MY LORD, IMMANUEL!

You thinking and preaching that "Jesus is not I AM" IS YOUR LIE - not God's Truth (John14:6) - but truly your deception, and Jesus says "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies" (John 8:48).

Immanuel (Matthew 1:23 "God with us"), Jesus, is truly Almighty God, YHWH, with us (Revelation 1:8) (see see the Truth [John 14:6] that God had me compose in post #283 to expose the deception of tigger 2 and Rich R).

Is everyone who says, "I am" also God? Lots of folks said that.

 

[Wrangler]

Is everyone who says, "I am" also God? Lots of folks said that.

I've asked this same question many time. No answer.

 

[face2face]

• Paul wrote "The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven" (1 Corinthians 15:47)

Kermos,
You inference that Christ could not be a created being because he is from Heaven needs qualifying.
1. Does having your origin in Heaven preclude him from being created?
2. It is clear the Holy Spirit gave Christ the beginning of his life in the womb of Mary, so the question must be asked why give him life and existence in a woman? If he pre-existed? Angels present themselves from Heaven all the time throughout the Word?
3. The only difference between the first and second men is one was created from the earth and the other from Logos & from a woman Galatians 4:4-5

When I read your points I dont see any evidence to support your claims. If all things were created as a result of Christ being the Spiritual Creation then the Word makes sense. It can be said that all things exist because of the work God did in him.

Can you see how Christ is the firstborn of all Creation (Col 1:15)? The physical elements are meaningless without their Spiritual counterparts! What good is God separating light from darkness if you can't see that working in the life of a man such as Christ?

The biggest issue with Colossians 1 is the fact that Christ is head of the body. It's the spiritual body which is the context of Colossians 1 and you cannot have a firstborn from the dead or a firstfruits of them that sleep without a created man - God cannot be the head of man - impossible! God can be the head of Christ but not the head of man - man is a created being from his head to his toes! 1 Corinthians 11:3

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[face2face]

Your spirit of delusion, preaching that "Jesus is not I AM", is exposed by your lies that you post.
Truly, Lord Jesus Christ says "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58).

The issue you have here Kermos is not understanding why or how Jesus can refer to himself as "I am" and yet not be actual God. The first problem for you is not being open to understanding a deeper meaning to the Word. If you want to surface read it and accept it on face value by inferring Christ as God then the conversation cannot go anywhere!

Take John 8:23

Read John 8:14 Jesus didn't literally come down from Heaven in his current form - impossible, because even Jesus himself in Revelation states he is off the seed / offspring of David as per Revelation 22:16 - how can a glorified Christ sitting at the right hand of God on High claim to be the offspring of a man who is still in the grave to this day? Acts of the Apostles 2:29? You can't have the person of Christ without his human lineage, again impossible!

So how can it be said that he came down?

It was the Holy Spirit which came down from heaven and overshadowed the virgin Mary. The result was the conception of Jesus as per Luke 1:35. Jesus referred to his divine origin when he declared: "If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42).

So how was Jesus "from above"?

1. The things Jesus spoke came from his Father: "I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him." (John 8:26 cmp John 8:28).
2. His Father honoured and bore witness to him: "The Father that sent me beareth witness of me . . . It is my Father that honoureth me . . ." (John 8:18, John 8:54).

While Jesus was sinless and obedient to Christ being perfected by the Spirit and showing forth the praises of Him perfectly he can say he is "I am" as a direct manifestation of the Father.

You also need to deal with John 3:3 cmp John 3:7

If you believe Christ was born from above how do you receive his command?

You cannot be born from above Physically!...neither was Jesus. Only in a spiritual sense could they be born from above. By contrast, the Pharisees were motivated by the wisdom which did not come down from above, but which was "earthly, sensual, devilish." as per James 3:15.

So the "I am" subject and the "born from above" subject are linked because Jesus represented God perfectly but also became the firstborn from the dead - the first fruits of them that sleep - the first person to be born from above!

But if this does not find interest in you I have a challenge for you to consider.

If you are hellbent on believing that Jesus' use of the "I am" name is him teaching the Pharisees that he is "Very God", you need to prove this conclusively both from the text and Scripture itself. And I dont mean dumping a stack of verses in a post - I mean dealing with the text, context and nuances constantly used by Christ as per John 16:25

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[Kermos]

To put any other "gods" in the Father's place is a clear breach of the first Commandment. Christendom has two "gods" that it has put in the Father's place, claiming 'co-eternity and co-equality with one who has no equal. Jesus knew that, and he was happy to be his Father's servant. (Acts 4:27)


You fail on every point.....but I know you will not believe what we say...so be it. Jesus will soon tell us all whether we were on the right road or not.

Your spirit of delusion, preaching that Jesus being the One True God supercedes the Father being the One True God, is exposed by your lies that you post.

The One True God (Deuteronomy 6:4) is Spirit (John 4:24), and the One True God exists as the person of the Father (John 17:11, Romans 1:7) as well as the person of Jesus the Word of God (John 1:1, John 1:14, John 8:58) as well as the person of the Holy Spirit of God (John 14:16-17, Acts 5:3-4).

Here is an instance of Jesus, truly God, saying "I and the Father are One" (John 10:30) in which Jesus speaks in His capacity of God thus including both the person of Jesus and the person of the Father in the One True God.

The Word is not going to refer Jesus as God separate from YHWH God resulting in two gods, so neither do I; moreover, the Word maintains the integrity of the commandments.

You practice the lawlessness of thinking 'the Word was divine." (or "a god")' regarding John 1:1 (the word of Aunty Jane, as recorded in post #216 in this ChristianityBoard thread), so you label Jesus another god (or "a god") of whom you place said Jesus before Jehovah God to claim your own salvation.

In effect, you think John 1:1 contains "the Word was a god".

Since your heart contends that Jesus is "a god", then you have more than one god which places you in violation of "You shall have no other gods before Me" (Exodus 20:3).

According to your heart's treasure, you claim to have:

YHWH God + Jesus a god = two gods

LOOK AT YOUR FIRST QUOTED SENTENCE ABOVE, AND CLEARLY YOUR HEART PUTS "A GOD" NAMED JESUS FOR SALVATION IN THE PLACE OF THE ONE TRUE GOD BECAUSE "SALVATION BELONGS TO YHWH" (Psalm 3:8).

So, your thoughts are antichrist.

According to the Christ of us Christians, Who says "we are One" (John 17:22, "we" is Father and Word per "You, Father, are in Me and I in You" (John 17:21)), the person of the Father and the person of the Jesus are together the One True God (Deuteronomy 6:4).

The person of the Father (John 17:11, Romans 1:7) as well as the person of Jesus (John 1:1, John 1:14, John 8:58) as well as the person of the Holy Spirit of God (John 14:16-17, Acts 5:3-4) are together the One True God (Deuteronomy 6:4).

Immanuel (Matthew 1:23 "God with us"), Jesus, is truly Almighty God, YHWH, with us (Revelation 1:8) (see see the Truth [John 14:6] that God had me compose in post #283 to expose the deception of tigger 2 and Rich R).

 

[face2face]

"I and the Father are One" (John 10:30)

One in Logos correct.

 

[face2face]

Immanuel (Matthew 1:23 "God with us"),

Correct...God was in Christ (Logos) 2 Corinthians 5:19 Word of reconciliation ;)

 

[face2face]

@Kermos

Remove trinitarian dogma and look to use the Scripture to define the Godhead. God manifestation is the principle upon which God was in Christ. Jesus Christ is the perfect manifestation of deity in the flesh...that's as far as you can go Scripturally and you know it!

 

[face2face]

My Father greater than I
My beloved Son
Filled with grace and truth
Filled with wisdom
Spake as never man spake
Loved righteousness and hated iniquity
And so on....

Yes @Kermos all Logos; all speaking of "let this mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus"

“Which of you convinceth me of sin?...though possible if he stumbled!
Tempted as we are, yet without sin.”...first man to have victory over the flesh and given a name which is above every name (wasn't his name before!)

Once the true Christ is believed upon... the truine god is worthless (utterly).

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[Kermos]

My Father greater than I

My beloved Son

Filled with grace and truth

Filled with wisdom

Spake as never man spake

Loved righteousness and hated iniquity

And so on....


Yes @Kermos all Logos; all speaking of "let this mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus"


“Which of you convinceth me of sin?...though possible if he stumbled!

Tempted as we are, yet without sin.”...first man to have victory over the flesh and given a name which is above every name (wasn't his name before!)


Once the true Christ is believed upon... the truine god is worthless (utterly).


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Praise God for God has given me the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16), so the blessed, loving God of all creation shows me that Immanuel is YHWH God (Matthew 1:23).

See the next post for Apostolic testimony that Jesus is YHWH God.