Jesus was tempted

[pepper]

Isn't it amazing that people focus one part of Jesus than the other?

Not anymore. At first your effort was shocking. Now, it is pathetic.
How many of "you" are here?

I wonder if you are those few who "like" your false teaching.

 

[MatthewG]

I don’t think speaking for myself is really the thing. It’s not good to pick and pull at members on this board. However feel free to do as you wish. In the end, may the Holy Spirit guide all of us, and the Spirit of Christ and looking and seeking the Father in faith. It’s reminded to me to “worship the Father in spirit and in truth.”

What they may mean to people I don’t know, I can’t read hearts. Yahavah read the hearts of people.

 

[Johann]

I dont see where I have expressed any disagreement with you on " He could not be enticed by sin in the same way fallen humans are"

"No, he was being tempted to "tempt the LORD" by the tempter, and it was unsucessful because Jesus was not really tempted by the devils temptation."

This isn’t about disagreements, @Verily. I just felt the need to clarify-I’m old school and prefer to stick with biblical terminology rather than worldly philosophies.

All good?

J.

 

[pepper]

well dont heed Todd white , that man does the work of darkness my friend . OH darkness but he sure can
appear to be nice , kind and even loving . beware that man and its doctrine . Bible time .

Picking and pulling at God/Jesus character is his forte.

I don’t think speaking for myself is really the thing. It’s not good to pick and pull at members on this board. However feel free to do as you wish. In the end, may the Holy Spirit guide all of us, and the Spirit of Christ and looking and seeking the Father in faith. It’s reminded to me to “worship the Father in spirit and in truth.”

What they may mean to people I don’t know, I can’t read hearts. Yahavah read the hearts of people.

No. No.
Nothing you say proves that vacant rhetoric above is actually genuine as you now play the victim when your anti-Christ agenda is clear and exposed.

I'm going to ignore you now. You will answer to God for every word.
Your duplicitous spirit is identical to the enemy. Who can quote scripture and appear as an angel of light.

God's people are not fooled.
And if this is falsely construed as a personal attack, one should consider you slandering the image and likeness of God and His Gospel is exactly that. And it is a chronic offense.

 

[MatthewG]

You can say whatever you want. It is your choice.

Jesus was tempted is the topic.

 

[Verily]

"No, he was being tempted to "tempt the LORD" by the tempter, and it was unsucessful because Jesus was not really tempted by the devils temptation."

This isn’t about disagreements, @Verily. I just felt the need to clarify-I’m old school and prefer to stick with biblical terminology rather than worldly philosophies.

All good?

J.

I very much agree. But its okay to speak as unto carnal too

 

[Heart2Soul]

Fascinating. And I expect it always shall be.

For others here be aware of the above statement.

If you are new to study of Scripture take caution from it.

You cannot say you study the words of God and then electively discard passages that do not comport with your self appointed image of the god you prefer.

Be specific and give the scripture that contradicts my statement. Anyone can post ad hominems to discredit another person.
If you are referencing the Trinity, I wholeheartedly believe in it. But again you are not applying this in the right context.
Go study why Jesus had to be born in the flesh in order to become the sacrificial lamb to provide the blood covering for our sins.

 

[Heart2Soul]

You won't find any verse in context where Jesus experienced temptation inwardly like we do—because the Messiah is sinless.

And you added words that'd not appropriate nor in the text @Heart2Soul

Read the context carefully again.

J.

I copied and pasted directly from the KJV. Go study Jesus temptation in the wilderness.
You try to come across as highly knowledgeable and skilled in the Word of God but there are holes in your understanding that need to be filled with more than just a negating statement of my understanding.

 

[Ritajanice]

I copied and pasted directly from the KJV. Go study Jesus temptation in the wilderness.
You try to come across as highly knowledgeable and skilled in the Word of God but there are holes in your understanding that need to be filled with more than just a negating statement of my understanding.

What do you think of this.

Hebrews 4:14-16New Century Version (NCV) For our high priest is able to understand our weaknesses. He was tempted in every way that we are, but he did not sin. Let us, then, feel very sure that we can come before God's throne where there is grace. There we can receive mercy and grace to help us when we need it.

 

[Heart2Soul]

What do you think of this.

Hebrews 4:14-16New Century Version (NCV) For our high priest is able to understand our weaknesses. He was tempted in every way that we are, but he did not sin. Let us, then, feel very sure that we can come before God's throne where there is grace. There we can receive mercy and grace to help us when we need it.

Exactly, He was able to take the sins of the world upon himself because he conquered those sins in his own flesh.

 

[Ritajanice]

I copied and pasted directly from the KJV. Go study Jesus temptation in the wilderness.

I’m going to give this a good study,I believe God is leading me to do so..thank you for posting.

 

[Ritajanice]

Exactly, He was able to take the sins of the world upon himself because he conquered those sins in his own flesh.

Exactly, Amen!

 

[Johann]

I copied and pasted directly from the KJV. Go study Jesus temptation in the wilderness.
You try to come across as highly knowledgeable and skilled in the Word of God but there are holes in your understanding that need to be filled with more than just a negating statement of my understanding.

I suggest you conduct a thorough study, and I don’t appreciate your ad hominem counterattack. Jesus was in no way πειραζόμενος inwardly—His temptations were external, and He responded using Scripture. Understood?

Don't make this a personal issue between us.

Where do you find this? Which Bible? -- if he didn't have to wrestle with sin or rather the temptation to sin.

GREEK TERMS FOR TESTING AND THEIR CONNOTATIONS



There are two Greek terms in all their forms that have the connotation of testing, trying, or tempting someone for a purpose.

Dokimazō, Dokimion, Dokimasia
 This term is a metalurgist term for testing the genuineness of something (i.e., metaphorically someone) by fire (see SPECIAL TOPIC: FIRE). The fire reveals the true metal and burns off (i.e., impurities) the dross. This physical process became a powerful idiom for God and/or Satan and/or humans testing others. This term is only used in a positive sense of testing with a view towards acceptance (see SPECIAL TOPIC: GOD TESTS HIS PEOPLE [OT]).
 It is used in the NT of testing
oxen ‒ Luke 14:19
one's life ‒ 1 Cor. 3:13
ourselves ‒ 1 Cor. 11:28
believers approved by God ‒ 2 Cor. 10:18; 1 Thess. 2:4
even God ‒ Heb. 3:9; 1 Pet. 1:7
our faith ‒ James. 1:3
spiritual messengers or prophets ‒ 1 John 4:1
 The outcomes of these tests were assumed to be positive (cf. Rom. 2:18; 16:10; 2 Cor. 10:18; 13:3,7), therefore, the term conveys the idea of someone examined and approved
to be worthwhile
to be good
to be genuine
to be valuable
to be honored

Peirazō, Ekpeirizō, Peirasmos, Peirasmo
This term often has the connotation of examination for the purpose of fault finding or rejection. It is used in connection to Satan's tempting Jesus in the wilderness (cf. Matthew 4; Luke 4).
It conveys the attempt to trap Jesus (cf. Matt. 4:1; 16:1; 19:3; 22:18, 35; Mark 1:13; Luke 4:2; Heb. 2:18).
This term (peirazōn) is used as a title for Satan in Matt. 4:3; 1 Thess. 3:5 (i.e., "the tempter"; see SPECIAL TOPIC: SATAN).
Usage
It was used by Jesus warning humans not to test God (cf. Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12, [or Christ cf. 1 Cor 10:9]).
It also denotes the attempt to do something that has failed (cf. Heb.11:29).
It is used in connection with the temptation and trials of believers (cf. 1 Cor. 7:5; 10:9, 13; Gal. 6:1; 1 Thess. 3:5; Heb. 2:18; James. 1:2, 13, 14; 1 Pet. 4:12; 2 Pet 2:9).

In Hebrews 3:9 they are both used in their distinctive senses. Words have meaning only in contexts!

SPECIAL TOPIC: GREEK TERMS FOR TESTING AND THEIR CONNOTATIONS

Greek Terms for Testing -- Special Topic by Dr. Bob Utley, professor of hermeneutics (retired).

www.freebiblecommentary.org

J.

 

[Ritajanice]

How profound is this scripture.

“For the Lord takes pleasure in His people; He will beautify the humble with salvation.” Psalm 149:4. “By humility and the fear of the Lord are riches and honor and life.” Proverbs 22:4. “For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.” Luke 14:11.

 

[pepper]

You won't find any verse in context where Jesus experienced temptation inwardly like we do—because the Messiah is sinless.

And you added words that'd not appropriate nor in the text @Heart2Soul

Read the context carefully again.

J.

Have they yet introduced "the topic" that Jesus was born with a sin nature?

There are those who will insist that is true.

Meanwhile, the topic that Jesus was tempted is suppose to overcome the fact Satan was the tempter. And destined to lose before he started. Because the other thing that is being ignored in this thread Op is, Matthew 4:7 Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’(tempt God)”


James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.


Jesus led by example.
Because God cannot sin or fall into temptation.

"And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”​

​

 

[pepper]

Many here believe that Jesus had a sin nature, @pepper, or that He was merely a man prone to sinful inclinations-but they refuse to study for themselves and rightly divide the word of God.

You’ll encounter them sooner than you think, and they won’t welcome correction.

Kudos for your post.

God bless.

J.

Thank you .

I don't think I'd waste my time trying to correct fools.

A Sinner came to save Sinners including himself from Sin.
"In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God......and the word became (a sinner) and dwelt among us."


"Whoever corrects a scoffer gets himself abuse, and he who reproves a wicked man incurs injury. Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you; reprove a wise man, and he will love you." Proverbs 9:7-8

It is as they say. Not everyone who joins a Christian forum and claims to be in Christ is a Christian.

 

[Johann]

A Sinner came to save Sinners including himself from Sin.
"In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God......and the word became (a sinner) and dwelt among us."

This is blasphemous-there’s no need for further discussion.

The Word is Sinless:
John 1:14: "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth."

There is no mention of sin or sinful nature here; the focus is on the incarnation, where the eternal, divine Word took on human nature.

2 Corinthians 5:21: "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."

Jesus bore sin on our behalf but was Himself sinless.

1 Peter 2:22: "He committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth."

Hebrews 4:15: "For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin."

2. Theological Implications of Sinlessness:

If Jesus became a sinner, He could not be the spotless Lamb of God (John 1:29) required to take away the sin of the world. His sinlessness is essential for His role as the perfect sacrifice.

3. Misinterpretation of "Became Flesh":

The Greek phrase in John 1:14, "ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο" ("the Word became flesh"), emphasizes that the eternal Word assumed human nature, not a sinful nature. The term σὰρξ (sarx) does not imply sinfulness; it simply denotes humanity in this context.

4. False Addition to Scripture:
The phrase "the Word became a sinner" is not found in the Bible and directly alters the text of John 1:14.

Adding or altering Scripture is condemned (Deuteronomy 4:2; Revelation 22:18-19).

Your claim that "the Word became a sinner" distorts the nature of Jesus Christ, contradicts biblical teaching, and undermines the gospel. Jesus was and is the sinless Son of God who took on humanity to redeem us, not to partake in sin.

J.

 

[lforrest]

I believe Jesus experienced as a man the very thoughts we do, and therefore he shares the state of the human heart.

Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

From the heart flows all sorts of evil. But Jesus did not have an evil heart as he had no original sin to corrupt it.

The temptations he faced were external, from the enemy, attempting to manipulate him based on the good things he desired.

Jesus wanted to begin his ministry, and the devil used this to tempt him to perform a miracle.

Jesus also wanted to fulfill prophecy. He was careful not to test God unnecessarily.

Jesus wanted to restore all things to the way it was in Eden. That was the crux of his purpose on earth. The devil tempted him with the easy solution, that wouldn't have resulted in his death. What would have happened if he have taken the offer?

 

[pepper]

well dont heed Todd white , that man does the work of darkness my friend . OH darkness but he sure can
appear to be nice , kind and even loving . beware that man and its doctrine . Bible time .

Agreed.

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[pepper]

This is blasphemous-there’s no need for further discussion.

The Word is Sinless:
John 1:14: "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth."

There is no mention of sin or sinful nature here; the focus is on the incarnation, where the eternal, divine Word took on human nature.

2 Corinthians 5:21: "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."

Jesus bore sin on our behalf but was Himself sinless.

1 Peter 2:22: "He committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth."

Hebrews 4:15: "For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin."

2. Theological Implications of Sinlessness:

If Jesus became a sinner, He could not be the spotless Lamb of God (John 1:29) required to take away the sin of the world. His sinlessness is essential for His role as the perfect sacrifice.

3. Misinterpretation of "Became Flesh":

The Greek phrase in John 1:14, "ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο" ("the Word became flesh"), emphasizes that the eternal Word assumed human nature, not a sinful nature. The term σὰρξ (sarx) does not imply sinfulness; it simply denotes humanity in this context.

4. False Addition to Scripture:
The phrase "the Word became a sinner" is not found in the Bible and directly alters the text of John 1:14.

Adding or altering Scripture is condemned (Deuteronomy 4:2; Revelation 22:18-19).

Your claim that "the Word became a sinner" distorts the nature of Jesus Christ, contradicts biblical teaching, and undermines the gospel. Jesus was and is the sinless Son of God who took on humanity to redeem us, not to partake in sin.

J.

Well done. Though you do realize those truths will never reach those to whom we refer?