It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial
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rebuilder 454
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More avoidance! They do not exist.
Where is your trib mentioned in 1 Thess 4 after the rapture?
David in NJ
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rebuilder 454
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David in NJ
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What you need to do is what i do everyday.
Kneel before the LORD and pray - "LORD Jesus Christ, i only want to know your Truth, sanctify me in Your Truth = Thy word is TRUTH
Then you need to remind yourself - everyday - God's Commandment = Proverbs 30:5-6
rebuilder 454
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LOL. More avoidance. You have to. It is not there. You have been sold a lie.
Where is your trib mentioned in 1 Thess 4 after the rapture?
MA2444
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rebuilder 454
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rebuilder 454
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Well one thing is for sure.
When these post tribs start slapping down verses ,and shoving them off the table, it appears that in that unholy procedure, they have gone completely Bonkers, and have lost their minds in the process
When these post tribs start slapping down verses ,and shoving them off the table, it appears that in that unholy procedure, they have gone completely Bonkers, and have lost their minds in the process
LOL. You guys have zero support for your error. All you have now is avoidance and childishness. If you had Scripture, you would share it.
Your doctrine is dead! Give it a decent burial.
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No Pre-TB
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I'd like to mention something I have yet to see anyone post.
In Luke 19:12-15, Christ mentions the parable of the ten minas. He says,
He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return
We all know Christ died, resurrected and ascended to Heaven. His trip back to that far country to receive himself a kingdom and then return.
Ellicott compares this historical fact which was typical behavior during that time. He says, At the outset we have the new feature of the nobleman going “into a far country to receive a kingdom.” This had an obvious starting-point in the recent history of Judæa. Both the Tetrarch Antipas and Archelaus, on the death of their father, had gone to Rome to submit their claims to the kingdom to the decision of Augustus.
In Revelation 5, Christ appears in the throne room of God as a slain lamb and receives the scroll from the Father. He is found worthy to receive it and to open it; the scroll being the deed to the Earth (the Kingdom).
Notice that once he receives the scroll he will return. Not Twice, but one time. As it says in the next verse:
And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
A better translation would be, do business with this money and increase it till I return. Thats an interesting thought because:
1. It demonstrates Christ in Rev 5 is a past event. He doesnt travel for 2k years to heaven to receive the scroll. He received it in the past as he sat down with God in this throne.
2. When he returns, we are to be still increasing with what he gave us till he returns at his 2nd advent. Not a secret 2nd return, then a third return.
Then Christ said, And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
He then rewards all his servants one by one except there is one that was slothful. And in verse 27 he says,
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
An easy way to portray it is this: Christ goes back to heaven and receives the scroll around 30 AD (Rev 5). He leaves us and we are told to continue his business till he returns. When he does return, we are rewarded (Rev 11:18, Rev 22:12). He then destroys the wicked.
I don't see a Pre-Trib timeline anywhere in this. He returns one more time. We are told to stay till he returns. His reward is when he returns. His return coincides with wrath on the wicked. All of this harmonizes with scripture that isnt Pre-Trib.
In Luke 19:12-15, Christ mentions the parable of the ten minas. He says,
He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return
We all know Christ died, resurrected and ascended to Heaven. His trip back to that far country to receive himself a kingdom and then return.
Ellicott compares this historical fact which was typical behavior during that time. He says, At the outset we have the new feature of the nobleman going “into a far country to receive a kingdom.” This had an obvious starting-point in the recent history of Judæa. Both the Tetrarch Antipas and Archelaus, on the death of their father, had gone to Rome to submit their claims to the kingdom to the decision of Augustus.
In Revelation 5, Christ appears in the throne room of God as a slain lamb and receives the scroll from the Father. He is found worthy to receive it and to open it; the scroll being the deed to the Earth (the Kingdom).
Notice that once he receives the scroll he will return. Not Twice, but one time. As it says in the next verse:
And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
A better translation would be, do business with this money and increase it till I return. Thats an interesting thought because:
1. It demonstrates Christ in Rev 5 is a past event. He doesnt travel for 2k years to heaven to receive the scroll. He received it in the past as he sat down with God in this throne.
2. When he returns, we are to be still increasing with what he gave us till he returns at his 2nd advent. Not a secret 2nd return, then a third return.
Then Christ said, And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
He then rewards all his servants one by one except there is one that was slothful. And in verse 27 he says,
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
An easy way to portray it is this: Christ goes back to heaven and receives the scroll around 30 AD (Rev 5). He leaves us and we are told to continue his business till he returns. When he does return, we are rewarded (Rev 11:18, Rev 22:12). He then destroys the wicked.
I don't see a Pre-Trib timeline anywhere in this. He returns one more time. We are told to stay till he returns. His reward is when he returns. His return coincides with wrath on the wicked. All of this harmonizes with scripture that isnt Pre-Trib.
Spiritual Israelite
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Pretrib is officially dead and has been for awhile. No pretrib has given even one single coherent argument after all this time it has been discussed in multiple threads. Literally nothing but childish insults and complete gibberish from them. That's it. It's the weakest doctrine imaginable.
MA2444
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Jesus never said one word about Cell Phones, so He must not believe in them either.
We are talking about biblical evidence for what you claim is biblical. It is simply not there.
MA2444
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