It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

[WPM]

One thing I have noticed about Doctrine. When one's Doctrine is correct it continually lines up with the word of God it's like a basket weave. It's all interconnected and it builds upon itself. So I find it interesting in the following verses in rev 5;
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

That is great support for the pretrib rapture. Here we have redeemed Saints in heaven before the seals are even broken open.
That is the pre-trib Rapture right there,because they are in heaven and they're singing that song that they've been redeemed from the Earth.
Ahem...BEFORE THE TRIB.

LOL. But you cannot bring 1 single Pretrib proof-text to the Bible. There is nothing that shows a trib after the rapture - nothing. This is a deceptive extra-biblical Jesuit doctrine.

 

[WPM]

Postrib rapture, according to their own testimony, originated in the catholic church.
Not surprising that they agree, and both despise the thought of a pre-trib rapture.

Not so! Posttrib was being taught before Romanism. It was taught in the Bible and by the early Church fathers.

 

[David in NJ]

And not to mention, you are flat out wrong here. What do you call it when you speak untruths of others? Hm?

Much love!

You said you believe in a pre-trib rapture did you not!

 

[David in NJ]

OK, there's the depth of your "repentance". So maybe you understand how I'm not impressed with your claims for yourself.

It's your choice how you address others.

Much love!

i am not the one changing scripture to make a false claim

Do you not believe that the LORD Returns TWICE:
Return #1 to pre-trib rapture the church who is ready and leave saints (who are not ready) behind for the GT
Return #2 for the Resurrection

This is what you said to me at the beginning of our conversations many months ago = maybe you are adjusting???

 

[David in NJ]

Not so! Posttrib was being taught before Romanism. It was taught in the Bible and by the early Church fathers.

pre-trib is from the Harlot, as are many so-called 'christain' doctrines

 

[marks]

You said you believe in a pre-trib rapture did you not!

Show me where I've said those who are alive and remain precede the dead in Christ. You cannot, because I have not said that. You've claimed I think that, based on what??? You've spoken untruth about me, I'm guessing so you can marginalize me.

This is not healthy, not right, not true, and I'm going to stop enabling you.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

Show me where I've said those who are alive and remain precede the dead in Christ. You cannot, because I have not said that. You've claimed I think that, based on what??? You've spoken untruth about me, I'm guessing so you can marginalize me.

This is not healthy, not right, not true, and I'm going to stop enabling you.

Much love!

HalleluYAH @marks,

i am GLAD that i spurned your indignation so that you only believe "every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God"

Sometimes the Holy Spirit, who is the Head Coach of the SAME Team we are on, needs to get us riled UP and back to the Word

Now my Brother, declare what the Word says in 1 Thess 4:13-18 to our Brethren who have things in REVERSE when they say:
Rapture then Resurrection

Go ask @Douggg why he reverses scripture

 

[Marvelloustime]

The fear of the LORD is to depart from evil
the fear of man is a SNARE to the soul .
The LOVE of GOD rejoices in truth
the love of the world rejoices in a lie and in inquity , in the flesh and lusts thereof .
Freedom from GOD sets a man free from sin
Freedom TO SIN is a concept taught of man .
Liberty walked in by the SPIRIT is a gift from GOD
but LIBERTY USED as an occasion to serve the flesh , again is a lie and a concept taught of man .
The PEACE of GOD is to preach CHRIST JESUS who reconciles man to GOD and that by FAITH IN HIM
we now have PEACE with GOD .
The peace of pope francis and of the world , DENIES the PEACE OF GOD , and reconciles only man to man
and gathers the world as one , BUT NOT UNDERGOD and thus THEY shall not and do not have PEACE WITH GOD .

 

[Marvelloustime]

And when given the revelation by Christ , JOHN saw the temple .
I beheld and there was no temple for GOD and the LAMB are THE TEMPLE .
we are little stones added into that temple by faith in HE WHO IS that temple . HIS CHRIST .
Let all that has breath both praise and thank the glorious LORD .
Take note of a prophecy given in amos . concerning the days wherein God would rebuild that temple .
Cause PETER quoates that very prophecy when speaking of the gospel itself . We have us a temple my
friend . A heavenly glorious house . THE LORD is our hope and our salvation .

 

[rebuilder 454]

LOL. But you cannot bring 1 single Pretrib proof-text to the Bible. There is nothing that shows a trib after the rapture - nothing. This is a deceptive extra-biblical Jesuit doctrine.

After all the verses you have been presented???
Your ignorance is invincible.

 

[rebuilder 454]

pre-trib is from the Harlot, as are many so-called 'christain' doctrines

Jesus Himself declared His coming pretrib at least 4 times.
Calling Jesus a harlot.
That is where your doctrine has carried you.

 

[WPM]

After all the verses you have been presented???
Your ignorance is invincible.

More avoidance. That is your MO. You have nothing to bring to the table.

 

[rebuilder 454]

You said you believe in a pre-trib rapture did you not!

Pre-Trib Doctrine Is based on first Thessalonians chapter 4 .
Post-Tribulation Doctrine Also Copies and pastes First Thessalonians 4 into their workbook.
Of course they misinterpret it , but they still use those passages.
So both sides believe That the dead in Christ rise first ,And then those alive follow them.
So it doesn't matter if a person is post-tribulation Rapture, or pre-tribulation Rapture, Everybody believes That the dead in Christ Precede the living

 

[WPM]

Jesus Himself declared His coming pretrib at least 4 times.
Calling Jesus a harlot.
That is where your doctrine has carried you.

This sums up your position. You make wild sweeping claims but you have zero biblical evidence to support them.

 

[rebuilder 454]

More avoidance. That is your MO. You have nothing to bring to the table.

Default answers.
You got about 4 of them.
Literally batting the air and taking up space.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus Himself declared His coming pretrib at least 4 times.
Calling Jesus a harlot.
That is where your doctrine has carried you.

No HE did not.

Have you no fear of God? - obviously not - but you will very soon!

 

[David in NJ]

This sums up your position. You make wild sweeping claims but you have zero biblical evidence to support them.

Big fat ZERO on his 'pre-trib' exam

 

[WPM]

Pre-Trib Doctrine Is based on first Thessalonians chapter 4 .
Post-Tribulation Doctrine Also Copies and pastes First Thessalonians 4 into their workbook.
Of course they misinterpret it , but they still use those passages.
So both sides believe That the dead in Christ rise first ,And then those alive follow them.
So it doesn't matter if a person is post-tribulation Rapture, or pre-tribulation Rapture, Everybody believes That the dead in Christ Precede the living

Ok, here we go again. I will ask the simple question, you will avoid. You will then hurl your insults and run. That is all you have.

Where is your trib mentioned in 1 Thess 4 after the rapture?

 

[David in NJ]

This sums up your position. You make wild sweeping claims but you have zero biblical evidence to support them.

This getting good:

Pre-Trib Doctrine Is based on first Thessalonians chapter 4 .
Post-Tribulation Doctrine Also Copies and pastes First Thessalonians 4 into their workbook.

This is called double speak = trying to have it both ways while the statements contradict each other

 

[rebuilder 454]

This sums up your position. You make wild sweeping claims but you have zero biblical evidence to support them.

At least 4 verses BY JESUS.
I hope nobody wastes any time showing them to you.
It would be a total waste.