It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

[MA2444]

Therefore the phrase 'pre-trib' in direct relationship to the rapture is antithetical

What do I do with Matthew 24:44? Should I tear it out of my bible?

I asked if you would tell me what that verse means and so far no response. (Waiting...)

 

[David in NJ]

No I'm nott confusing you with someone else. You are the one who keeps posting that stuff like Rapture + False Lies against God and all that sort of crap. So now you do believe in the rapture? Or what?

Youre contradicting yourself or else Ijust can not follow you and what youre saying.

Nope - NEVER said the RAPTURE is a lie.

Just ask @amigo de christo who knows my posts very well.

If you find one of my posts where i said "the rapture is a lie" i will send you $20.00

 

[amigo de christo]

So we SEE in both 1st and 2nd Letters to the Thessalonican saints (and us) that tribulation and persecutions will precede His Coming.

Therefore the phrase 'pre-trib' in direct relationship to the rapture is antithetical

the reason most folks fall for it is because of how the imply this trib . FIRST they say ITS PRE GODS WRATH .
WHICH IS TRUE . but they make the mistake of putting the tribulation of The beast and etc
AS though somehow that is part of the wrath of GOD which we escape . THAT IS A big mistake .
ITS the WRATH OF GOD HIMSELF that we do not go under . THe wrath of GOD
cometh against the beast, fp , all who TOOK THE MARK of the beast etc .
They then think when we say no pre trib that somehow that means we are teaching we go UNDER THE WRATH of GOD .
Its odd what and how they think . But when men program stuff into you that is not true
your mind gets real clouded up .

 

[amigo de christo]

Nope - NEVER said the RAPTURE is a lie.

Just ask @amigo de christo who knows my posts very well.

If you find one of my posts where i said "the rapture is a lie" i will send you $20.00

David speaks the truth . neither of us have ever held to the crap view there is no RAPTURE .
its just pre trib is wrong.

 

[MA2444]

Nope - NEVER said the RAPTURE is a lie.

Just ask @amigo de christo who knows my posts very well.

If you find one of my posts where i said "the rapture is a lie" i will send you $20.00

Only $20? Make it $50 and you got a deal.

 

[David in NJ]

@amigo de christo @MA2444 @gpresdo

i have to go see my Jewish Surgeon who i will share Torah with of:
IAM the Elohim of:
Elohenu Abraham, Elohenu Isaac, Elohenu Jacob

SHALOM

 

[David in NJ]

Only $20? Make it $50 and you got a deal.

pre-trib rapture is NOT included

typos are NOT included

Deal for $50 only IF you can find it in my post = IF NOT you owe me $50

 

[amigo de christo]

What do I do with Matthew 24:44? Should I tear it out of my bible?

I asked if you would tell me what that verse means and so far no response. (Waiting...)

YOU SHOULD be ready . THE END TIME SIGNS are more massive than ever .
Many folks are not seeing that much of revelation has and is been occuring
and its getting worse .
THEY are spirits sent to decieve the men , the kings of this world .
The COMING OF KING JESUS draws very very nigh indeed .
That is what you should do with mathew twenty four and forty four .
BE WATCHING , cause not you or me KNOWS the hour of his coming
nor do we even know the hour of own decease .
JUST Keep alert and be ready at all times .

 

[marks]

Says it right here in God's Little lambs Book: 1 Thess 1:10

and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.


God's Truth in one simple sentence that even a little lamb can understand = My sheep know my Voice, another they will not follow.

That's not actually a rapture verse.

1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 LITV
9) For they themselves announce concerning us what kind of entrance we have to you, and how you had turned to God from the idols, to serve the true and living God,
10) and to await His Son from Heaven, whom He raised from the dead, Jesus, the One delivering us from the coming wrath.

Jesus delivers all who believe from the coming wrath, not just those at the end of that age as though in some "pre-wrath" rapture. There is a wrath of God that will be on the unbelievers at the end of the age, but there is also the wrath of God upon ALL unbelievers, not just a certain few.

Applying this verse as though it speaks of the rapture is misuse.

The fact is, if it IS a rapture verse, it supports both "pre-trib" and "pre-wrath" as both positions hold to a rapture before God's wrath is unleashed on the earth.

Yes, His sheep hear His voice. But who is hearing His voice? Those who misuse His words? That doesn't seem so to me.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Only $20? Make it $50 and you got a deal.

you gonna lose my friend , david has for as long as i have known him
BELIEVED THERE IS A RAPTURE . He just dont believe its pre trib .
David just got fifty bucks . But if you like you can mail it to me
my dog needs some more cosquiene tablets . you just lost .
You might want to take it back my freind . and i dont lie for anyone . thou shall not lie .
SO i aint covering for david . HE does BELIEVE we are raptured , as DO I . we just dont heed the pre trib version of said rapture .

 

[Keraz]

A lot of Christian people believe that there will be a "pre-tribulation rapture”, that is: they believe that before the beast of Revelation takes over, makes war on the saints, and demands his mark on each person's body, all Christians will be "raptured".
The word rapture and the idea of a removal of living people to heaven is not in the Bible.

The Bible does not teach a pre-tribulation rapture. It teaches tribulation. Because these people believe that they will not be here for the tribulation, they are not spiritually or physically preparing themselves, or their children, for what is to come.
They cannot see what is happening before their very eyes. They are so locked into deception that they cannot see nor hear. Not only are they deceived, they condemn anyone who does not believe in a pretribulation rapture.

The nature of deception is that you really believe what is false and that you disbelieve what is true. The only way that someone can come out of deception is if they really love the truth. If someone truly loves the scriptures, he will change his beliefs to conform to the scriptures when he sees that he is wrong. Unfortunately, most people feel that they have too much to lose by changing their false belief system. What if a dispensationalist preacher accepted the truth that he has been preaching a lie? Do you think his preacher friends will congratulate him for leaving deception? Do you think his dispensationalist congregation will be happy with him? There is a good chance that he will lose his tenure and position. Because many love the praise of men more than the praise of God, they will stay in deception rather lose their standing in their community. They cannot even afford to think that their beliefs may be wrong. You have to really love the truth to run this race.

Dispensationalism and the rapture is a heresy taught all across the face of the earth in Bible colleges and seminaries. It is preached and taught from pulpits, in books, and videos.
All this is really sad, because the truth of God’s Plans for His people, are for their wellbeing and He is ready to protect and pour out His blessings upon every Christian who stands firm in their faith during the testing time to come. 1 Peter 4:12

 

[marks]

Dispensationalism

And yet you yourself are dispensational. Or, maybe I'm mistaken, and you are not dispensational. I think you are. So maybe you can settle this for us all. Tell me,

Are you at this time offering animal sacrifices for your sins? Or no? I'll bet you are not. And that would be because you understand that repeated animal sacrifices have been replaced by Jesus' once for all sacrifice, is that fair to say?

If so, that means you too, yes you, even you, are dispensational.

Much love!

 

[marks]

you gonna lose my friend , david has for as long as i have known him
BELIEVED THERE IS A RAPTURE . He just dont believe its pre trib .
David just got fifty bucks . But if you like you can mail it to me
my dog needs some more cosquiene tablets . you just lost .
You might want to take it back my freind . and i dont lie for anyone . thou shall not lie .
SO i aint covering for david . HE does BELIEVE we are raptured , as DO I . we just dont heed the pre trib version of said rapture .

If I had the extra money, I'd offer the reward to anyone who can argue against pre-trib rapture without insults and misrepesentation. I don't think I'd have to pay out, but I wouldn't want to make a disengenuous offer.

These thread is no different than the others, filled with ridicule and misrepresentation. It's really too bad!

Much love!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If I had the extra money, I'd offer the reward to anyone who can argue against pre-trib rapture without insults and misrepesentation. I don't think I'd have to pay out, but I wouldn't want to make a disengenuous offer.

These thread is no different than the others, filled with ridicule and misrepresentation. It's really too bad!

Much love!

The joking is in regards to someone thinking that they were saying there is no rapture at all despite the fact that they never said anything to indicate that. This thread was created to refute the pretrib rapture theory, so it should be obvious that they were only saying there is no pretrib rapture and not saying there is no rapture at all.

 

[MA2444]

What do I do with Matthew 24:44? Should I tear it out of my bible?

pre-trib rapture is NOT included

typos are NOT included

Deal for $50 only IF you can find it in my post = IF NOT you owe me $50

No deal if you want money from me! You dont know who your talking to. I'm Mr Cleans brother, I'm Mr. Poor man. Lol. This was your offer to me if I could show you where you called pre trib rapture is a lie. Not a bet. I'm not a betting man. I bet I spent less than $30 on the lotto in the last 30 yars. Prolly less than $20. That's how much I bet, lol.

Your either confident in what you say or you arent, If I do it, you owe me $50. If I cant, then I couldnt do it but I owe you nothing. Or no deal.

I'd still like you tell me tur truth about Matthew 24:44 brother. I cant reconcile that with a post trib view of the rapture.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No deal if you want money from me! You dont know who your talking to. I'm Mr Cleans brother, I'm Mr. Poor man. Lol. This was your offer to me if I could show you where you called pre trib rapture is a lie. Not a bet. I'm not a betting man. I bet I spent less than $30 on the lotto in the last 30 yars. Prolly less than $20. That's how much I bet, lol.

Your either confident in what you say or you arent, If I do it, you owe me $50. If I cant, then I couldnt do it but I owe you nothing. Or no deal.

I'd still like you tell me tur truth about Matthew 24:44 brother. I cant reconcile that with a post trib view of the rapture.

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

So, just like in Matthew 24:36 and Matthew 25:13, Jesus indicates here that no one knows the hour that He will come. How does this support a pre-trib rapture? Are you implying that people would somehow know the hour of His coming during the tribulation? If so, how would they know that?

 

[David in NJ]

That's not actually a rapture verse.

1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 LITV
9) For they themselves announce concerning us what kind of entrance we have to you, and how you had turned to God from the idols, to serve the true and living God,
10) and to await His Son from Heaven, whom He raised from the dead, Jesus, the One delivering us from the coming wrath.

Jesus delivers all who believe from the coming wrath, not just those at the end of that age as though in some "pre-wrath" rapture. There is a wrath of God that will be on the unbelievers at the end of the age, but there is also the wrath of God upon ALL unbelievers, not just a certain few.

Applying this verse as though it speaks of the rapture is misuse.

The fact is, if it IS a rapture verse, it supports both "pre-trib" and "pre-wrath" as both positions hold to a rapture before God's wrath is unleashed on the earth.

Yes, His sheep hear His voice. But who is hearing His voice? Those who misuse His words? That doesn't seem so to me.

Much love!

This is amazing, for a five minutes ago i was driving home and was praying for you Brother @marks!!!
i was asking the LORD to forgive me for being overly harsh towards you(harsh is OK, overly is not) and was asking the LORD to reunites us.

Jesus delivers all who believe from the coming wrath, not just those at the end of that age

100% CORRECT - 100% TRUTH

as though in some "pre-wrath" rapture.

100% FALSE

Questions:
a.) Are you "waiting for JESUS" ?
b.) Where does verse 10 say JESUS is coming from?
c.) In verse 10 what is JESUS delivering us from? tribulation? or wrath?

Please answer the 3 questions according to verse 10 - thank you

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Moving on to:

There is a wrath of God that will be on the unbelievers at the end of the age

100% TRUTH

but there is also the wrath of God upon ALL unbelievers, not just a certain few.

100% TRUTH

Applying this verse as though it speaks of the rapture is misuse.

the Apostle Paul is speaking by the holy Spirit to the saints who are being persecuted unto death for the Name of JESUS, while at the same time exhorting them to REMAIN strong even thru these persecutions as "we wait for JESUS from HEAVEN"
the HOLY SPIRIT never misuses HIS words for they are TRUTH = we either believe or make excuses

Yes, His sheep hear His voice. But who is hearing His voice? Those who misuse His words? That doesn't seem so to me.

100% TRUTH

Love your post #1,550

 

[MA2444]

you gonna lose my friend , david has for as long as i have known him
BELIEVED THERE IS A RAPTURE . He just dont believe its pre trib .
David just got fifty bucks . But if you like you can mail it to me
my dog needs some more cosquiene tablets . you just lost .
You might want to take it back my freind . and i dont lie for anyone . thou shall not lie .
SO i aint covering for david . HE does BELIEVE we are raptured , as DO I . we just dont heed the pre trib version of said rapture .

He didnt just get 50 bucks! Lol. I havent agreed to anything of the sort. I might be wrong but I dont think so but I sure aint betting my food money on betting with people online.

He made a big claim that he never said that and I think he did. So he says oh yeah, I'll give you $20 if you can show me. But that's a lot of work to look thru all those posts, so I said, I'll do it for $50! But it aint no bet! He was just talking big tryna suck me into gambling. If I did want to gamble it wouldnt be with guys like that, lol!

Nah, I lost nothing and I do think he said it. But I aint looking it up for free, this thread goes fast, it could be anywhere! I dont care if I look it up or not, I still believe it.

 

[marks]

The joking is in regards to someone thinking that they were saying there is no rapture at all despite the fact that they never said anything to indicate that. This thread was created to refute the pretrib rapture theory, so it should be obvious that they were only saying there is no pretrib rapture and not saying there is no rapture at all.

No, that doesn't even scratch the surface! Many posts on this thread are filled with ridicule of those who disagree, and misrepresentation of their views. It's a shameful display!

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

No deal if you want money from me! You dont know who your talking to. I'm Mr Cleans brother, I'm Mr. Poor man. Lol. This was your offer to me if I could show you where you called pre trib rapture is a lie. Not a bet. I'm not a betting man. I bet I spent less than $30 on the lotto in the last 30 yars. Prolly less than $20. That's how much I bet, lol.

Your either confident in what you say or you arent, If I do it, you owe me $50. If I cant, then I couldnt do it but I owe you nothing. Or no deal.

I'd still like you tell me tur truth about Matthew 24:44 brother. I cant reconcile that with a post trib view of the rapture.

I could show you where you called pre trib rapture is a lie.

100% TRUTH for i ALWAYS say that pre-trib rapture is a lie and or ERROR/false doctrine = it NEVER came out of God's Mouth

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