The advent of Christ is definitely when Satan was bound. I believe Satan and his angels were cast out of heaven and bound to the earth when Christ was born. IMO that marks the beginning of Christ defeating Satan, but the birth of Christ only bound Satan to the earth. Because Scripture seems to show us it was the cross where Christ made atonement for sin and defeated death that bound him in a pit that he should deceive the nations no longer. Satan had the ability to deceive the nations, holding them in bondage to fear of death until Christ defeated death by resurrecting from the grave. After His death and resurrection, the Gospel was sent unto all the nations of the world in the power of the Holy Spirit. That's when the message of the cross and resurrection proved more powerful than Satan, because Christ descended into that place of Old called the bosom of Abraham and set those Old Covenant captives of the grave free, taking them with Him when He ascended to heaven. Since Christ defeated death those who hear the Gospel preached in the power of the Holy Spirit, faith (believing in Christ) takes away fear of death because Christ gives eternal life to whosoever believes.
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The advent of Christ is definitely when Satan was bound. I believe Satan and his angels were cast out of heaven and bound to the earth when Christ was born. IMO that marks the beginning of Christ defeating Satan, but the birth of Christ only bound Satan to the earth. Because Scripture seems to show us it was the cross where Christ made atonement for sin and defeated death that bound him in a pit that he should deceive the nations no longer. Satan had the ability to deceive the nations, holding them in bondage to fear of death until Christ defeated death by resurrecting from the grave. After His death and resurrection, the Gospel was sent unto all the nations of the world in the power of the Holy Spirit. That's when the message of the cross and resurrection proved more powerful than Satan, because Christ descended into that place of Old called the bosom of Abraham and set those Old Covenant captives of the grave free, taking them with Him when He ascended to heaven. Since Christ defeated death those who hear the Gospel preached in the power of the Holy Spirit, faith (believing in Christ) takes away fear of death because Christ gives eternal life to whosoever believes.
David in NJ
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When Christ came to earth the time had come for the prince of this world (Satan) to be cast out. Christ proved He possesses power of God by casting devils and demons out of many who had been possessed through demonic powers. By being lifted up on the cross, Christ has the power to draw all (Gentiles as well as Jews) to Himself. Prior to the first advent, Christ, The Messiah wasn't known to Gentile nations, because the Law and Prophets foretelling Him had been given only to Israel of Old.
Christ' ability to cast out devils by the Spirit of God is proof the Kingdom of God has come. By His cross and resurrection Christ went into the house of the strong man and spoiled his house by setting free those Old Covenant faithful saints who had died before He came. Taking those captives with Him to heaven as He ascended there. By doing this Christ destroyed the power of death mankind before the advent of Christ had been held in. This is how Satan has been bound by Christ's death and resurrection. Satan's power to deceive Gentile nations by holding them in bondage to fear of death is broken forever for whosoever throughout the nations of the earth hear the Gospel preached and by grace through faith and believe through the power of the Holy Spirit in them. This is what John meant when he said "that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan" was cast into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled.
John 12:31-32 (KJV) Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Matthew 12:28-29 (KJV) But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
Ephesians 2:2-7 (KJV) Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Hebrews 2:14-15 (KJV) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
The Light
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So, let me see if I have this correct. You are wanting me to show you in the car manual how to fix your transmission, but I am only allowed to use the chapters for the engine to do it.
Hmmm.
Luke 17
26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Show me in that verse where Paul said he didn’t know when “the rapture” is supposed to happen.
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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These scriptures only speak of His Second Coming.
No 'goyim' church being raptured in the text/scripture you posted.
David in NJ
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By the SIMPLE FACT they he never mentioned a 'Day' or "Hour' or 'Year'.
JESUS and the Apostle Paul, IRREVOCABLY said it occurs "at His Coming"
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GISMYS_7
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Which coming? Second coming? Coming
Into the heart of a believer? Coming for the believer at death?
Which one of those comings would Paul be alive and remaining when Jesus comes?
David in NJ
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Good questions!!!
Remember when we looked at the Apostle John saying this about His First Revealing = 1 John 1:1-4
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life— the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us— that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.
In John's 1st Epistle he only speaks of His First Coming in chapter 1 and then His Second Revealing in chapter 3:1-3
Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
David in NJ
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Hey now, no fibbing against God's words allowed!
The LORD never said that!
Will you give your heart to Him who died for you on the Cross and believe His every word???
This is what the LORD promises to those who love Him - 1 Thess 1:10
and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
The Light
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80 years is a generation of strength.
Psalms 90
10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
These verses are talking about the coming of the Lord. Note also it says AND WE FLY AWAY.
I have been telling you there are two raptures. One for the Church before the Great Tribulation (which is not 7 years, there is a 70th week of Daniel) and one for the 12 tribes across the earth. The woman, the nation of Israel, those that flee to the place of protection will remain on earth through the wrath of God. All believers will be in heaven during the 1 year wrath of God. Meaning 1 year from the time of the second rapture until Christ leaves with the armies of heaven.
Hypothetically if we used the year 1948 and added 80 years, we would come to the year 2028. If the 12 tribes across the earth were to FLY AWAY at that time, that would place the 6th seal in the fall of 2028. That would mean the 7th seal, which is the Day of the Lord would begin shortly after that. Strangely enough there is an event coming on the earth in April of 2029. The asteroid Apophis is said to come within 20,000 miles of the earth at that time. Also, strangely enough, when originally reported it was said that it would hit the earth. Which report is true? Maybe, there will be a need to blow the asteroid up. Those trumpets of wrath sure have something in common with an asteroid that is blown up.
So with the remaining feasts of God, that would put the Lord touching the mount of Olives in 2030. Strangely enough there is quite a few videos and articles referring to Messiah 2030.
Strange.............................
The Light
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Why are you asking me this? Since they are spirit beings, where do you believe they went after being cast out?
David in NJ
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The Second Coming is....................................THE SECOND COMING
Also KNOWN as:
a.) His Coming
b.) His Revealing
c.) When the Master of the House Rises UP
d.) Descends from Heaven
e.) Coming on the Clouds with great GLORY
f.) Coming with the angels
g.) Coming with His Saints
h.) The RESURRECTION
i) After that, the Rapture
j.) AND MORE
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