It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

[The Light]

The JVL, which you quoted, confirms that the Romans destroyed the physical city and sanctuary.

The temple was destroyed. Only the western "wailing" wall was left standing.

"When the Romans razed the Second Temple, they left one outer wall standing. They probably would have destroyed that wall as well, but it must have seemed too insignificant to them since it was not part of the Temple itself, just a retaining wall surrounding the Temple Mount."

So now you admit that the Romans destroyed the city of Jerusalem and the Temple? They did. However, the second Temple is not what the prophecy is referring to.

The western wall is part of the buildings of the Temple.

If the prophecy was fulfilled as most deem, what sign was there when it occurred. I notice you are unable to answer.

 

[David in NJ]

A actual understanding of the new Temple, which many here, just do not have; shows that it will be dedicated to God, proved by how the 'beast' desecrates it.

If you had any moral fortitude, you would withdraw your foolish assertion above and the silly comments about me.

The earthbound temple is for idolators = for those who hate God and His People

Acts 21:28
yelling, “Men of Israel, help us! This is the man who preaches against our people everywhere and tells everybody to disobey the Jewish laws.
He speaks against the Temple—and even defiles this holy place by bringing in Gentiles.”

Acts 6:11-14
Then they prompted some men to say, “We heard Stephen speak words of blasphemy against Moses and against God.”

So they stirred up the people, elders, and scribes and confronted Stephen. They seized him and brought him before the Sanhedrin, where they presented false witnesses who said, “This man never stops speaking against this holy place and against the law.
For we have heard him say that Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the customs that Moses handed down to us.”

Acts 7:47-53
But it was Solomon who built the house for Him.
However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says:
‘Heaven is My throne
and the earth is My footstool.
What kind of house will you build for Me, says the Lord,
or where will My place of repose be?
Has not My hand made all these things?’
You stiff-necked people with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit, just as your fathers did.
Which of the prophets did your fathers fail to persecute? They even killed those who foretold the coming of the Righteous One. And now you are His betrayers and murderers— you who received the law ordained by angels, yet have not kept it.”

 

[covenantee]

The western wall is part of the buildings of the Temple.

The Jews unambiguously refute that.

Don't you believe your chosen people?

 

[rockytopva]

I have been reading these threads.Scripture points to what we call the Trinity and Rapture as mysteries

1. Trinity... And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. - 1 Timothy 3:16
2. Rapture - Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed - 1 Corinthians 15:52

I would think that these topics will remain mysteries while we all are still alive and on planet earth. Even if we come up with an opinion we should be honest and admit that we are not really sure.

I wouldn't want to develop an opinion on these mysteries and condemn the rest of the Christian faith as heretics for not going along with my mindset.

 

[David in NJ]

I have been reading these threads.Scripture points to what we call the Trinity and Rapture as mysteries

1. Trinity... And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. - 1 Timothy 3:16
2. Rapture - Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed - 1 Corinthians 15:52

I would think that these topics will remain mysteries while we all are still alive and on planet earth. Even if we come up with an opinion we should be honest and admit that we are not really sure.

I wouldn't want to develop an opinion on these mysteries and condemn the rest of the Christian faith as heretics for not going along with my mindset.

Even if we come up with an opinion we should be honest and admit that we are not really sure.

i am REALLY SURE because of 3 Persons
a.) Saved by the Blood of Christ
b.) Baptized in the Holy Spirit - aka the Spirit of Truth
c.) Thy Word is Truth

1.) "the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints."

2.) "He answered and said unto them,
Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given."

3.) I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.

 

[Keraz]

I have been reading these threads.Scripture points to what we call the Trinity and Rapture as mysteries

1. Trinity... And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. - 1 Timothy 3:16
2. Rapture - Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed - 1 Corinthians 15:52

These are no mystery, The Bible does make them clear, but a problem arises when mans teachings contradicts what the Bible actually says.

1/ The trinity, or multiple Gods, is confirmed by Genesis 1:26 Let us make human beings in our likeness..... Plural Godhead.
Also when God met Abraham - Genesis 18:2 Abrahan looked up and saw three men.........

2/ The Prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, is to do with the Great White Throne Judgment, AFTER the Millennium. Proved by how it will be then that Death will be no more. Revelation 21:4
Those people changed; are only those whose names will be found in the Book of Life. Revelation 20:12

There will be no 'rapture to heaven' for anyone. The Bible simply does not teach such a thing.
It is pretentious to think the Lord will rapture His people, when many Prophesies tell us about how He will protect His own. Psalms 23, ++

 

[rockytopva]

These are no mystery, The Bible does make them clear, but a problem arises when mans teachings contradicts what the Bible actually says.

1/ The trinity, or multiple Gods, is confirmed by Genesis 1:26 Let us make human beings in our likeness..... Plural Godhead.
Also when God met Abraham - Genesis 18:2 Abrahan looked up and saw three men.........

2/ The Prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, is to do with the Great White Throne Judgment, AFTER the Millennium. Proved by how it will be then that Death will be no more. Revelation 21:4
Those people changed; are only those whose names will be found in the Book of Life. Revelation 20:12

There will be no 'rapture to heaven' for anyone. The Bible simply does not teach such a thing.
It is pretentious to think the Lord will rapture His people, when many Prophesies tell us about how He will protect His own. Psalms 23, ++

And it is the word according to... Mr Know-It-All!

 

[Keraz]

And it is the word according to... Mr Know-It-All!

Obviously you and Bible truths are miles apart.
Rude accusations are the 'go to' of those who have no answers.

 

[rockytopva]

Obviously you and Bible truths are miles apart.
Rude accusations are the 'go to' of those who have no answers.

Bible truths?

Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 24:43-45
Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. - Luke 12:40

What part of "think not" are you not understanding?

 

[The Light]

The Jews unambiguously refute that.

Don't you believe your chosen people?

Ah. You need another reminder. You forgot what hyperbolically means.

"In later generations, the rabbis hyperbolically declared that the revolt's failure, and the Temple's destruction, was due not to Roman military superiority but to causeless hatred (sinat khinam) among the Jews (Yoma 9b)."

Hyperbolically - Hyperbolically refers to language that exaggerates or overstates the truth

Is there anything that you understand about the Word of God as it relates to endtimes? Everything you claim can easily be proven as incorrect nonsense.

You take a whippin at every turn. You would think you would learn so the beatings will stop. I'm beginning to feel sorry for you.

 

[covenantee]

Ah. You need another reminder. You forgot what hyperbolically means.

"In later generations, the rabbis hyperbolically declared that the revolt's failure, and the Temple's destruction, was due not to Roman military superiority but to causeless hatred (sinat khinam) among the Jews (Yoma 9b)."

Hyperbolically - Hyperbolically refers to language that exaggerates or overstates the truth

Is there anything that you understand about the Word of God as it relates to endtimes? Everything you claim can easily be proven as incorrect nonsense.

You take a whippin at every turn. You would think you would learn so the beatings will stop. I'm beginning to feel sorry for you.

What beatings?

Point out the word "hyperbolically" in the following:

"When the Romans razed the Second Temple, they left one outer wall standing. They probably would have destroyed that wall as well, but it must have seemed too insignificant to them since it was not part of the Temple itself, just a retaining wall surrounding the Temple Mount."

I'm sure it's in there somewhere.

 

[WPM]

If you had any moral fortitude, you would withdraw your foolish assertion above and the silly comments about me.

Who do you think you are?

 

[WPM]

What beatings?

Point out the word "hyperbolically" in the following:

"When the Romans razed the Second Temple, they left one outer wall standing. They probably would have destroyed that wall as well, but it must have seemed too insignificant to them since it was not part of the Temple itself, just a retaining wall surrounding the Temple Mount."

I'm sure it's in there somewhere.

They have nothing bro apart from playing with the English language, and locking arms with, and taking their teaching from, those who reject Christ. His argument is disintegrating before him like the old abolished temple.

 

[Keraz]

Who do you think you are?

You just might be surprised.
But at least, I am a fellow Christian and what I believe my task is; to promote the Prophetic Word as it is Written in a modern, accredited translation.
This often results in people making vehement objections, as the true understanding of scripture often conflicts with their well entrenched beliefs. Either that, or my posts are simply ignored, as being incomprehensible to those locked into fables and false teachings.

For example; your favourite doctrine of AMillenniumism, simply does not conform to what Revelation 20 actually does say and messes up Gods 7000 year Plan for mankind.

 

[The Light]

What beatings?

Point out the word "hyperbolically" in the following:

"When the Romans razed the Second Temple, they left one outer wall standing. They probably would have destroyed that wall as well, but it must have seemed too insignificant to them since it was not part of the Temple itself, just a retaining wall surrounding the Temple Mount."

I'm sure it's in there somewhere.

Great. So why can't you answer the question. If there is not one stone upon another, what was the sign when it happened?

I don't expect much, as you have yet to figure out the Lord is coming in a time you think not.

 

[covenantee]

Great. So why can't you answer the question. If there is not one stone upon another, what was the sign when it happened?

I don't expect much, as you have yet to figure out the Lord is coming in a time you think not.

What Scripture in Daniel refers to such a sign?

 

[The Light]

What Scripture in Daniel refers to such a sign?

You should be careful playing stupid. Odds are it sticks.

Luke 21
5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

So if there is not one stone upon another in the buildings of the Temple............What sign was there?

Even if you understood end times scripture, you would not have an answer.

 

[covenantee]

You should be careful playing stupid. Odds are it sticks.

Luke 21
5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

So if there is not one stone upon another in the buildings of the Temple............What sign was there.

Even if you understood end times scripture, you would not have an answer.

Luke isn't Daniel.

Stupid indeed.

 

[The Light]

Luke isn't Daniel.

Stupid indeed.

And yet the Temple destruction is foretold in Luke as well as Daniel.

Which is why you felt it necessary to limit your question to Daniel so you could have an excuse as to why you have no sign when there was not one stone upon another at the Temple site. The reason you are unable to provide a sign is because it hasn't happened yet.

As I said in several posts before, you seem to want to use partial information to draw conclusions. Which of course is why you have no clue.

 

[covenantee]

And yet the Temple destruction is foretold in Luke as well as Daniel.

Which is why you felt it necessary to limit your question to Daniel so you could have an excuse as to why you have no sign when there was not one stone upon another at the Temple site. The reason you are unable to provide a sign is because it hasn't happened yet.

As I said in several posts before, you seem to want to use partial information to draw conclusions. Which of course is why you have no clue.

Daniel prophesied it.

The Jews today confirm that it happened. No sign involved.

You quoted them, so you agreed with them.

But now you don't.

Make up your mind.

We can see who has no clue.