Is your faith your own? - Is "the Faith" prescribed by a human institution?

[GodsGrace]

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Not interested.
I know MORE than I ever would have cared to know.

But, you sure are prolific.

 

[Wick Stick]

Membership in the group is necessary for salvation?

Yes, but perhaps "family" is a better word than group. Salvation is for Abraham and his descendants.

Agreement with God on every matter is required? (inferred)
Who could meet that requirement?

Agreeing with God isn't very hard. It's actually DOING what's right that's tough.

 

[St. SteVen]

Paul exhorted THE CHRISTIANS to obey the law and the Law of Christ.
It's The Law he fought against.

Not quite.

1 Corinthians 9:20-22 NIV
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.
To those under the law I became like one under the law
(though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.
21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law
(though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law),
so as to win those not having the law.
22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak.
I have become all things to all people so that
by all possible means I might save some.

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[Stumpmaster]

Good.
- How would you define faith in that statement?
- Does it take faith to "hear"/understand/receive "the Word of God"?

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Rhyming . . .

Romans 10: 8,9,10 & 11, tell us how we can get to heaven.

Rom 10:8-11 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth, and in your heart;” that is, the word of faith, which we preach: (9) that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (10) For with the heart, one believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (11) For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in him will not be disappointed.”

Faith is trust. God's Word produces it given the right heart conditions.

 

[Stumpmaster]

- Does it take faith to "hear"/understand/receive "the Word of God"?

The Parable of the Sower comes to mind.

Mat 13:23 But that sown on the good ground is this: he who hears the Word and understands; who also bears fruit and produces one truly a hundredfold; and one sixty; and one thirty.

The fertile soil produces fruit that endures whereas the compacted wayside, the stubborn stony ground, and the weedy overgrown wasteland fails to yield lasting faith.

Fortunately the witness of faithful Christians and the preaching of God's Word does enrich many lives so that they do become fertile soil for the seeds of the Gospel to sprout and mature in.

 

[St. SteVen]

Romans 10: 8,9,10 & 11, tell us how we can get to heaven.

Rom 10:8-11 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth, and in your heart;” that is, the word of faith, which we preach: (9) that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (10) For with the heart, one believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (11) For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in him will not be disappointed.”

Faith is trust. God's Word produces it given the right heart conditions.

Right.
That was my original take on Jude 1:3. That "the faith" delivered to the saints, was the belief in the essential gospel message from the beginning.
Rather than all the trappings that followed afterward. (religion)

The commentaries seem to insist that it is the religion of Christianity that was from the beginning delivered to the saints.
I have always hated commentaries. I still do. These experts are Bible semetary graduates. - LOL

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[Beebster]

What we can know about God is written about in the OT and the NT.

Yes, as in the Word of God. According to your signature:

Jesus is not the messenger....
Jesus is the message.

It seems you don’t quite believe the message.

We also have to admit and accept that the understanding of God grew and changed over millennia.

Sure, but man’s “understanding” of God is all over the place so in reality it's a pretty poor “understanding.”

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man RECEIVETH NOT the things of the Spirit of God: for they are FOOLISHNESS UNTO HIM: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You also didn't reply to my question as to your faith belief....I believe you're reformed.

You didn’t ask a question, you made what you believed to be, a matter-of-fact statement. You said:

You must be reformed of course.

That's not a question.

I say this because only the reformed believe that God created evil because He created everything...
even every little particle that floats around in the air, according to John Piper.

I don’t consider myself reformed or a Calvinist, or of any other denomination, but you can label me any way you wish.

Every other Christian denomination believes God is an all-good God and did not create evil.

Well, unfortunately for them God is not a democracy.

ALL GOOD means that there is NO EVIL in Him.

God is not evil but he does create it. He creates it for good.

I’ve already posted scripture to that point.

Was blinding Saul a necessary evil?

Was it for good?

The LORD GOD DEPARTED FROM SAUL and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

And where did that evil spirit come from. Let’s read it together: “an evil spirit FROM THE LORD”

What I'll say is this:
This goes also to the verse most commonly referred to Isaiah 45:7 which states that God has created evil/calamity.

Ah there it is “calamity.” Theologians must attempt to water down the scriptural fact that God creates evil otherwise they would have to admit that God holds himself responsible for HIS creation.

Since all these verses you've posted OPPOSE and CREATE CONFLICT between everything else the bible teaches (as most Calvinist beliefs do) then we must look for a solution.

You do know these verses are part of the message, right?

You might pray for the understanding of how the harmonize rather than “OPPOSE and CREATE CONFLICT.”

The solution, not offered by me but by theologians that know much more than we ever will...

It’s unfortunate you think that way.

is that:

1. The God of the OT revealed Himself to a primitive people and they attributed everything to Him, whether He CAUSED the action or not.

The God of the OT is the same God as the NT.

And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. (1 Cor 10:4)

And all that was done to them, good and evil, was done for a reason:

Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. (1 Cor 10:11)

2. The verse means something of deeper spirituality and theology which most persons do not discuss.

For instance, Isaiah 45:7 - calamity happens when God removes Himself from a situation. This is an INDIRECT cause of evil....
ALL evil is INDIRECTLY caused by God because He does NOT STOP IT, but allows nature to take its course.

And that is just unscriptural “passing of the buck”:

Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? (Amos 3:6)

The reformed believe God CAUSES evil and this belief creates a different God than the biblical God.

No, just a different God than the one you believe in.

The word HELL appears only one time in the NT.....
2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, held for judgment;

I certainly hope you know that the word HELL was incorrectly used in translating other words in the OT and NT that really meant something different....like, for instance the place of the dead.

I do know that.

There is no “place of the dead” the dead are in the “state of death.”

And “tartaroo” is not hell either.

And the word FEAR, if correctly translated, would mean RESPECT,,,,not fear as you're using it or as many using today.

I see. So we need to call on the theologians to tell us when to translate “phobeo” to “fear” and when to translate it “respect.”

Kind of like translating “ra” into “evil” or “calamity.”

Call in the wise men because we wouldn’t want people thinking Adam ate of the tree of “good and calamity” right?

No, I believe “phobeo” is translated to “fear” properly.

Now, to your point, there is healthy fear and unhealthy fear and we should have a healthy fear of God.

Yes. We understand B.
You claim God created satan....
specifically and for whatever purpose He may have had.

No, not my claim. That is scripture. In fact here are four witnesses to that fact which undoubtedly you will deny:

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? (Gen 3:1)

Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy (Isa 54:16)

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. (1 John 3:8)

By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent. (Job 26:13)

 

[Beebster]

Nice God you serve.
He's got you in that shed with the mice and serpents.
You're allowed to stay in there if you wish.

You mean the shed where they teach and sometimes demand, without authority, that you tithe a tenth of your wages?

Or teach that God sent his son to save the world but that he will ultimately fail to save the world?

Or teach that Lucifer is Satan and that Satan was a beautiful angel that went against God’s will?

Or any number of false doctrines they teach in order to keep the sheep lost and needing their unrighteous guidance?

No, I left that shed a long time ago.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. (Rev 18:4)

Why do you say this?
Every Christian knows that most of the world population will end up in the other place.

The other place?

Where is that?

What is that?

They STILL believe that God is LOVE because Jesus and the NT writers have portrayed Him as such.

Yeah, people seem to lose all logic when it comes to religion.

Is Jesus the ultimate revelation of God?

Yes, Jesus Christ is God.

Why was further revelation necessary?
Didn't we get the message from the OT?

Because God was not fully revealed in the OT. And guess what? Neither is God fully revealed in the NT.

Christians DO NOT STOP LOVING GOD and trusting Him because most do not accept Him.

Well, that’s good, but they seem to stop loving those that don’t accept him and that’s not good.

 

[Beebster]

What?
Do you know what just/justice means?
If you do, why post the above which seems to me to indicate that you do NOT know what justice is.
(as the reformed do not, of course, or they wouldn't be reformed).

You accused me of not answering a question, which wasn’t a question, but oddly enough you didn’t answer mine:

Which infinite punishment does your FAITH teach? Which one does your loving, merciful, just god dole out?

Actually this is true and accepted by both philosophy and theology.

Thank goodness both philosophers and theologians agree with the Word of God, else what would we do?

BUT
It doesn't mean that God created evil....

You keep using the word “created” as if evil was created then somehow magically rears its’ ugly head when the opportunity arises.

God did not “create” evil and then wash his hands of it.

God creates evil as the scriptures state, which you will not accept.

And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him.
And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. (1 Kings 21-22)

You're not correctly interpreting Colossians 1:28, but that would have to be a different discussion...

Colossians 1:28
25Of this church I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God,
26that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints,
27to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
28We proclaim Him, admonishing every man and teaching every man with all wisdom, so that we may present every man complete in Christ.
29For this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works within me.

Where in the above is it mentioned that both good and evil is being taught?

“teaching” every man with all wisdom

“[A]ll wisdom” includes the knowledge of good and evil, no?

I read that Paul is teaching the mystery that has been hid from the beginning....

And what mystery would that be?

Please enlighten me. And don't leave out Adam; he was, after all, the first man.

That also gentiles are called to salvation in Christ...

So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen. (Mat 20:16)

Another mystery the church ignores.

Paul is speaking to gentiles and giving them the GOOD NEWS.

Yes he is.

Good news that most do not understand to this day.

Well, it really is intellectually dishonest for bring up the crucifixion....
It is common Christian belief that God KNEW Adam would sin (did NOT CAUSE it)
And so God, being loving and just, made for us a solution to the problem Adam, the federal head of humanity,
created for us.

So it’s “intellectually dishonest” because the “common Christian belief” is that Adam’s fall is the reason Christ had to be crucified? Is that what you're saying?

For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done. (Act 4:27-28)

“determined before” was prior to the creation of Adam.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev 13:8)

Christ is “the Beginning” not Adam.

God has his creation well planned out.

 

[Johann]

You accused me of not answering a question, which wasn’t a question, but oddly enough you didn’t answer mine:


Thank goodness both philosophers and theologians agree with the Word of God, else what would we do?

You keep using the word “created” as if evil was created then somehow magically rears its’ ugly head when the opportunity arises.

God did not “create” evil and then wash his hands of it.

God creates evil as the scriptures state, which you will not accept, tells us.

And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him.
And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. (1 Kings 21-22)


“teaching” every man with all wisdom

“[A]ll wisdom” includes the knowledge of good and evil, no?

And what mystery would that be?

Please enlighten me. And don't leave out Adam; he was, after all, the first man.

So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen. (Mat 20:16)

Another mystery the church ignores.

Yes he is.

Good news that most do not understand to this day.

So it’s “intellectually dishonest” because the “common Christian belief” is that Adam’s fall is the reason Christ had to be crucified? Is that what you're saying?

For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done. (Act 4:27-28)

“determined before” was prior to the creation of Adam.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev 13:8)

Christ is “the Beginning” not Adam.

God has his creation well planned out.

Excellent-with Scriptures. One question: Do you lean toward Reformed Theology?

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes, as in the Word of God. According to your signature:

It seems you don’t quite believe the message.

It seem you don't quite understand it.

Sure, but man’s “understanding” of God is all over the place so in reality it's a pretty poor “understanding.”

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man RECEIVETH NOT the things of the Spirit of God: for they are FOOLISHNESS UNTO HIM: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Quite interesting.
I guess that's why we all believe something different.

You didn’t ask a question, you made what you believed to be, a matter-of-fact statement. You said:

That's not a question.

I don’t consider myself reformed or a Calvinist, or of any other denomination, but you can label me any way you wish.

You're reformed.
Are you ashamed of this?
If you aren't....your brother believers await you.

Well, unfortunately for them God is not a democracy.

So true.
But I'll tell you this:
If EVERY other denominations believed the opposite of what MY denomination teaches....
I'd stop and wonder why.
Leaving my brain at the door is not my way of learning Christianity.
I'd go where the road leads me.

God is not evil but he does create it. He creates it for good.

I’ve already posted scripture to that point.

Was blinding Saul a necessary evil?

Was it for good?

And where did that evil spirit come from. Let’s read it together: “an evil spirit FROM THE LORD”

Ah there it is “calamity.” Theologians must attempt to water down the scriptural fact that God creates evil otherwise they would have to admit that God holds himself responsible for HIS creation.

Evil and calamity means the same.
I explained to you what this verse means.
You're free to accept its meaning on your own terms.
and YOUR OWN terms it is, since your belief system is highly heretical.

You do know these verses are part of the message, right?

You might pray for the understanding of how the harmonize rather than “OPPOSE and CREATE CONFLICT.”

It’s unfortunate you think that way.

Actually Beebster....
It's YOUR theology that creates a conflict.
I could list tens of verses that state what a good and loving God we have.
YOU could list tens of verses that state that God created evil,,,which means that He has evil in Him.

HOW to reconcile is the question.
Which I won't be attempting to do with you BTW.
Because I've read all 3 of your posts
and if you think I'm going to try to justify to you that God is the God of the bible and is
all-good then you're sadly mistaken.

The God of the OT is the same God as the NT.

Who said otherwise?
See. You don't really read what the poster is saying
or
understand it.

And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. (1 Cor 10:4)

And all that was done to them, good and evil, was done for a reason:

Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. (1 Cor 10:11)

And that is just unscriptural “passing of the buck”:

Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? (Amos 3:6)

No, just a different God than the one you believe in.

I do know that.

There is no “place of the dead” the dead are in the “state of death.”

I think you need to read the OT again.
Will not be posting any scripture for you because this conversation is coming to a quick halt.

And “tartaroo” is not hell either.

Oh. I think you need to redo the NT too.

I see. So we need to call on the theologians to tell us when to translate “phobeo” to “fear” and when to translate it “respect.”

Kind of like translating “ra” into “evil” or “calamity.”

Call in the wise men because we wouldn’t want people thinking Adam ate of the tree of “good and calamity” right?

No, I believe “phobeo” is translated to “fear” properly.

Now, to your point, there is healthy fear and unhealthy fear and we should have a healthy fear of God.

Yes.
I do believe I'll be trusting theologians more than you.
Sorry 'bout that.

No, not my claim. That is scripture. In fact here are four witnesses to that fact which undoubtedly you will deny:

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? (Gen 3:1)

Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy (Isa 54:16)

You know what I stated about the OT.
If not, you could read my post again because I'm not repeating
and you don't care.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. (1 John 3:8)

Nothing to do with anything.

By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent. (Job 26:13)

Job.
Yes. I know.
The reformed must use the OT a lot because the NT does not support their belief system.

 

[GodsGrace]

You mean the shed where they teach and sometimes demand, without authority, that you tithe a tenth of your wages?

Or teach that God sent his son to save the world but that he will ultimately fail to save the world?

Or teach that Lucifer is Satan and that Satan was a beautiful angel that went against God’s will?

Or any number of false doctrines they teach in order to keep the sheep lost and needing their unrighteous guidance?

No, I left that shed a long time ago.

And now you've wandered into gnostic territory.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. (Rev 18:4)

The other place?

Where is that?

What is that?

Yeah, people seem to lose all logic when it comes to religion.

Yes, Jesus Christ is God.

Because God was not fully revealed in the OT. And guess what? Neither is God fully revealed in the NT.

Well, that’s good, but they seem to stop loving those that don’t accept him and that’s not good.

Guess you know much more than any of us poor blokes.

You mention Jesus.
I'll say this:
Jesus is the final revelation. No more after Him.
He is the image of God.

Does Jesus seem to be a creator of hatred and fear?
Does Jesus seem to want to save everyone since He died for EVERYONE'S sins or does it seem like He'd like some to go to hell?

Nothing more to add.

 

[GodsGrace]

You accused me of not answering a question, which wasn’t a question, but oddly enough you didn’t answer mine:

How great.
Another calvinist that cannot answer what justice means.
No problem.
I didn't expect an answer.
If you gave the definition, you'd have to relearn the Christian faith from the beginning.

Thank goodness both philosophers and theologians agree with the Word of God, else what would we do?

You keep using the word “created” as if evil was created then somehow magically rears its’ ugly head when the opportunity arises.

God did not “create” evil and then wash his hands of it.

God creates evil as the scriptures state, which you will not accept.

And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him.
And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. (1 Kings 21-22)


“teaching” every man with all wisdom

“[A]ll wisdom” includes the knowledge of good and evil, no?

I stated what this means.
You don't have to accept it, of course.

And what mystery would that be?

I also stated what the mystery is.
Do you read posts or you just enjoy spewing nonsense about how God is evil?

Please enlighten me. And don't leave out Adam; he was, after all, the first man.

So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen. (Mat 20:16)

Oh my.
You must have read John Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion....
Book 3
Chapter 24
Paragraph 8

Another mystery the church ignores.

Yes he is.

Good news that most do not understand to this day.

So it’s “intellectually dishonest” because the “common Christian belief” is that Adam’s fall is the reason Christ had to be crucified? Is that what you're saying?

It's INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST for calvinists to bring up Jesus' crucifixion as proof/support of predestination.
OF COURSE Jesus death was predestined.
FROM THE BEGINNING.....and I stated why.

You really should read posts more carefully.

For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done. (Act 4:27-28)

“determined before” was prior to the creation of Adam.

Really???

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev 13:8)

Christ is “the Beginning” not Adam.

God has his creation well planned out.

That's great news.

And with that, I leave you to your very own private interpretation of scripture.
No need to reply.

 

[Behold]

Right.
That was my original take on Jude 1:3. That "the faith" delivered to the saints,

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Jude says the believer is to contend for the "real Faith".

Why?

Because there is so much false faith theology, that is not related to "justification BY faith". or John 14:6

Paul says that we are to make certain we are in "the faith"....

Notice that both Paul and Jude limit Faith" to "THE"... and that is because there is """""One LORD... ONE FAITH, and ONE Baptism""""related strictly to being born again.

So, what is THAT "one" faith".

Paul says that if you teach any other GOSPEL then His, then "accursed" is your issue... Galatians 1:8

So, the one true faith is OUR = ""faith, is counted by GOD... as (Christ's) Righteousness.""""

See that Cause and Effect, of the one true Faith? ????????????????

The one True faith, is FAITH IN THE Gospel of the Grace of God,....= that is"" THE Preaching of The Cross.""

What does that ONE Faith, exclude?

Everything else., that you can possibly believe in, to try to be accepted by God.

Like..

1.) Water baptism
2.) Commandment keeping
3.) Law keeping
4.) Self effort
5.) Trying to be like Christ
6.) Joining a specific Church

And Reader, here is the one you have to careful not to fall into, if you have managed to not be trapped by a cult that has you trusting in those other 6 in the list.

A.) Be careful that you are not trusting in FAITH..
See it can be that a person is trusting in FAITH, and they are deceived and believe that this is to trust in Christ.

Let me show you how that works...

This person would think and believe....

"well, as long as i dont lose my FAITH, i stay saved".

"As long as i hold unto my FAITH, i will not go to hell"

See that?
That is FAITH in FAITH, vs, Faith in Christ, and that is a very subtle false belief system, whereby the person has completely shifted from Trust in Christ...... to Trust in Faith... to try to keep themselves saved.

Reader, "FAITH" didnt hang on THE Cross for you.
Faith didnt die on The Cross for you.
FAITH is not the Savior.
Do not trust in Faith......Trust only in CHRIST.
Be sure you see that perfectly, and many do not realize what has happened to their Faith.

So....Be wary of that broken faith, if you have managed not to fall victim of one of the other 6, on that list.

 

[St. SteVen]

Jude says the believer is to contend for the "real Faith".

The "real Faith"? It says that? Show us. Thanks.

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[St. SteVen]

Paul says that we are to make certain we are in "the faith"....

Where does he say that?

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[St. SteVen]

Reader, "FAITH" didnt hang on THE Cross for you.
Faith didnt die on The Cross for you.
FAITH is not the Savior.
Do not trust in Faith......Trust only in CHRIST.
Be sure you see that perfectly, and many do not realize what has happened to their Faith.

Worth re-reading. Thanks.

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[St. SteVen]

You could disagree St. SteVen.
You could preach and teach that Jesus did not teach the very commandments HE gave to Moses and which are meant to be forever....
which is why the Sabbath issue always comes up.

Where did Jesus preach the Ten Commandments?

However, He kept all of them....
and disciples are supposed to follow and learn from their teacher...

Like you said; the Sabbath thing always comes up.
Jesus was not know as a Sabbath-keeper. On the contrary.

John 9:16 NIV
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.”
But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

John 5:18 NIV
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

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Where did Jesus preach the Ten Commandments?

This is a funny question St. SteVen
Is Jesus God?
Did God give the 10 commandments?
Did Jesus observe all the 10 commandments?
Did I state that Jesus is our Lord and IF we are a disciple we should follow and learn from our Lord?
Do you believe that Jesus DID NOT teach the 10 commandments in one way or another?
Do you really need a list?
What did Jesus say to the young ruler?

Like you said; the Sabbath thing always comes up.
Jesus was not know as a Sabbath-keeper. On the contrary.

John 9:16 NIV
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.”
But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

Oh my.
Another conflict in the bible.
Maybe we should all throw our bibles away and just get it over with.
Maybe Jesus should have written a book of LAW, like Muhammad did, so we could actually KNOW FOR SURE what He expects from us?

John 5:18 NIV
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Here's
John 5:18
18For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

Now, you sure do ask a lot of questions on the board...
let's see if you can answer some more - other than the ones above.

What was the OCCASION in which Jesus was accused of not keeping the Sabbath?
What did the Jews mean by NOT KEEPING THE SABBATH?
HOW did Jesus not keep the Sabbath?

Read Matthew 12:12 and Mark 2:23-27
and don't miss Mark 2:28 when Jesus calls Himself the LORD OF THE SABBATH.
What did Jesus mean by this?

Do you believe there's a conflict in the bible or do you think there's a solution?
What is that solution?

If you can answer this yourself without being told the answer by me,
you may remember it better and discover, happily, that
THERE IS NO CONFLICT IN THE NT.

Please reply when your little study is complete.
And if you don't think you need one....
then please EXPLAIN THE CONFLICT....
IF you think there is one.

 

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St. SteVen said:
John 5:18 NIV
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

What was the OCCASION in which Jesus was accused of not keeping the Sabbath?
What did the Jews mean by NOT KEEPING THE SABBATH?
HOW did Jesus not keep the Sabbath?

Let's check the context. See below.
In verse 17 Jesus gives his defense.
But what is the most basic law concerning the Sabbath?
No work. It is a day of forced rest. Jesus says that he and the Father are working.
The leaders understood this full well. An admission of Sabbath-breaking.

John 5:16-18 NIV
So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath,
the Jewish leaders began to persecute him.
17 In his defense Jesus said to them,
“My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.”
18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him;
not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father,
making himself equal with God.

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