Is there a difference in " FALSE " teaching & error in teaching ?

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Depends on i guess if you believr hades has been done away with @Enoch111 i do so therefore people do become resurrected and placed either outside or inside the kingdom.

Of course everyone here disagrees with that notion mainly as the revelation is a difficult book to undertake, being super jewish in writing.
 
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God  desires for us to come to him....." Those that seek me early,shall find me." We must remain " in Christ".
Jesus said to " come take my yoke upon you for my burden is easy & light".
Jesus also said-
And He was saying to them all, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.

1.Transliteration: arnēsasthō
Morphology: V-AMM-3S
Verb - Aorist Imperative Middle - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's no.: G720 (ἀρνέομαι)
Meaning: (a) to deny (a statement), (b) to repudiate (a person, or belief).
ἀράτω

2.Transliteration: aratō
Morphology: V-AMA-3S
Verb - Aorist Imperative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's no.: G142 (αἴρω)
Meaning: To raise, lift up, take away, remove.
3.Transliteration: akoloutheitō
Morphology: V-PMA-3S
Verb - Present Imperative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's no.: G190 (ἀκολουθέω)
Meaning: To accompany, attend, follow.

How many of us have read this but not noticed the 3 Imperatives in this verse?

THE SYNONYMOUS WORDS
FOR
"WILL" AND "WISH".



The difference between these two words is important; and, in the occurrences of each, this Appendix is referred to.
1. thelo means to wish or desire , and is the emotional element which leads to the consequent action. It is therefore stronger than boulomai , because the natural impulse is stronger than the reasoned resolve.
2. The Noun thelema must also be noted, with the same distinction from boulema , as denoting the desire rather than the resolve.
3. boulomai , though it sometimes means more, yet has reference to the result of thelo ; viz. the deliberate determination, whether in accordance with, or contrary to, the original wish or impulse.
4. In like manner the Noun boulema is to be distinguished from thelema (No. 2) as denoting resolve, counsel, or determination, rather than the wish or desire. Boulema occurs only twice, Act_27:43. Rom_9:19. The Noun, boule with a similar meaning, occurs twelve times.
For illustrations of the differences see Mat_1:19. Mar_15:9; Mar_15:12; Mar_15:15. Rom_7:15, &c.


9:23 Refers to setting aside one’s interests for the sake of God’s kingdom.
Jesus’ disciples must be willing to follow Him every day, no matter what the cost. See note on Matt 10:38.
9:24 By seeking to avoid the potential hardships associated with following Jesus, a person ends up losing his or her life.

Although the timeframe is not specified here, Jesus likely is referring to final judgment (see Luke 10:14 and note; 11:31, 32). Jesus also seems to be referring to people losing out on relationship with God in general—the true meaning of life.
Those who embrace Jesus’ call to discipleship—including the difficulties it brings—will be saved (compare John 3:16–17).

Is it too harsh?-

By seeking to avoid the potential hardships associated with following Jesus, a person ends up losing his or her life.

I think not, speaking from experience.


If: Luk_14:26-27; Mat_10:38-39, Mat_16:22-25; Mar_8:34-38; Joh_12:25-26; Rom_8:13; Col_3:5; 2Ti_3:12
deny: Tit_2:12

daily: 1Co_15:30-31

Didn't want to "highjack or interpose" @Keturah but this was a good opportunity to share, with you, the Scriptures.

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Is there a difference in " FALSE " teaching & error in teaching ?​

Hmmmmm, welllllll, FALSE teaching is all those others and error in teaching is never me. That should hit the nail on the head! :p
 

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*****If a "christian" believes they can "lose their Salvation" then they do not TRUST IN CHRIST to Keep them SAVED.****

This is erroneous teaching.....


If you believe you can lose your Salvation, then you ether dont understand The Cross of Christ, or, you did once understand that Jesus is Salvation, but now you dont Trust Him anymore to keep you saved.

So, once you are that one, you have stopped trusting in Christ, and you are now trusting in YOU< as there is no one left to trust.

Understand yet?

So, This condition of broken faith is spiritual blindness, and that is how you spot a heretic., Keturah.
 
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But how many genuine Christians believe this nonsense?

Any real believer, will believe what i wrote......who is truly born again..... and im not talking about a water baptized religious fakir..., obviously.

So, any Real Believer, understands that JESUS is Salvation. Not water, not works.

This means that when we find someone who says they are a Christian, but they dont trust in Christ to keep them saved, then what are they trusting to get them to Heaven. ????

A.) ITS NOT JESUS.

= Heretic. So, this is either a person who is really not saved to begin with, or, they are saved, and they are "fallen from Grace", and are now a SELF Saver....
They will have a list of "do's and don't do's" that they try to keep ,as they believe that this LIST will get them into Heaven.
 
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Any real believer, will believe what i wrote......who is truly born again..... and im not talking about a water baptized religious fakir..., obviously.

So, any Real Believer, understands that JESUS is Salvation. Not water, not works.
Amen!!...a true born again imo/ belief...knows 100% they have been birthed in the Spirit....they have been set free from sin, it’s a “ Supernatural birth “ that only the Holy Spirit can do, a “ Living “ birth..

A true Born Again can never lose their salvation..no one can un birth, what God has done through the Spirit....it’s a done deal, we are His and His alone....Praise God, an Honour and Privilege to be in the Kingdom of God..we are children of the most High!!....my testimony and belief...100%

Edit to add, the Holy Spirit indwells my spirit, knew that from day one of being birthed in the Spirit.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Romans 8:11
Verse Concepts
But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

Source: 16 Bible verses about Indwelling Of The Holy Spirit
 
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Amen!!...a true born again imo/ belief...knows 100% they have been birthed in the Spirit....they have been set free from sin, it’s a “ Supernatural birth “ that only the Holy Spirit can do, a “ Living “ birth..

A true Born Again can never lose their salvation..no one can un birth, what God has done through the Spirit....it’s a done deal, we are His and His alone....Praise God, an Honour and Privilege to be in the Kingdom of God..we are children of the most High!!....my testimony and belief...100%

Edit to add, the Holy Spirit indwells my spirit, knew that from day one of being birthed in the Spirit.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Romans 8:11
Verse Concepts
But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

Source: 16 Bible verses about Indwelling Of The Holy Spirit

Amen.

You said..>"no one can un-birth"........ and that is so true.
We can't Un-birth from our Mother, or from being Born again, by God.
 

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But what about people who

start to doubt?

Hebrews 3:12
See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.


I get it there are people who wont douubt God in their sickest moments but what about those who do ?

Sure those whom have faith they will stick it through,


But to remain humble and consider the weaker ones is needed..
 
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@MatthewG

What about people who doubt, who are born again. ??????

A.) So what.

Never have the idea or belief that God can't deal with your doubt and your faith crisis.

James said they had "dead faith".......not dead Salvation.
He never said that their "dead faith" would never change, READER.

The verse says that we please God with our faith, but that does not mean we can't wonder why things happen.

"all things happen for our good"....but that does not mean you can't really dislike what is happening, and want it to CHANGE.

That does not mean that we can't have feelings and emotions and ask God...>"what about this".

"God is our FATHER in Heaven"... not our warden, or our taskmaster.

He's DADDY...>"abba"..

God welcomes questions. He is not offended when we want it to be one way, and it goes the other way., and we get upset.

Notice 2 verses.

1.) """Jesus LEARNED Obedience by the things He = SUFFERED""........and so will we, at times.

2.) Paul said that he had """learned how to be content, in all situations""".......poor, rich, cold, tired, old, without sleep......He had learned to exist in the Grace of God and not be "up today" "down tomorrow'......emotionally disturbed by what goes wrong, or what goes right.

He had to learn that....
So do we.
 
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Hebrews 3:12

“See, brethren, lest there shall be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in the falling away from the living God, but exhort ye one another every day, while the To-day is called, that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of the sin, for partakers we have become of the Christ, if the beginning of the confidence unto the end we may hold fast, in its being said, ‘To-day, if His voice ye may hear, ye may not harden your hearts, as in the provocation,’”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭3‬:‭12‬-‭15‬ ‭YLT98‬‬


To love your neighbor, consider the weak.

Sometimes people in the bible even prayed and asked God to kill them; they of course had belief.

Numbers 11:15

If this is how you intend to treat me, just go ahead and kill me. Do me a favor and spare me this misery!”

The answer is not just “so what!?”
 
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Jesus also said-
And He was saying to them all, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.

1.Transliteration: arnēsasthō
Morphology: V-AMM-3S
Verb - Aorist Imperative Middle - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's no.: G720 (ἀρνέομαι)
Meaning: (a) to deny (a statement), (b) to repudiate (a person, or belief).
ἀράτω

2.Transliteration: aratō
Morphology: V-AMA-3S
Verb - Aorist Imperative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's no.: G142 (αἴρω)
Meaning: To raise, lift up, take away, remove.
3.Transliteration: akoloutheitō
Morphology: V-PMA-3S
Verb - Present Imperative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's no.: G190 (ἀκολουθέω)
Meaning: To accompany, attend, follow.

How many of us have read this but not noticed the 3 Imperatives in this verse?

THE SYNONYMOUS WORDS
FOR
"WILL" AND "WISH".



The difference between these two words is important; and, in the occurrences of each, this Appendix is referred to.
1. thelo means to wish or desire , and is the emotional element which leads to the consequent action. It is therefore stronger than boulomai , because the natural impulse is stronger than the reasoned resolve.
2. The Noun thelema must also be noted, with the same distinction from boulema , as denoting the desire rather than the resolve.
3. boulomai , though it sometimes means more, yet has reference to the result of thelo ; viz. the deliberate determination, whether in accordance with, or contrary to, the original wish or impulse.
4. In like manner the Noun boulema is to be distinguished from thelema (No. 2) as denoting resolve, counsel, or determination, rather than the wish or desire. Boulema occurs only twice, Act_27:43. Rom_9:19. The Noun, boule with a similar meaning, occurs twelve times.
For illustrations of the differences see Mat_1:19. Mar_15:9; Mar_15:12; Mar_15:15. Rom_7:15, &c.


9:23 Refers to setting aside one’s interests for the sake of God’s kingdom.
Jesus’ disciples must be willing to follow Him every day, no matter what the cost. See note on Matt 10:38.
9:24 By seeking to avoid the potential hardships associated with following Jesus, a person ends up losing his or her life.

Although the timeframe is not specified here, Jesus likely is referring to final judgment (see Luke 10:14 and note; 11:31, 32). Jesus also seems to be referring to people losing out on relationship with God in general—the true meaning of life.
Those who embrace Jesus’ call to discipleship—including the difficulties it brings—will be saved (compare John 3:16–17).

Is it too harsh?-

By seeking to avoid the potential hardships associated with following Jesus, a person ends up losing his or her life.

I think not, speaking from experience.


If: Luk_14:26-27; Mat_10:38-39, Mat_16:22-25; Mar_8:34-38; Joh_12:25-26; Rom_8:13; Col_3:5; 2Ti_3:12
deny: Tit_2:12

daily: 1Co_15:30-31

Didn't want to "highjack or interpose" @Keturah but this was a good opportunity to share, with you, the Scriptures.

Johann.
I agree there is a personal price we must pay to follow by denying self to follow Christ.

I don't know a true bible believing follower of the Lord that would state.....this is an easy way, for self / flesh cries out to be satisfied & must be denied.
 
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Christians do not base their lol doctrine on the book of Ecclesiastes. That's what the cults do. Spirits do NOT return to God and that is clear in both the OT and the NT. Before the resurrection of Christ both the souls and the spirits of the righteous ad unrighteous dead went to Sheol/Hades. After the resurrection of Christ the souls and the spirits of the saints go to be with Christ in Heaven. However the unsaved still go to Hades.

As for the spirits of animals that is not necessarily true, since animals do not have souls and spirits. Ecclesiastes 3:21 ASKS A QUESTION. It does not affirm anything. Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? Since God ordained animal sacrifices, He also made sure that animals would not suffer unnecessarily.

As you can see, on one hand you have a concern for sound doctrine, and on the other hand you hold to some questionable beliefs.



"As you can see, on one hand you have a concern for sound doctrine, and on the other hand you hold to some questionable beliefs."

REALLY, Enoch don't be such a hard nose.
No one really  knows anyone or exactly what they believe.

**†** If any of this turns personal, I'll ask the thread be locked or walk away !******
 
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We are another story for we are fallible.
Should you wish to look at this, I posted,


Much love!
 

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I was SAVED & for 17 yrs I followed his leading,filled with the Holy Spirit then something happened that shipwrecked my faith
So sorry to hear this; personally, I really do try to base my beliefs of Sound Doctrine on
Infallible Scripture, rather than interpreting them on my fallible experiences, eh?
Sin will not go to heaven!
Correct! My Blessed Saviour left ALL my sins behind in the tomb, after He Paid The
FULL Price With God's
ALL-Sufficient BLOOD!! I will have No Judgment for them, but
will "receive or lose rewards" for my "good and bad works." (1 Corinthians 3:8-15)
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Php 4:8 "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things arehonest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoeverthings are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue,and if there be any praise,...

...think on These Things.":

3) Which are actually Very Many "Positive Acts Of God, at our moment of faith,"
which most very rarely consider, spending way too much time on the negatives of
false teachings?:

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST
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I apologize; I should have clarified a bit more here:

In the Right Division Of The Word Of Truth (2 Timothy 2:15), we find there are many
'Scriptural Teachings' that are brought forward 'from the law' and erroneously applied to
today's Dispensation Of Grace = those would be the "error" in teaching, different from:

the "false teachings," such as the denial of The Triune Godhead, the virgin birth of
Christ, the resurrection Of Christ, the Second Coming of Christ, etc...

If you wish, more is here:

Relationship vs fellowship
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unScriptural or UNdispensational?

Amen.
 
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False teachings? 2 peter 2

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2Pe_2:1. ψευδοπροφῆται ἐν τῷ λαῷ. ἐν τῷ λαῷ is used for the chosen people in LXX. ψευδοπροφῆται. A class of False Prophets is frequently mentioned in the O.T.

In the earlier ages it is not suggested that there was conscious deceit on the part of the prophet. His prophecy is false, if it is proved so by the event (Jer_28:9). “When a prophet lies, without being inspired by a false or impotent god, it is because God in His anger against Israel’s sin means to destroy him, and therefore put into the prophets ‘a lying spirit’ ”. (Schulz. O.T. Th. i. 257). Cf. 1Ki_22:5 ff.

These are the prophets who cry “peace, peace,” when God is really going to bring judgment. In the later period superstitious acts and pagan practices, such as spiritualism, ventriloquism, professional soothsaying, became common (e.g. Jer_27:9; Isa_8:19). The cardinal distinction between the true and the false prophet lay in the moral character of their teaching (Jer_23:21-22). ψευδοδιδάσκαλοι.

The characteristics of their teaching are well-marked in this Epistle. See Introduction, pp. 115 ff. Compare Php_3:18 f., “enemies of the Cross,” who brought tears of shame to the eyes of the Apostle; the abuses of the Lord’s Supper in 1 Corinthians 11.; also Gal_2:4, 2Co_11:13.
παρεισάξουσιν. What is the force of παρα-? The idea of “stealth” or “secrecy”—“stealthily to introduce”—is hardly in accord with their character described elsewhere as τολμηταὶ αὐθάδεις, δόξας οὐ τρέμουσιν βλασφημοῦντες (2Pe_2:10).

Rather the idea seems to be of the introduction of false teaching alongside the true, whereby the ὁδὸς ἀληθείας is brought into disrepute.


Cf. παρεισενέγκαντες, 2Pe_1:5. The idea of stealth is present in παρεισάκτους (Gal_2:5). αἱρέσεις. Clearly αἵρεσις here is used in original sense of “tenet” (“animus,” “sententia”) (So Spitta, von Soden, Weiss; but cf. Zahn., op. cit. ii. 233).

In Gal_5:20, 1Co_11:19, the sense is “dissensions,” arising from such diversity of opinion. It is used in the sense of “sect” in Act_5:17; Act_15:5; Act_24:5.

The ψευδοδιδάσκαλοι were within the Church. Even the “Alogi,” who disputed the fourth Gospel in second century, were not excommunicated. They were, as Epiphanius says, “one of ourselves”. Cf. MME., Expos. Feb. 1908. αἱρέσεις ἀπωλείας.

The Genitive contains the qualifying idea—“corrupting tenets”. Our identification with a great cause may be maintained, as in the case of the false teachers, but personal motives may sadly deteriorate, and the influence of the life may breed corruption. Cf. Ignat. Trall. vi. 1; Eph. vi. 2. καὶ τὸν ἀγορ.… ἀρνούμενοι. καὶ = “even”. Cf. Mar_1:27. If the ordinary use of δεσπότης in early Christian writers is followed here, viz., as referring to God, ἀγοράζω would also be used of God, who redeemed Israel out of Egypt (2Sa_7:23).

The reference here, however, is to Christ (cf. Mayor, p. 17.). The N.T. use of ἀγορ. is illustrated in 1Co_6:20, where reference might be to God; but in 2Sa_7:23 reference is clearly to Christ. So in Rev_5:9. Cf. our Lord’s words in Mar_10:45, about “giving his life a ransom” and Jude 2Pe_2:4.

The “denial” seems to have consisted in an inadequate view of the Person and Work of Christ, and their relation to the problem of human sin. Cf. Epp. of Peter, J. H. Jowett, pp. 230 ff. ταχινὴν. See note on 2Pe_1:14. ἐπάγοντες. The middle might have been expected. cf.v. 5, where the active is suitably used.
XG

But there arose (egenonto de). Second aorist middle indicative of ginomai (cf. ginetai in 2Pe_1:20).

False prophets also (kai pseudoprophētai). In contrast with the true prophets just pictured in 2Pe_1:20.

Late compound in lxx and Philo, common in N.T. (Mat_7:15). Allusion to the O.T. times like Balaam and others (Jer_6:13; Jer_28:9; Eze_13:9).

False teachers (pseudodidaskaloi). Late and rare compound (pseudēs, didaskalos) here alone in N.T. Peter pictures them as in the future here (esontai, shall be) and again as already present (eisin, are, 2Pe_2:17), or in the past (eplanēthēsan, they went astray, 2Pe_2:15).

Shall privily bring in (pareisaxousin). Future active of pareisagō, late double compound pareisagō, to bring in (eisagō), by the side (para), as if secretly, here alone in N.T., but see pareisaktous in Gal_2:4 (verbal adjective of this same verb).
Destructive heresies (haireseis apōleias).

Descriptive genitive, “heresies of destruction” (marked by destruction) as in Luk_16:8. Hairesis (from haireō) is simply a choosing, a school, a sect like that of the Sadducees (Act_5:17), of the Pharisees (Act_15:5), and of Christians as Paul admitted (Act_24:5). These “tenets” (Gal_5:20) led to destruction.


Denying (arnoumenoi). Present middle participle of arneomai. This the Gnostics did, the very thing that Peter did, alas (Mat_26:70) even after Christ’s words (Mat_10:33).

Even the Master (kai ton despotēn). Old word for absolute master, here of Christ as in Jud_1:4, and also of God (Act_4:24). Without the evil sense in our “despot.”
That bought them (ton agorasanta autous). First aorist active articular participle of agorazō, same idea with lutroō in 1Pe_1:18. These were professing Christians, at any rate, these heretics.

Swift destruction (tachinēn apōleian). See 2Pe_1:14 for tachinēn and note repetition of apōleian. This is always the tragedy of such false prophets, the fate that they bring on (epagontes) themselves.
Robertson

Too good an opportunity to miss @MatthewG--

Shalom
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I was SAVED & for 17 yrs I followed his leading,filled with the Holy Spirit then something happened that shipwrecked my faith; I backslid on God, just walked away. I lived in every filthy sin I could find, no holding back. I believe had I died in my slop pen I would NOT have ever gone to be with the Lord!
Sin will not go to heaven!

Thank God for his sweet Spirit that came & brought conviction upon me that I returned to the Lord before death; when Israel backslid they were not always so fortunate to return to God before destruction fell on them.
I was born again in 1981, and by 1985 I was drinking/drugging again, and had returned to my old ways. I was in church off and on for the next several years, then for for around 8 or 9 years, no one would ever have thought I was a Christian. I was vile and I was disgusted with myself, and lived in fear.

God shook me awake when I was 40 or so, thankfully, and began some construction work in me.

During all that time of walking according to the flesh, ever since I was reborn, I've never been the same. Before I was born again these sins didn't bother me, but now they did. I had no consciousness of God, no thought nor concern of Him, now I did. And in all of it, no matter what I was doing, what was happening, there in a little corner in the back of my head praise choruses were running through my mind, non stop, 24/7.

All these simple choruses I'd learned at Calvary Chapel, "I lift my hands up, unto thy Name, I lift my hands up, unto thy Name. My lips shall praise Thee, thus will I bless Thee . . ." I was His, and I was changed.

Wisdom is justified by her children.

God did not let me fall and not get up. And He was faithful to you also, praise Him!!!!

Much love!
 
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So sorry to hear this; personally, I really do try to base my beliefs of Sound Doctrine on
Infallible Scripture, rather than interpreting them on my fallible experiences, eh?

Correct! My Blessed Saviour left ALL my sins behind in the tomb, after He Paid The
FULL Price With God's
ALL-Sufficient BLOOD!! I will have No Judgment for them, but
will "receive or lose rewards" for my "good and bad works." (1 Corinthians 3:8-15)
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op: "Difference in 'False' teaching and 'error' in teaching?



I apologize; I should have clarified a bit more here:

In the Right Division Of The Word Of Truth (2 Timothy 2:15), we find there are many
'Scriptural Teachings' that are brought forward 'from the law' and erroneously applied to
today's Dispensation Of Grace = those would be the "error" in teaching, different from:

the "false teachings," such as the denial of The Triune Godhead, the virgin birth of
Christ, the resurrection Of Christ, the Second Coming of Christ, etc...

If you wish, more is here:

Relationship vs fellowship
+
unScriptural or UNdispensational?

Amen.

Thank you ,I will peruse both of your threads.❤️