Is there a difference in " FALSE " teaching & error in teaching ?

[marks]

Thank you ,I will peruse both of your threads.

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@Johann

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[ChristisGod]

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@Johann

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[David in NJ]

I really have no input but was musing over how divided our Christian world is.

One states this is "what it says "while another states but this is "what it means".

I believe when we study we must do so with the Spirit, rightly dividing the word in context.

I do believe we all have some aspects of indoctrination in our thinking upon the word of God. However we should all be given to " swift to hear, slow to speak" in our addressing of others. I fail @ this many times.

To me,  false teaching goes against the words of God, written for our growth & perfecting. I am seeing much " error" in teachings that we have learned from many sources as we grow from childhood onwards.

Does anyone care to share your insights, battles against, or just what you've found to be  true in this questioning......

Well, my first exposure to false teaching was being raised a practicing Roman Catholic.

At 23 i was invited to a Bible Study group and it was there that i received the Word and thru the Word that i was Born-Again.

After that the LORD had me visit different churches, mostly Baptist and Pentecostal.

Since i had already received the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, i had to search the scriptures to see if it were true(Pentecostal) or if i had been deceived(Baptist).
Found the answer in God's Word, on my own and that was a huge Boost from the LORD as He was teaching me in the Holy Scriptures.

The next hurdle was 'pre-trib' rapture which both Baptist and Pentecostal cling to.
So i cast myself at the Feet of JESUS for the Truth = according to His words and not man's.


John ch17
But now I am coming to You; and I am saying these things while I am in the world, so that they may have My joy fulfilled within them.
I have given them Your word and the world has hated them; for they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one.
They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth.
As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world.
For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth.

 

[Johann]

In a few minutes, I'll be offline until Tuesday . . . hold that thought! ;)

@Johann

Much love!

Enjoy my brother.
Johann

 

[Behold]

I was born again in 1981, and by 1985 I was drinking/drugging again, and had returned to my old ways. I was in church off and on for the next several years, then for for around 8 or 9 years, no one would ever have thought I was a Christian. I was vile and I was disgusted with myself, and lived in fear.

Thanks for this Testimony.
The "before and after" is always the proof of God's Grace.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I really have no input but was musing over how divided our Christian world is.

One states this is "what it says "while another states but this is "what it means".

I believe when we study we must do so with the Spirit, rightly dividing the word in context.

I do believe we all have some aspects of indoctrination in our thinking upon the word of God. However we should all be given to " swift to hear, slow to speak" in our addressing of others. I fail @ this many times.

To me,  false teaching goes against the words of God, written for our growth & perfecting. I am seeing much " error" in teachings that we have learned from many sources as we grow from childhood onwards.

Does anyone care to share your insights, battles against, or just what you've found to be  true in this questioning......

A false teaching is simply that, whether by error or deliberately done, of course deliberately misrepresenting God's word would be a heavy sin in God's eyes I would imagine. Keep in mind no one has absolute truth, so all faiths will have some erroneous teachings. God reveals His word progressively.

 

[David in NJ]

A false teaching is simply that, whether by error or deliberately done, of course deliberately misrepresenting God's word would be a heavy sin in God's eyes I would imagine. Keep in mind no one has absolute truth, so all faiths will have some erroneous teachings. God reveals His word progressively.

"the Word was a god"

 

[amadeus]

Christians do not base their doctrine on the book of Ecclesiastes. That's what the cults do. Spirits do NOT return to God and that is clear in both the OT and the NT. Before the resurrection of Christ both the souls and the spirits of the righteous ad unrighteous dead went to Sheol/Hades. After the resurrection of Christ the souls and the spirits of the saints go to be with Christ in Heaven. However the unsaved still go to Hades.

As for the spirits of animals that is not necessarily true, since animals do not have souls and spirits. Ecclesiastes 3:21 ASKS A QUESTION. It does not affirm anything. Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? Since God ordained animal sacrifices, He also made sure that animals would not suffer unnecessarily.

As you can see, on one hand you have a concern for sound doctrine, and on the other hand you hold to some questionable beliefs.

Truly in Ecclesiastes, Solomon describes the ways of the flesh, the vain ways in which a carnal man walks and the apparent lack of purpose in that walk. At the end of the book, however, he writes this:

Ec 12:13	Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ec 12:14	For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil

Those people living before the sacrifice of Jesus was implemented on Calvary and before the Holy Spirit was poured out that day of Pentecost [Acts 2] had less given to them, but Jesus speaks of that difference here:

Lu 12:48

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

If we now have more from God than those who went before Jesus and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, then does not God require more from us?

"much is given"... much [is] required"

 

[ChristisGod]

"the Word was a god"

Equals deliberate false teaching

 

[Mr E]

One states this is "what it says "while another states but this is "what it means".

I believe when we study we must do so with the Spirit, rightly dividing the word in context.

Good thread. And you hit the target by differentiating above-- what it says versus what it means. That is the hill upon which the battle is fought. Because most people can read and also because we all have many translation tools available to us, including the ability to examine the original languages and search out the meaning of the words used-- there is actually very little disagreement on the question of what the text says. Right? I mean, ten people should be able to read a passage of scripture and 10/10 can agree on what it says. That's rarely the issue.

On the question of what it means-- that's the hill folks die on. They will argue that black is white until they are blue in the face-- because they choose to believe something they were taught in that regard, or because of some idea they came up with on their own that completely denies what the text clearly states. You see it all the time. Folks agree on what it says-- they just don't believe or accept what it says and they trade what it says for what they think it must mean. Another slippery slope on this same hill has people pounding a stake in the ground on something the stake says while ignoring the meaning of what it says. They accept what it says, but they misinterpret what it means and by doing so they actually miss what it says in the process. They believe what it says, but they don't understand what it says, so they apply their own understanding to what it says. "Lean not" the proverb advises.

To me,  false teaching goes against the words of God, written for our growth & perfecting. I am seeing much " error" in teachings that we have learned from many sources as we grow from childhood onwards.

If someone is "going against" what the text directly says-- that's a problem for sure. I could give examples where everyone on this forum would do that. The text would say something and every single person here would say-- 'that's not what it means.' And I'd say- 'But that's what it says' and they would stomp their feet and say- 'But but but.... it doesn't apply' or 'What it says doesn't mean what it says.'

It's really that awful. How can it be, or how did it get that bad? I think you nail again when you point out that the errors come from bad teaching. They've been told that -it can't mean what it says- and so they go with that idea.... denying the very words of scripture they think they hold so dearly to. Rather than challenge their own thinking that clearly disagrees with the text, they will vehemently oppose any idea that actually agrees with the text, because they've already predetermined that the text MUST be wrong. It's the saddest thing. They'd rather die on that hill themselves and ignore the one who planted his stake in the ground and died on it for the misunderstandings of all.

 

[David in NJ]

Good thread. And you hit the target by differentiating above-- what it says versus what it means. That is the hill upon which the battle is fought. Because most people can read and also because we all have many translation tools available to us, including the ability to examine the original languages and search out the meaning of the words used-- there is actually very little disagreement on the question of what the text says. Right? I mean, ten people should be able to read a passage of scripture and 10/10 can agree on what it says. That's rarely the issue.

On the question of what it means-- that's the hill folks die on. They will argue that black is white until they are blue in the face-- because they choose to believe something they were taught in that regard, or because of some idea they came up with on their own that completely denies what the text clearly states. You see it all the time. Folks agree on what it says-- they just don't believe or accept what it says and they trade what it says for what they think it must mean. Another slippery slope on this same hill has people pounding a stake in the ground on something the stake says while ignoring the meaning of what it says. They accept what it says, but they misinterpret what it means and by doing so they actually miss what it says in the process. They believe what it says, but they don't understand what it says, so they apply their own understanding to what it says. "Lean not" the proverb advises.




If someone is "going against" what the text directly says-- that's a problem for sure. I could give examples where everyone on this forum would do that. The text would say something and every single person here would say-- 'that's not what it means.' And I'd say- 'But that's what it says' and they would stomp their feet and say- 'But but but.... it doesn't apply' or 'What it says doesn't mean what it says.'

It's really that awful. How can it be, or how did it get that bad? I think you nail again when you point out that the errors come from bad teaching. They've been told that -it can't mean what it says- and so they go with that idea.... denying the very words of scripture they think they hold so dearly to. Rather than challenge their own thinking that clearly disagrees with the text, they will vehemently oppose any idea that actually agrees with the text, because they've already predetermined that the text MUST be wrong. It's the saddest thing. They'd rather die on that hill themselves and ignore the one who planted his stake in the ground and died on it for the misunderstandings of all.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Did JESUS say what HE meant or other?

 

[Mr E]

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Did JESUS say what HE meant or other?

Good example.

 

[David in NJ]

Good example.

i believe that your explanation given in Post #110 was spot on and covered all the angles.

Now, if we yield ourselves unto the LORD/Holy Spirit by application and embrace whatever the outcome it brings us to, then much of the 'debates' would fade away as the Day would become brighter and more peaceful in our hearts.

 

[David in NJ]

Truly in Ecclesiastes, Solomon describes the ways of the flesh, the vain ways in which a carnal man walks and the apparent lack of purpose in that walk. At the end of the book, however, he writes this:

Ec 12:13	Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ec 12:14	For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil

Those people living before the sacrifice of Jesus was implemented on Calvary and before the Holy Spirit was poured out that day of Pentecost [Acts 2] had less given to them, but Jesus speaks of that difference here:

Lu 12:48

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

If we now have more from God than those who went before Jesus and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, then does not God require more from us?

"much is given"... much [is] required"

That passage scares me - please pray for your lowly brother David that the LORD would complete His work in me by granting Grace and Boldness in the Holy Spirit with the help/assistance that i need so that i am not the one hindering.

 

[amadeus]

That passage scares me - please pray for your lowly brother David that the LORD would complete His work in me by granting Grace and Boldness in the Holy Spirit with the help/assistance that i need so that i am not the one hindering.

Don't be afraid! Trust always in the One who can do what man cannot:

Mr 10:26	And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
Mr 10:27	And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

If the Holy Spirit is in us and we are not quenching the Spirit in us more than we are yielding to the Spirit, what is impossible for God? Do not block Him! Stay on His side and will He not win each and every battle to the end of our walk with Him?

 

[David in NJ]

Don't be afraid! Trust always in the One who can do what man cannot:

Mr 10:26	And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
Mr 10:27	And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

If the Holy Spirit is in us and we are not quenching the Spirit in us more than we are yielding to the Spirit, what is impossible for God? Do not block Him! Stay on His side and will He not win each and every battle to the end of our walk with Him?

@amadeus @amigo de christo @Keturah @Christophany @ewq1938 @Johann @dev553344 @Michiah-Imla

Please pray as i am heading to the Emergency Room right now since my right leg is swelling.

My father died from A pulmonary embolism due to swelling in his leg.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@amadeus @amigo de christo @Keturah @Christophany @ewq1938 @Johann

Please pray as i am heading to the Emergency Room right now since my right leg is swelling.

My father died from A pulmonary embolism due to swelling in his leg.

Praying for the best outcome.

 

[ChristisGod]

@amadeus @amigo de christo @Keturah @Christophany @ewq1938 @Johann

Please pray as i am heading to the Emergency Room right now since my right leg is swelling.

My father died from A pulmonary embolism due to swelling in his leg.

praying now

 

[Keturah]

@amadeus @amigo de christo @Keturah @Christophany @ewq1938 @Johann

Please pray as i am heading to the Emergency Room right now since my right leg is swelling.

My father died from A pulmonary embolism due to swelling in his leg.

Lifting you up!
I have had PE & DVT......hang tight, God's got this!

 

[MatthewG]

@Mr E, there are surely different ways people take things, like if a person is a biblical literalist and takes everything to be literal, they may even literally gouge their eye out, or actually cut off their hand, because Jesus said so. So there is a difference between being completely literal, and thinking about spiritual principles.


May you rest in Christ, and may the doctors be able to do something for you @David in NJ, let us know how you are.