Is the story of Adam & Eve a parable?

[face2face]

Behind all of these theories, is a hidden agenda to discredit the bible and remove God from every educational institution. You can't successfully deceive a believer, into accepting the sciences which contradict creation and Gods order of things.

You & Aunty Jane use science every day and its laughable how Christians poo poo science as though its some conspiracy and weapon of a supernatural arch enemy of God.

It's a naive view, uninformed and self decieved.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Well, we have Genesis 3:20.
“The mother of everyone living” sorta narrows it down!

Why the confidence?

"Adam called his wife's name Eve" Genesis 3:20 Now Eve signifies "Life" or "Living." On what basis could Adam give this name to Eve? @TheHC @Keiw @Aunty Jane @Mark51 What happened in Genesis 3 which gave Adam the confidence to name Eve - Life or Living? Is there an element of hope...

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Give it a go HC!

I find it ironic you make such a reply without understanding what you are saying.

If Eve relates to Life - how did Jehovah God respond to Adam naming Eve "Life"

Wow so much for you to unpack there!

Looking forward to your response

F2F

 

[TheHC]

Yet, the people of all nations are the descendant of Adam and Eve.

Now this I’ll accept, since Genesis 3:20 supports this view.

 

[TheHC]

Give it a go HC!

I find it ironic you make such a reply without understanding what you are saying.

Stop trolling me.

I guess you think Eve was just hallucinating. LOL!

You’ve got the audacity to say I don’t understand what I’m “saying”? Rich! That’s quite arrogant.

You will be ignored, now.

I see why @Aunty Jane and others aren’t responding to you anymore.

 

[face2face]

Stop trolling me.

I guess you think Eve was just hallucinating. LOL!

You’ve got the audacity to say I don’t understand what I’m “saying”? Rich! That’s quite arrogant.

HC, you made a comment you can't substantiate and then you get easily offended when called out for it.

You will be ignored, now.

I see why @Aunty Jane and others aren’t responding to you anymore.

I knew this is where you would end up HC, as with the other JW's in this forum.

I will continue to focus the truth against your error, so whether you respond, or not, the evidence against your position will be here for all to see.

So much more to come on this subject.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Now this I’ll accept, since Genesis 3:20 supports this view.

It matters not what "you" are willing to accept HC - who do you think you are? The Word is the authority not you!

And you speak of audacity to me?

F2F

 

[face2face]

So why the tension in the forum at the moment between F2F and the JW's.

The JW's wrongly judge A&E as being un-savable because the wrongly believe A&E were perfect beings (like the Angels) though they cannot describe their nature (when asked), which Paul describes as earthy, made of dust.

In most cases, I am not anti JW's or their teaching, and many of you would know I defend them from time to time.

So what is the issue?

They claim Acts 1:7,8 they are Jehovah's Witnesses “You Will Be Witnesses of Me” though they misrepresent their Jehovah God in Genesis 3 stating God to be an unmerciful God who dealt harshly with the A&E.

Their story of the Bible begins with error and this has been thoroughly proven in a number of threads, some of which are still going.

If they are wrong on A&E (which they are), how does that affect their belonging to the JW's? If all of Genesis 3 is unknown to them what gives them the authourity to be His Witnesses? What else are they wrong on?

Also, how inside their community how do they deal with the reality they hold false teaching in relation to A&E? What is Keiw or TheHC finally came to their senses on this subject, where do they go?

How terrible a doctrine is it?

The moment sin enters into the World, God utterly condemns and forsakes his first pair!

Anyone reading this must understand the severity of this false teaching concerning the blashermous statement held against God and His Character.

This is less about correcting JW's and more about upholding the Mericiful Character of God something JW's are yet to acknowledge

F2F

 

[TheHC]

HC, you made a comment you can't substantiate and then you get easily offended when called out for it.

I knew this is where you would end up HC, as with the other JW's in this forum.

I will continue to focus the truth against your error, so whether you respond, or not, the evidence against your position will be here for all to see.

So much more to come on this subject.

F2F

What I focus on, is the Scriptural support for what i believe.
You present no other Scriptures to reinforce your conclusions; yours is based on nothing but faulty reasoning ….

You ignored my question: was Eve hallucinating, when she saw the serpent? (Apparently you think so, since you claim these misleading questions & thinking emanated from within herself. 46 chromosomes, = 46 words? Please.)
Jesus clearly identified who the first liar was @ John 8:44, saying “he did not stand fast in the truth”. Do you have any idea what that tells us?

Then, @ Revelation 12:9, John calls the Devil “the Original Serpent.” Again ID’ing Satan as the serpent in Eden.

What Scriptures have you applied to your view? I have not seen any.

And we know what Scripture says about going beyond what is written.

Doesn’t seem to stop you, though!

Now, in desperation, you’ll probably call me a liar, for not ignoring you like I said I would.

You’ll attack & twist anything. It reminds me of someone else on here.

 

[face2face]

What I focus on, is the Scriptural support for what i believe.

You present no other Scriptures to reinforce your conclusions; yours is based on nothing but faulty reasoning ….

You have failed to even speak to the record. You make ridiculous claims without any evidence at all!

You and Keiw say Genesis 3:15 is talking to the 144,000 and Revelation 12 and the pregnant woman (this is false teaching)

You ignored my question: was Eve hallucinating, when she saw the serpent? (Apparently you think so, since you claim these misleading questions & thinking emanated from within herself. 46 chromosomes, = 46 words? Please.)

For starters, I didnt write anything about 46 chromosomes, = 46 words? Are you alright HC?

Jesus clearly identified who the first liar was @ John 8:44, saying “he did not stand fast in the truth”. Do you have any idea what that tells us?

Correct, it was the Serpent! But it appears you don't undestand the serpent either.

Not sure what this has to do with anything?

Then, @ Revelation 12:9, John calls the Devil “the Original Serpent.” Again ID’ing Satan as the serpent in Eden.

You think you understand that highly symbolic chapter in Revelation? You don't understand Genesis 3, so what gives you the right to go to Revelation?

If you cannot show a correct understanding from Genesis 3, why would I follow you to Revelation 12?

What Scriptures have you applied to your view? I have not seen any.

This is just lies HC - there is an entire thread given to Genesis 3, if fact right now there is three threads on this subject.

And we know what Scripture says about going beyond what is written.

Doesn’t seem to stop you, though!

Right, and now you result in insults and it's okay for you?

Now, in desperation, you’ll probably call me a liar, for not ignoring you like I said I would.

No, your lies are held elsewhere for the moment!

You’ll attack & twist anything. It reminds me of someone else on here.

Go back to the thread and deal with God's righteous treatment of A&E and His Mercy upon them.

- The naming of Eve (purpose)
- The forsaking of their own covering
- The learning of sacrifice and the covering of their sin (in type)
- The teaching of how God deals with sin and the teaching of this to their children
- The Blessing of a son in Seth, Eve's understanding and Gods purpose

The list goes on...and on

I'll meet you there for whatever you bring

F2F

 

[TheHC]

They claim Acts 1:7,8 they are Jehovah's Witnesses “You Will Be Witnesses of Me”

Boy, aren’t you trying to be slick!

We don’t use that Scripture, to explain where we get our name. Jesus said that, not Jehovah. You didn’t know that? You did…..

For those who’d like to know…
The name Jehovah’s Witnesses derives from Isaiah 43:10-12.

I would suggest, if you have questions regarding F2F’s JW-related statements, that you go to www.JW.org to find correct answers. Not the biased, hate-filled rhetoric of this poster.

F2F, you remind me of Tobias, who tried to disrupt the Israelites, slyly claiming to be “a friend”.

 

[face2face]

Boy, aren’t you trying to be slick!

We don’t use that Scripture, to explain where we get our name. Jesus said that, not Jehovah. You didn’t know that? You did…..

For those who’d like to know…
The name Jehovah’s Witnesses derives from Isaiah 43:10-12.

I would suggest, if you have questions regarding F2F’s JW-related statements, that you go to www.JW.org to find correct answers. Not the biased, hate-filled rhetoric of this poster.

F2F, you remind me of Tobias, who tried to disrupt the Israelites, slyly claiming to be “a friend”.

I could show you how JW's use Acts 1:7,8, but that would only show your above comments for what it truely is.

I will wait for you to have something constructive to say in this discussion of A&E.

I'm sure the forum members have their own views on this terrible JW doctrine and it's noted you have ceased from defending it.

I'll say it again...move to the other threads and deal with the evidence

F2F

 

[face2face]

Boy, aren’t you trying to be slick!

Once again HC move your distracting comments to constructive ones in the thread which has asked you to prove God condemned A&E to everlasting death.

And don't run to a pregnant women! Deal with all the lessons you are shown in Genesis 3 otherwise be honest and say you don't know, you are preaching the party line and you havent studied this for yourself.

Just be honest!

F2F

 

[face2face]

@TheHC The running from this is bringing your credibility into question:

- The forsaking of their own covering - exposing their shame! Repentance etc
- The learning of sacrifice and the covering of their sin (in type) Leviticus 17
- The teaching of how God deals with sin and A&E teaching of this to their children
- The worship before the Lord by the whole family! (Cain & Abel)
- The Blessing of a son in Seth, Eve's understanding and Gods purpose - she names him "appointed"
- The naming of Eve (purpose) - God blesses Eve and she acknowledges it as a blessing Gen 4:25-26

Do you know how much of this you have dealt with?

Nothing...not a thing!

You don't want to touch the story... to do so will lead you to a difficult truth

F2F

 

[face2face]

And as I've said, and will say it again, if Jehovahs Witnesses hold error on the third chapter in the Bible, then how are they witnessing? What are they witnessing?

 

[TheHC]

Hello Wrangler.

You keep posting it, but don’t seem to realize it’s importance….

….God commanded…

….God commanded…

…God commanded…

Yes, He did back then.

But what does God command - present tense - today for Christians??

Follow & obey Jesus.
—John 15:12,14,17-19.

Yes, it’s this very topic that spawns much of the world’s hatred during conflicts; but it’s also the ID’ing mark of Jesus’ genuine followers. — John 13:34,35.

And this results in Jehovah God’s blessing of unity & peace.

Take care, my cousin.

 

[face2face]

Your funny emoticons further add to the weight of accountability in this discussion.

Keiw , Aunty, Mark51 and yourself are the only ones who need to show integrity on this issue

By condemning A&E you have removed yourself from all the lessons Jehovah God is teaching you...it's error and it leads you to more errors.

If the evidence is too overwhelming, break it down and deal with a small section of Scripture.

Did God bless Eve with Seth?

And Adam had marital relations with his wife again, and she gave birth to a son. She named him Seth, saying, “God has given
me another child in place of Abel because Cain killed him.
Ge 4:25.

That's a simple question?
Was she wrong to name him appointed (meaning to grant)?
Was she wrong to think God revealing His purpose to her was a blessing?
If condemned as you say, why would God do this? What would it say about your God?

F2F

 

[Christian Soldier]

You & Aunty Jane use science every day and its laughable how Christians poo poo science as though its some conspiracy and weapon of a supernatural arch enemy of God.

It's a naive view, uninformed and self decieved.

F2F

Yes I will always poo poo secular science, because it has no answers for the questions my 4 year old nephew asks. Such as 1. Who am I, 2. Where did I come from, 3. Why am I here and 4. Where am I going.

You might be impressed by those who took 6000 years to discover electricity, but to me that just shows how retarded they are, to take so long trying every experiment till they finally stumbled upon some of Gods order. God created science, He is the only true Scientist, men are super retarded so we have to learn everything by trial and error, and you are in awe of these pathetic puny minded creatures. They say small things amuse small minds and you're living proof that the saying is true.

You heroes, haven't even found a cure for the common clod so you can bow down to them but I will continue to poo [poo them forever.

 

[face2face]

Yes I will always poo poo secular science, because it has no answers for the questions my 4 year old nephew asks. Such as 1. Who am I, 2. Where did I come from, 3. Why am I here and 4. Where am I going.

Do you think science should be able to answer those questions?

You might be impressed by those who took 6000 years to discover electricity, but to me that just shows how retarded they are, to take so long trying every experiment till they finally stumbled upon some of Gods order. God created science, He is the only true Scientist, men are super retarded so we have to learn everything by trial and error, and you are in awe of these pathetic puny minded creatures. They say small things amuse small minds and you are living proof that the saying is true.

You heroes, haven't even found a cure for the common clod so you can bow down to them but I will continue to poo [poo them forever.

It's not an impressive spirit you are showing here and it's one which will hamper your preaching and teaching in the age of enlightenment.

You should take care, though I doubt you will.

As Paul rightly said:

Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

I've seen a lot of damage with this anti science spirit. It's possilbe a maturity thing something you will learn in time.

It's a gentle rebuke really.

Enjoy

F2F

 

[Wrangler]

Yes, He did back then.

But what does God command - present tense - today for Christians??

Follow & obey Jesus.
—John 15:12,14,17-19.

That's really beside the point. It's true that God rested on the Sabbath day even if now people worship on Sunday.

 

[Taken]

Is the story of Adam & Eve a parable?

A “story” by definition is a “parable”.

A “parable” simply indicates a worthy life lesson within the story.

The KEY…is WHO is speaking OR approving the “story/parable”…..that every word of the story/parable IS TRUE or FALSE?

Every parable in Scripture spoken directly by the Lord…is out of the mouth of the Lord, who CAN NOT LIE…thus ever word of His Parables ARE TRUE.

Every parable spoken by men INDIRECTLY, by the inspiration and authority of Gods approval, IS TRUE… thus every word of the Parable approved by God, IS TRUE.

From Adam, to Noah, to Shem, to Moses….
(Following a direct linage)….
* Historical early Men routinely bodily lived hundreds of years…
* Routinely Family History and Prominent Events and Clansmen Traditions…
* were ORALLY passed down from the Elders to the Younger’s….generation after generation.
* Moses was the FIRST, God DIRECTED TO WRITE his memories (family history prominent events, clansmen traditions)…
* which Direction from God, for Moses to WRITE…began at the time, of ISRAEL’S (clansmen)…release from Egyptian’s bondage (slavery).

* Writing was begun…Teaching the children Orally continued…Making Copies of the Writings were made, distributed among the Clans / tribes called ISRAEL….
Oral, Reading, Copying writings, Distribution of the Copy’s …. All Continue….expanded to multiple languages…expanded to distribute to Gentiles.

* Note… Paper disintegrates …. Ink fades…
Gods TRUTH Continues Forever…

* Note… A man “IN” Christ has been GIFTED Gods Truth IN his “new” circumcised Heart.

Glory to God,
Taken