Is the story of Adam & Eve a parable?
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No, I'm asking you why the NT's buying into the truth of the Adam and Eve story tells us anything more than that the truth of the story was well accepted 2,000 years ago. Nobody doubts that the NT authors, largely Jews, bought into it. We know a little more today than they did. Or than Milton did.
Jesus said it. I believe it. Don't you?
1 Timothy 2:13-14
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
Actually, Paul said it. Not Jesus. But I digress. I believe Paul was using the same parabolic story then in vogue to make his own point to Timothy.
Paul got his doctrines straight from Jesus.
Sounds like JW doctrine, parabolic! IOW you made it up.
And you think the A&E story was one of those "got-it-from-Jesus" doctrines that Paul preached, rather than something Paul was taught and raised believing decades before bring thrown off his horse? Wow. You don't know much about Jewish history, do you?
So you DO doubt that Paul the Pharisee learned the A&E story before his conversion! I thought so! Is everything Paul writes in his letters, regardless of where he learned it, absolute truth in your view?
The Christian Bible is the written Word of God. Paul wrote more Books in the Bible than anyone! What are your credentials for attacking Paul? I think it's what Paul said about gays that upsets you so much.
I'm not attacking Paul. What Paul said doesn't upset me at all. I'm simply challenging your ridiculous hypothesis that everything he wrote was from Jesus, and not from other sources.
Sometimes Paul quotes other writers. Obviously those words aren't from Jesus!
So you deny that Jesus is God! See how the truth comes out!
Galatians 1:11-12
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
I don't deny that Jesus is God. (Where are you distilling that?)
The A&E story is not part of "the gospel" that Paul received through the revelation of Jesus Christ. It was part of the accepted Jewish lore of the times in which Paul was born, got instructed (both in Tarsus and at Gamaliel's feet in Jerusalem), and believed to be true before Paul ever heard the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Aunty Jane
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Let’s tackle these one at a time…..
1) ”The forsaking of their own covering - exposing their shame! Repentance etc”
There was not one word of repentance said in response to their sin. They knew what God said and they knew that in their perfect state, they had no sin nature to excuse what they chose to do in defiance of the explicit command of their Sovereign. God’s justice is pure, not altered by sentiment or crocodile tears. His mercy on occasion was extended to those who truly repented…..Adam and his wife did not repent and there was no basis to forgive them. The penalty was applied in God’s due time.
2) “The learning of sacrifice and the covering of their sin (in type) Leviticus 17”
The law applied from the time it was given to Israel after their release from Egypt. Adam and his wife had no such law….the only law they knew was the one negative command concerning the TKGE. It caused them no hardship, but represented God’s right to set limits to the freedom of choice he gave them.
There was no sacrifice offered by Adam or his wife because there was no sacrifice that could be offered …..perfect beings do not make mistakes…they make deliberate choices. Imperfect humans make errors in judgment because of the sin that invades their nature….Christ died for them, not the parents who plunged them into this life through no fault on their part.
3) “The teaching of how God deals with sin and A&E teaching of this to their children”
It has to be acknowledged that the only righteous person in existence was the second son born to them. He was the first one mentioned to offer a sacrifice to God…his jealous brother killed him because of his own unrighteousness. So A&E were not wonderful parents, were they? Out of four existing individuals only one was righteous and he was killed because of it. How did God deal with Cain at a time when humans were in short supply, and the earth was to be populated with their children?
4) “The worship before the Lord by the whole family! (Cain & Abel)”
Well, this one made me smile. What worship are we talking about? Abel was the only one in the “family” who actually loved his God enough to worship in in truth….the only one who offered to God the very best that he had…Cain’s offering was not on the same level which is why God pulled him up over his attitude.
5) “The Blessing of a son in Seth, Eve's understanding and Gods purpose - she names him "appointed"
The genealogy of humankind had to come from Seth, as we see in Luke’s account…(ch 4)
37 son of Me·thuʹse·lah,
son of Eʹnoch,
son of Jaʹred,
son of Ma·haʹla·le·el,
son of Ca·iʹnan,
38 son of Eʹnosh,
son of Seth,
son of Adam,
son of God.”
The third son of Adam and Eve was born when Adam was 130 years old. Eve named him Seth because, as she said, “God has appointed another seed in place of Abel, because Cain killed him.” Seth may not have been the third child of Adam and Eve. According to Genesis 5:4, Adam had “sons and daughters,” some daughters (unnamed) may have been born before Seth. Seth is worthy of note because Noah, and through him the present-day race of mankind, descended from him, not from the murderous Cain.
6) “The naming of Eve (purpose) - God blesses Eve and she acknowledges it as a blessing Gen 4:25-26”
As noted above, God’s purpose could only be carried out if the earth was populated as he instructed. From among these ones God would choose those with a complete heart to serve his interests here on earth so that his Messiah would arrive on time and in the correct lineage so that he had all the identification he needed to present himself as Messiah.
I’m sorry that your own erroneous thinking has led you astray in your interpretation of scripture….on every point you have twisted everything all out of shape to introduce your own “gospel” and in doing so I believe that you have created your very own religion, with beliefs that I am sure you share with very few.…..it is invalid and the scriptures show you up as the charlatan. If you have no global brotherhood who shares your views, you cannot be a Christian, let alone teach others what is clearly not true, except in your own mind.
Back to ignoring you….
That descent is tough for me to believe. The present day human race is too biologically and racially diverse to descend from Noah in the time allotted by the Torah.
The story of Adam and Eve in Genesis is not presented as a parable but rather as a historical account within the biblical narrative. Parables are short stories used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, often found in the teachings of Jesus (e.g., Matthew 13). The Genesis account of Adam and Eve, including their creation, fall, and the consequences of sin, is foundational in explaining humanity's origins and relationship with God (Genesis 2–3). The New Testament references this account as literal (e.g., Romans 5:12-19, 1 Corinthians 15:22).
Christian Soldier
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I think the secular scientists should be able to answer the simple questions of an infant child, but the sad reality is they don't have any answers to anything at all. All they have to offer are impossible theories.
Paul didn't sell his soul to win friends & influence people, he was sensitive towards religious people and those who were steeped in cultural traditions but he never compromised on the truth of the gospel. He never accepted the theory of Evolution or the Big Bang theory, or anything else which undermined any bible doctrine.
Secular Scientists have never given me any reason to respect them, they are no wiser than a street sweeper.
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