Is The Sheep/Goat Judgement Used, To Enter A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth?

[GISMYS_7]

Still no proof of a pre-trib rapture, pure speculation and assumptions not seen in scripture

Those that reject the rapture will not be caught up!!! Their choice.

 

[Christ4Me]

Still no proof of a pre-trib rapture, pure speculation and assumptions not seen in scripture

Explain that to me.

If the church does not repent, they will be cast into the bed of the great tribulation to be killed with death in according to their works.

Now what happens if they do repent?

They will not be cast into the great tribulation to be killed with death because they have repented of those works of iniquity.

That means they are not in that bed of the great tribulation that all the world is in. So where are they? Not on earth.

 

[Christ4Me]

Those that reject the rapture will not be caught up!!! Their choice.

Not sure about that since the rapture is hid in scripture to many believers today just as what makes up the whole of the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

It seems odd that many believers do not see Jesus is warning saved believers to be ready or else ( Luke 12:40-49 & John 15:1-8 ) because they will be judged when the Bridegroom comes as judgment must come to the House of God first and then after the great tribulation, He judges the world as the King of kings to establish His 1000 year reign on earth.

If they are abiding in Him and His words, and not over charged like by commitments & promises and thus ensnared by the cares of this life, they can very well be taken. Those under man made bondages can ask Jesus to forgive them and set them free and help to leave their lives behind.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Hebrews 9:28 tells us who Jesus is returning for.
Hebrews 9:28, NASB: "so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin,""" to those who eagerly await Him."""

 

[Christ4Me]

Hebrews 9:28 tells us who Jesus is returning for.
Hebrews 9:28, NASB: "so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin,""" to those who eagerly await Him."""

Scipture testifies to those seeking the rapture but will find they are unable to enter in.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

See that bold underlined portions of scripture. The iniquity is by the direction they took in coming to God the Father by.

I believe the ecumenical modified creed of 381 A.D. broadened the way by including the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son as that is the work if iniquity that the Bridegroom can judge believers by for doing that.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

So when they come to the Father by worshiping the Trinity or sometimes it is just the Holy Spirit in honoring Him in worship, they are not honoring the Father by His will of only honoring the Son in worship in coming to the Father by. There is no other way to approach God the Father by.

What happens when focus is shifted away from the Son to the Spirit? By that work of iniquity, God will permit strong delusion to occurs as "thieves" will break in and seduce wayward believers into chasing after them to receive what they believe is the holy Spirit for a sign. Miracles can happen for why in those miraculous events, believers lose self control and fall backwards like "slain in the spirit", "holy laughter movement" or having another baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation thus one of confusion also which God is not the author of.

Not that these phenomenon will always happen, but it is why it is happening across the denominations.

Believers and churches need to depart from that iniquity by striving to enter through that straight gate in worship, prayer, and fellowship in coming to God the Father by for anything or risk being left behind at the rapture event for taking a different route in coming to God the Father by.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Jesus returns and catches up(raptures) born-again believers that are looking for Him. Those not looking for the return of Jesus will be left behind and must try to live under ant-Christ rule.

Hebrews 9:28 "so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, """to those who eagerly await Him."""

 

[Truth7t7]

Explain that to me.

If the church does not repent, they will be cast into the bed of the great tribulation to be killed with death in according to their works.

Now what happens if they do repent?

They will not be cast into the great tribulation to be killed with death because they have repented of those works of iniquity.

That means they are not in that bed of the great tribulation that all the world is in. So where are they? Not on earth.

Your human reason in speculation and assumption, has absolutely nothing to do with the fact, a pre-trib rapture isn't found in scripture, nowhere

 

[Christ4Me]

Your human reason in speculation and assumption, has absolutely nothing to do with the fact, a pre-trib rapture isn't found in scripture, nowhere

When we do it with the Lord & His wisdom in reasoning together, then that is what I am referring to since it is on God to cause the increase I apologize for not stating that definitively in regards to that reasoning in that post.

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

That means you are not serving Him by dismissing scripture without rightly dividing the word of truth in that scriptures that was shown and discussed.

 

[Christ4Me]

Jesus returns and catches up(raptures) born-again believers that are looking for Him. Those not looking for the return of Jesus will be left behind and must try to live under ant-Christ rule.

Hebrews 9:28 "so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, """to those who eagerly await Him."""

Again in case you missed this;

Scipture testifies to those seeking the rapture but will find they are unable to enter in.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

See that bold underlined portions of scripture. The iniquity is by the direction they took in coming to God the Father by.

I believe the ecumenical modified creed of 381 A.D. broadened the way by including the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son as that is the work if iniquity that the Bridegroom can judge believers by for doing that.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

So when they come to the Father by worshiping the Trinity or sometimes it is just the Holy Spirit in honoring Him in worship, they are not honoring the Father by His will of only honoring the Son in worship in coming to the Father by. There is no other way to approach God the Father by.

What happens when focus is shifted away from the Son to the Spirit? By that work of iniquity, God will permit strong delusion to occurs as "thieves" will break in and seduce wayward believers into chasing after them to receive what they believe is the holy Spirit for a sign. Miracles can happen for why in those miraculous events, believers lose self control and fall backwards like "slain in the spirit", "holy laughter movement" or having another baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation thus one of confusion also which God is not the author of.

Not that these phenomenon will always happen, but it is why it is happening across the denominations.

Believers and churches need to depart from that iniquity by striving to enter through that straight gate in worship, prayer, and fellowship in coming to God the Father by for anything or risk being left behind at the rapture event for taking a different route in coming to God the Father by.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Think!! What thinking person believes that God's judgment against this evil world (the great tribulation) is for His bride the true church???Think again.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 NKJV For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 19:6-8 NKJV Jesus said we should watch and pray to be counted worth to escape the soon coming evil times. “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

 

[Truth7t7]

When we do it with the Lord & His wisdom in reasoning together, then that is what I am referring to since it is on God to cause the increase I apologize for not stating that definitively in regards to that reasoning in that post.

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

That means you are not serving Him by dismissing scripture without rightly dividing the word of truth in that scriptures that was shown and discussed.

Once again no provision of scripture, showing a pre-trib rapture, because there isnt any

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Your claim the sheep/goats is a judgement to enter a Millennial kingdom is false, verse Matthew 25:46 shows eternal last day judgement to eternal life, and that's not in a Millennium on earth

Well it is correct as jesus spoke and inspired the words. To you who feel the need to reinterpret Scripture, you see it as false. But teh fact there is a kingdom on earth is so well established in Scripture as to make those who deny it truly sad! The fact that it lasts for 1,000 years is also established.

Teh great white throne judgment happens after Satan is released from the abyss where he had been for 1,000 years and gathers people for one last rebellion. The heaven and earth pass away and teh great white throne judgment happens! No one living will be lost then, only those raised from teh dead!

 

[Christ4Me]

Think!! What thinking person believes that God's judgment against this evil world (the great tribulation) is for His bride the true church???Think again.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 NKJV For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 19:6-8 NKJV Jesus said we should watch and pray to be counted worth to escape the soon coming evil times. “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

If they ae not abiding in Him & His words, and are in iniquity, then wrath will come. As the church is to excommunicate the unrepentant believer, to not even eat with them, so will God do at the rapture event.

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Those excommunicated will be left behind for when the beast wages war on the saints to kill them with the sword and hunger.

6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

The glory of the Lord & His work in us in Heaven at the Marriage Supper will be good.

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

The Marriage Supper will be held in sincerity and in truth as no unrepentant saved believer will be eating with the raptured saints.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

So that is why Jesus is warning believers to be ready or else, because the Father will remove the offense off of that foundation laid by Jesus Christ if they get left behind.

 

[Christ4Me]

Once again no provision of scripture, showing a pre-trib rapture, because there isnt any

Jesus Is The Lord

Prove by scripture there isn't.

 

[Truth7t7]

Prove by scripture there isn't.

Scripture clearly teaches the church will be present on earth to be eyewitnesses of the (Man Of Sin/The Antichrist) being revealed, just one proof of many, that there wont be a pre-trib rapture

"Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means"

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 KJV
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

 

[Christ4Me]

Scripture clearly teaches the church will be present on earth to be eyewitnesses of the (Man Of Sin/The Antichrist) being revealed, just one proof of many, that there wont be a pre-trib rapture

"Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means"

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 KJV
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Okay. I understand your point of view. I do not agree with it, but I'll let you explain your belief to me, God be willing.

How do you apply verse 3 about the falling away from the faith that is to happen first, before that man of sin is revealed? What does that mean?

 

[Truth7t7]

"Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means"

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 KJV
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Okay. I understand your point of view. I do not agree with it, but I'll let you explain your belief to me, God be willing.

How do you apply verse 3 about the falling away from the faith that is to happen first, before that man of sin is revealed? What does that mean?

It is the "Apostasy" of a once professing Church and the Greek word is "Apostasia"

No "Falling Away" dosent mean the Church is taken to heaven in a pre-trib rapture

Strong’s Definitions
ἀποστασία apostasía, ap-os-tas-ee'-ah; feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"):—falling away, forsake.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 2x
The KJV translates Strong's G646 in the following manner: to forsake (with G575) (1x), falling away (1x).

 

[Earburner]

^^^^ "Is The Sheep/Goat Judgement Used, To Enter A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth?"

The short answer is, "NO." The long answer is that it occurs after the initial separation of one flock from the other based on whether or not the flock calls Jesus/God "Lord." The separated flock that does not call Jesus/God lord are immediately dispatched into the lake of fire.

The flock that calls Jesus/God, "Lord," are then separated into those that are God's "sheep," and those that are "goats." (Ezekiel 34:17: - 'And as for you, O My flock, thus says the Lord God: "Behold, I shall judge between sheep and sheep, between rams and goats." )

Jesus tells us in the Parable of the separation of the Sheep from the Goats, that He will separate those who call Jesus/God, "Lord," into those whose heart is likened unto God's heart for the disadvantaged among them, i.e. the sheep, and those whose heart is likened to a Grecian understanding of what is required to be judged as "righteous," i.e. the goats.

This parable clarifies what Jesus meant in in thee passages: -

Matt 7:21-27: - I Never Knew You​

(Luke 6:46; 13:26,27)

21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Build on the Rock
(Luke 6:47-49)

24 "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.

26 "But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall."

Luke 13:22-30: - 22 And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?"

And He said to them, 24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open for us,' and He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know you, where you are from,' 26 then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.' 27 But He will say, 'I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.' 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. 29 They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And indeed there are last who will be first, and there are first who will be last."

Luke 6:46-49: - Build on the Rock
(Matt 7:21-27)

46 "But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great." ​

Shalom

Actually, it's even more simple than that.
Romans 8:8-9 explains it quite clearly.
Furthermore, for visible detail, we won't be literally seeing God Himself or the holy angels doing the separating, because it will come by way of satan's own hand, with his global manifestation of the "MoB". Again- Romans 8:9 reveals how one is determined to be not of the wheat.

Check it out in
Matt.13[30] Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:
but gather the wheat into my barn, aka Heavenly Jerusalem.

 

[Christ4Me]

It is the "Apostasy" of a once professing Church and the Greek word is "Apostasia"

No "Falling Away" dosent mean the Church is taken to heaven in a pre-trib rapture

Strong’s Definitions
ἀποστασία apostasía, ap-os-tas-ee'-ah; feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"):—falling away, forsake.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 2x
The KJV translates Strong's G646 in the following manner: to forsake (with G575) (1x), falling away (1x).

For clarity, I was not referring to the falling away as the rapture event but the falling away is the reason why God is judging His House at the rapture event. I believe that is why the dispensation of the gospel will go back to the Jews, the 144,000 Witnesses, after the rapture, for the duration of the coming great tribulation.

Anyway, getting back to your belief; I removed the boldening in verse 1. Sorry if that confused the earlier question about verse 3 to verse 1.

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

How do you apply verse 3 about the falling away from the faith that is to happen first, before that man of sin is revealed? What does that mean to you?

 

[Truth7t7]

For clarity, I was not referring to the falling away as the rapture event but the falling away is the reason why God is judging His House at the rapture event. I believe that is why the dispensation of the gospel will go back to the Jews, the 144,000 Witnesses, after the rapture, for the duration of the coming great tribulation.

Anyway, getting back to your belief; I removed the boldening in verse 1. Sorry if that confused the earlier question about verse 3 to verse 1.

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

How do you apply verse 3 about the falling away from the faith that is to happen first, before that man of sin is revealed? What does that mean to you?

I will repost my answer again to your question in bold red

It is the "Apostasy" of a once professing Church and the Greek word is "Apostasia"

No "Falling Away" dosent mean the Church is taken to heaven in a pre-trib rapture

Strong’s Definitions
ἀποστασία apostasía, ap-os-tas-ee'-ah; feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"):—falling away, forsake.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 2x
The KJV translates Strong's G646 in the following manner: to forsake (with G575) (1x), falling away (1x).