IS THE REFORMED FAITH BIBLICAL?

[amigo de christo]

Who was predestined to conform to the image of his son?
Romans 8:29-30 New International Version (NIV) For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

to the image of WHO , of HIS SON .
Ritajanice , i have a real simple question for us all to ponder on today .
how come a lot of folks even within christendom
who holler even this reminder you just gave , yet sure seem to NOT BE CONFORMED TO HIS IMAGE .
I mean they sure seem to speak things CONTRARY TO HIM .
Just a friendly reminder . THE JESUS i know and love would never have said things
like all religoins serve the same God .
The JESUS i know and love would never have implied what path we follow , religoin we believe
does not matter , implying also its not necessary to even have BELIEVED ON HIM .
And if anyone here thinks this to be wrong , lets read the bible and SEE what JESUS himself says
concerning the matter . OH , thanks for the reminder also dear sister .

 

[St. SteVen]

None St. SteVen.

Is Reformed faith unbiblical?

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[amigo de christo]

Read the link from Sam Shamoun which I used on the UnOrthodox Forum.

Myth Busters: Allah is the Same as the God of the Bible

“O, swear not by the moon, the inconstant moon,
That monthly changes in her circled orb,
Lest that thy love prove likewise variable.”
– Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet

Differing Views of the Nature of the Deity
A God of Love Versus a God of Hate
Putting a Difference Between the Holy and Unholy
Traces of Pre-Islamic Paganism in Attitude and Practice
Allah as the Pre-Islamic Arabian High God
Ilah and the Sumerian Origins of Allah
Enter the Moon God
Bel, Baal, and Hubal
Dushara – Proto-Islamic Arabian High God
Hadad/Rimmon and the Islamic Rahman
What Does It All Mean?


One of the most common assertions that we hear when a comparison between Islam and the Judaeo-Christian tradition is made is that both conventions essentially worship the same God. Allah, it is said, is merely another name for Jehovah, the God of the Bible. Such statements are often made by those who are attempting to bring these disparate religions together in the spirit of ecumenism. Likewise, the claim is also made by Muslims who seek to assuage Christian and Jewish opposition to Islam, often as a prelude to dawah, extending an “invitation” to accept Islam that usually comes at the end of Muslim attempts at proselytism. The superficial characteristic of monotheism is emphasized, while the vast differences between God and Allah are ignored. Vast differences there are indeed. As will be shown below, the characteristics of Allah and the God of the Bible are quite different. Further, the origin of Allah will be seen from WITHIN the pagan system of the ancient Near East, not as an outsider and opponent of that system who nevertheless was sometimes treated syncretistically by compromising followers (as was the case with Jehovah in the Hebrew scriptures), but instead as one who was integrally important to pagan beliefs during the long process that eventually led to his monotheization.

Differing Views of the Nature of the Deity

There are many differences between the attributes of God and Allah. First, there is the attribute of knowability, the idea that human beings may know God and enjoy a personal relationship with the Creator. God, as He is revealed in the Bible, allows Himself to be known and fellowshipped with on a personal basis by those who have trusted in Him through His Son Jesus Christ. John 17:3 says, “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” The Bible presents God as a Being who intimately reveals Himself to man, and who encourages us to learn of Him and enter into ever closer fellowship with Him. The Bible presents a God who had a personal relationship with Abraham such that Abraham was called “The friend of God.” The God of the Bible wants for mankind to come to Him, be cleansed of their sins, and enjoy this close personal fellowship. “Draw nigh unto God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.” (James 4:8)

Myth Busters: Allah is the Same as the God of the Bible

“O, swear not by the moon, the inconstant moon,That monthly changes in her circled orb,Lest that thy love prove likewise variable.”- Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet Differing Views of the Nature of t…

answeringislamblog.wordpress.com

Read the rest.

J.

And now for a simple trivia question my friend .
Can a man LOVE GOD and yet reject CHRIST .
allow me to use JESUS words to the unbelieving jews .
HAD YOU LOVED GOD YOU WOULD HAVE LOVED ME .
in fact HE also says YOU HAVE NOT THE LOVE OF GOD IN YOU , for HE whom GOD did send you beleive not .
THAT JUST MULEKICKED the false concept that all religoins LOVE GOD or serve GOD in their own way .

 

[St. SteVen]

Correct, you can't show me anything from Scripture.

On the contrary.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

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[amigo de christo]

How often i have heard many try and say that all religoins have the love of GOD if they are simply
doing good .
BUT that aint what JESUS said to even the jews who did not BELIEVE HE WAS THE CHRIST .
HE said , YOU DO NOT HAVE THE LOVE OF GOD IN YOU , for HE WHOM GOD DID SEND , HIM you believe NOT .
So that just kicked the false intefaith all inclusive common ground pile of dung RIGHT TO THE HILLS . they LIE TO US .

 

[St. SteVen]

Again....
Christianity was decided upon with teachings 2,000 years ago.

Not today, not 500 years ago, 2,000 years ago.

There have always been differing opinions on doctrine.
The Reformed faith is no different.

The difference is that today (and at times in the past) believers are marginalized by other believers.
That is what you are doing here.

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[Marvelloustime]

How often i have heard many try and say that all religoins have the love of GOD if they are simply
doing good .
BUT that aint what JESUS said to even the jews who did not BELIEVE HE WAS THE CHRIST .
HE said , YOU DO NOT HAVE THE LOVE OF GOD IN YOU , for HE WHOM GOD DID SEND , HIM you believe NOT .
So that just kicked the false intefaith all inclusive common ground pile of dung RIGHT TO THE HILLS . they LIE TO US .

Brother @amigo de christo is spotted!

 

[amigo de christo]

You remind me of a Jew wailing at the wrong wall-make no mistake, I love the Jews and Israel.

You better get from your hiding place, step into the light and tell me in my face I'm wrong or willfully dishonor Jesus Christ in ANY of my posts online, on this Forum--you are not here to contribute to this thread.

And your verse you love so much, neglecting context Amigo-

The context of the instruction to "rebuke sharply" in Titus 1:13 arises within the broader theme of sound doctrine and church leadership. The Apostle Paul is writing to Titus to address issues within the Cretan church, which was facing challenges due to false teachers and disobedience among certain members.

Contextual Analysis:
False Teachers: In Titus 1:10-16, Paul identifies the presence of insubordinate individuals and false teachers in Crete, particularly those from the circumcision party. These individuals were promoting misleading doctrines that contradicted the teachings of Christ, leading others astray. Paul emphasizes the need for church leaders to uphold sound doctrine and refute these false teachings.

Authority of Church Leaders: The call to "rebuke sharply" is given in the context of establishing authority in church leadership. Paul instructs Titus to appoint elders who are able to teach sound doctrine and correct those who contradict it. This authority is crucial for maintaining the integrity of the faith community (Titus 1:5, 1:9).

Purpose of Rebuke: The sharp rebuke is meant not just for punishment but for the purpose of correction and restoration. Paul’s intention is to encourage repentance and to protect the church from the harmful effects of false teachings. By confronting these issues decisively, church leaders can help restore soundness in faith and conduct.

Related Verses:
2 Timothy 4:2: Paul exhorts Timothy to "preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching." This further highlights the importance of addressing false teachings while maintaining a focus on instructive correction.

Matthew 18:15-17: This passage outlines the process of confronting a brother or sister who sins against you, emphasizing a spirit of restoration while addressing sin. While it is primarily about personal disputes, the principles of confrontation apply to broader issues within the church.


The directive to "rebuke sharply" in Titus 1:13 reflects the need for decisive action against false teachings and a commitment to sound doctrine within the church. Paul emphasizes the importance of leadership that can both uphold the truth and confront errors effectively, aiming ultimately for the spiritual health of the community.

You are not in Crete and last time I've checked your name is not Titus, Paul or Timothy.

Step in line or stay on topic.

J.

By grace i do know this . it seems to me that perhaps it might be you Misunderstanding me .
You keep thinking i am attacking YOU or accusing you and yet i have told you
its not YOU and more than once i have told you its not you i am accusing .
Its why i often say IF WE LOVE them we correct them . And its also why
a false one will be identified and warned against on my watch .
Rather odd though that within many leaders today they seem to merge with the false ones , with other false leaders .
I SURE Dont see them rebuking them but rather saying lets not judge and lets find common ground .
These leaders lead this people right into A snare of death that leads to the second death .

 

[St. SteVen]

THERE IS A CORRECT ANSWER.

Right. Since you are in charge of "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view)
Your opinion is sovereign over all others. (doctrinal tyranny)

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[amigo de christo]

Right. Since you are in charge of "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view)
Your opinion is sovereign over all others. (doctrinal tyranny)

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Beware and be on gaurd and be diligent .
For many within the churches today would view BOTH JESUS the CHRIST and them apostels as DOCTRINAL TYRANTS .
not accusing you of this but i am just saying it cause its TRUE .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Beware and be on gaurd and be diligent .
For many within the churches today would view BOTH JESUS the CHRIST and them apostels as DOCTRINAL TYRANTS .
not accusing you of this but i am just saying it cause its TRUE .

 

[amigo de christo]

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HOMEWARD BOUND .
this short vapor life is but a pilgrimage as we journey to the celesital kingdom .
And no one knows the day of our depature or the DAY of OUR HOME GOING when the LORD COMETH
to take us HOME . man that day sounds like paradise . OH WAIT IT IS PARADISE .
And about the only thing i can add to this is ,
EVEN SO , EVEN SO COME LORD JESUS . what a glorious and wonderful home , prepared of CHRIST awaits the lambs .

 

[St. SteVen]

I don't TRASH any denomination...
I state and uphold that some are UNBIBLICAL.

Nonsense.

Just because you don't accept a doctrine doesn't make it unbiblical.

If a doctrine has biblical support, it is biblical. Period.
You can disagree, but you can't claim it is unbiblical with any intellectual honesty.

Do you read the Bible with blinders on?



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[amigo de christo]

lets do a quick compare of true evangelism verses a wacked out bad way of evangelism .
Paul . to those who rejected the testimony of JESUS . YOUR BLOOD be upon your own heads .
wacked out version , OH it dont matter if you dont believe , God believes in you .
Paul . to those who rejected the testimony of GOD , of CHRIST , since you count yourselves UNWORTHY OF EVERLASITING LIFE .
wacked out version . OH dont judge , dont force your religoin , hey guys we all serve GOD in different ways etc . you are fine just hug .
JESUS , HE who is not with me is against me and HE who is against me shall scatter .
wacked out version , OH it dont matter what one believes , God is love they are fine and all is well .
And worse it gets too .
NOW its to those who preach JESUS as the only way to be saved , they now say , HEY STOP FORCING your beleifs on others .
HEY stop juding , you dont know their hearts , there are good people in every religoin who do love GOD .
JESUS said , YOU DO NOT have the LOVE of GOD IN YOU for HE whom GOD did send HIM you believe not .
today they would call JESUS a judgmental hater who forces his religoin and dogma on people
and they would call the true men who did preach JESUS the same thing . BOY have we went dead wrong in these latter years .
hey i have an idea . why dont anyone here go show me this GOOD person in any religion , SHOW ME ONE who has not fallen far
of the glory of GOD and has not sinned .
MEANWHILE do allow me To POINT TO AND REMIND ALL about the ONLY ONE WHO NEVER DID FALL SHORT
and who did COME To save and that we MUST BELIEVE ON HIM to be saved . Lets see what we got told on judgment day
IS GOD gonna be so angry at those who absolutely refused to give out a false hope , who simply would not conform
and would not preach any other gospel . I TROW NOT . BUT beware HE IS gonna judge and damn all who loved a lie
and preached a false message of a dead end hope that had trod the dire need to BELEIVE ON CHRIST under foot . watch out .

 

[Lambano]

Yes, there is nowhere in scripture that says...we are Born Again by “ inviting God into our lives",

Sure it does. What the Evangelical world calls "inviting Jesus into our lives" is the same as "receiving" Jesus in John 1:12. The Greek word means in this context "to receive a person, give him access to one's self; to associate with one's self as companion, attendant. To welcome a person.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Well, I cried out to God, he then chose to birth my spirit into his...

So, I cried out to God before I became Born Again.......so, would one call that faith in God, before my spirit was Born Again?

Yes. Did you not welcome Jesus? Your own experience confirms this principle.

 

[GodsGrace]

@GodsGrace, some people believe ya just need to say Jesus and that is it.

Salvation was had to day, with a tally score of 8 people in a 12 hour day of standing on a pier asking people if they know Jesus and if they don’t just say this prayer.

No established relationship, no established really knowing of what he said and did, it’s all the run of the mill fast food gospel, get in and get out, enjoy your coffee and here’s some music and here is maybe a little bit of the Bible and a story of my ski trip in the Andies mountains. Want an answer here it is, and to heck with the context.

I hate all of it. Does it work? Has a heart changed? Only God knows but it truly starts with feeding the mind with who Jesus was, is, said, and did, and what happens because of what Jesus was, is, said and did after the facts, of faithfully believed information.

You can put the gospel down in about 120 words and that’s fine, but seeking and searching and looking for what is the truth of the matter is what I believe stands out to be the most important at least to me, @GodsGrace.

Not sure what you're replying to, I think it's my comment as to the preaching of the gospel and how it becomes unnecessary in the reformed faith.

I didn't mean the type of witnessing that happens on street corners - although there's nothing wrong with that.
I mean in church, when speaking to someone we know, if someone asks, etc.
It's telling someone about God and how God made it possible for them to become saved - IF they care to know.

I do agree with everything you've written.
A person could surely be saved by walking down that isle IF it is pure and there's some change in the life.
Many times it's just an emotional response of the moment and will not last long. As in the parable of the seeds in Luke 8.

And yes, after becoming Christian, at some point (it took me years) a person should become curious as to what they believe and seek out information IF it's available to them.

Also, I do know some that have never read a bible and are real Christians and have a better relationship with God than some bible "thumpers" I know.

I was 26 when I sought after Jesus cause I wasn’t to sure who he was. I first became a highly judgmental Christian looking down on everyone sometimes I still have my flesh rise like that especially when I’m really feeling badly or desire my life to be different in some way.

It’s all about living in faith and loving Yahavah and loving our neighbor, though sometimes we will be in a kink which we have to cut off communication with another and allow God to deal with them (kicking the dust off one’s feet.)

Cause we can’t save people.

Agreed.
(I was about 28)

 

[GodsGrace]

Which Italian bible are you using?

J.

I have a few.
My favorite and the one I used for the word DRAW is:
E Dio Disse....
La Bibbia
nuovissima versione dai testi originali (instead of from the latin)
Edizione San Paolo 1997

Most times all I need to do is refer to the Italian with no need to go to the Greek....
although that is helpful at times.
The languages are closer and the translation is closer to Greek.
I think only persons that know more than one language understand this,
I'm not sure a single language person understands how difficult it is to translate.

 

[GodsGrace]

I don't know who wrote this about Jacob Arminius, but it's not a true representation of what he believed. The Church was divided in the 1500's when the Reformers exposed the apostate Roman Catholic Church.

http://heavenslight.org/wp-content/...vinism_and_Arminianism_TULIP_Chart_1_2007.pdf

I forgot to list the source? Very unusual for me.

Jacobus Arminius - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Both Calvin and Arminius were Protestant so I don't know what the CC has to do with this...

My point was that Calvinists should look for a different person with whom to oppose Calvin since Arminius was HIMSELF A CALVINIST
WHO FOUND HIS WAY OUT OF THAT UNBIBLICAL FAITH SYSTEM, as he studied theology more and more.

That was my point.

 

[GodsGrace]

OKAY my friend .

No problem.

Question:
Are you and @Marvelloustime glued together??


(he seems to follow you around)

 

[GodsGrace]

Is Reformed faith unbiblical?

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Yes.