IS THE REFORMED FAITH BIBLICAL?

[Marvelloustime]

The intial stage of our salvation begins as we are drawn to FAITH in HE whom GOD did send .
I think a better way to word what you first wrote is
that the problem is many are coming to another jesus , another version of HIM
one that feeds the fleshly desires . And that one cannot save because it is NOT JESUS the CHRIST .
There is a difference between believing in JESUS the CHRIST and believing in another jesus .
A key is seen in this . Many also can say we beleive in JESUS the CHRIST but they sure dont seem to BELIEVE things HE said .
IF we believe in HIM its seen that we would have BELEIVED HIM . not the voice of another image of a contrary Jesus
but the voice of CHRIST JESUS that would have reminded us of what HE said and taught .
Many people are well educated in the doctrines of men
but have no idea that while some of those doctrines contain truths , they use said truths in an angle
to create disbelief in what JESUS said and belief in ERROR instead . So its super dire important we stay well read in that bible
for our learning and our being stirred up by remebering and learning WHAT HE actually SAID rather than what men say
He said as they twist it . Its a real good thing to stay stirred up by remembering THE WORDS of truth
Because many have long twisted things and though many are always learning they seem unable to come to the SIMPLE TRUTH .
I truly pray and wish all would return to reading just the bible for themselves .

 

[Ritajanice]

The intial stage of our salvation begins as we are drawn to FAITH in HE whom GOD did send .
I think a better way to word what you first wrote is
that the problem is many are coming to another jesus , another version of HIM
one that feeds the fleshly desires . And that one cannot save because it is NOT JESUS the CHRIST .
There is a difference between believing in JESUS the CHRIST and believing in another jesus .
A key is seen in this . Many also can say we beleive in JESUS the CHRIST but they sure dont seem to BELIEVE things HE said .
IF we believe in HIM its seen that we would have BELEIVED HIM . not the voice of another image of a contrary Jesus
but the voice of CHRIST JESUS that would have reminded us of what HE said and taught .
Many people are well educated in the doctrines of men
but have no idea that while some of those doctrines contain truths , they use said truths in an angle
to create disbelief in what JESUS said and belief in ERROR instead . So its super dire important we stay well read in that bible
for our learning and our being stirred up by remebering and learning WHAT HE actually SAID rather than what men say
He said as they twist it . Its a real good thing to stay stirred up by remembering THE WORDS of truth
Because many have long twisted things and though many are always learning they seem unable to come to the SIMPLE TRUTH .
I truly pray and wish all would return to reading just the bible for themselves .

◄ Ephesians 3 ►

Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ The Mystery of the Gospel 1For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles...a 2Surely you have heard about the stewardship of God’s grace that was given to me for you, 3that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. 4In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which was not made known to men in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are fellow heirs, fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus. 7I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace, given me through the working of His power. 8Though I am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,9and to illuminate for everyone the stewardshipb of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10His purpose was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11according to the eternal purpose that He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12In Him and through faith in Himc we may enter God’s presence with boldness and confidence. 13So I ask you not to be discouraged because of my sufferings for you, which are your glory. Paul’s Prayer for the Ephesians 14... for this reason I bow my knees before the Father,d 15from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16I ask that out of the riches of His glory He may strengthen you with power through His Spirit in your inner being, 17so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. Then you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18will have power, together with all the saints, to comprehend the length and width and height and depth 19of the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. 20Now to Him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to His power that is at work within us, 21to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

 

[amigo de christo]

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◄ Ephesians 3 ►

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ The Mystery of the Gospel 1For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles...a 2Surely you have heard about the stewardship of God’s grace that was given to me for you, 3that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. 4In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which was not made known to men in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are fellow heirs, fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus. 7I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace, given me through the working of His power. 8Though I am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,9and to illuminate for everyone the stewardshipb of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10His purpose was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11according to the eternal purpose that He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12In Him and through faith in Himc we may enter God’s presence with boldness and confidence. 13So I ask you not to be discouraged because of my sufferings for you, which are your glory. Paul’s Prayer for the Ephesians 14... for this reason I bow my knees before the Father,d 15from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16I ask that out of the riches of His glory He may strengthen you with power through His Spirit in your inner being, 17so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. Then you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18will have power, together with all the saints, to comprehend the length and width and height and depth 19of the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. 20Now to Him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to His power that is at work within us, 21to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

a big ol fat amen sister . notice what i first wrote , when we are DRAWN by Him to saving faith in JESUS the CHRIST .
WHO drew us . exactly sister . And notice what paul says about the HOLY SPIRIT seal .
The SPIRIT by whom you were SEALED AFTER you BELIEVED .

 

[Marvelloustime]

a big ol fat amen sister . notice what i first wrote , when we are DRAWN by Him to saving faith in JESUS the CHRIST .
WHO drew us . exactly sister . And notice what paul says about the HOLY SPIRIT seal .
The SPIRIT by whom you were SEALED AFTER you BELIEVED .

 

[amigo de christo]

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◄ Ephesians 3 ►

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ The Mystery of the Gospel 1For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles...a 2Surely you have heard about the stewardship of God’s grace that was given to me for you, 3that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. 4In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which was not made known to men in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are fellow heirs, fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus. 7I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace, given me through the working of His power. 8Though I am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,9and to illuminate for everyone the stewardshipb of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10His purpose was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11according to the eternal purpose that He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12In Him and through faith in Himc we may enter God’s presence with boldness and confidence. 13So I ask you not to be discouraged because of my sufferings for you, which are your glory. Paul’s Prayer for the Ephesians 14... for this reason I bow my knees before the Father,d 15from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16I ask that out of the riches of His glory He may strengthen you with power through His Spirit in your inner being, 17so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. Then you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18will have power, together with all the saints, to comprehend the length and width and height and depth 19of the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. 20Now to Him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to His power that is at work within us, 21to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

The more we learn the bible and continue to stay refreshed daily in that lovely book , the more we are stirred up as well .
Through prayer , through always the working of the SPIRIT which works in us that which is well pleasing To GOD .
As paul once wrote , the holy scrips are good for correction , reproof ,for doctrine , instruction IN righteousness
that the man of GOD may be thoroughly furnished unto ALL good works .

 

[amigo de christo]

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the gospel of what . OUR salvation . notice it says after you BELIEVED and not rather after you rejected .
Its high time this church age returns to the preaching of the one true gospel of our salvation . The one that says
YE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM .

 

[Ritajanice]

the gospel of what . OUR salvation . notice it says after you BELIEVED and not rather after you rejected .
Its high time this church age returns to the preaching of the one true gospel of our salvation . The one that says
YE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM .

The more we walk in faith, humble ourselves before the Lord...our Faith just keeps on growing, getting stronger in believing in Jesus and his word, he never lies my friend....it’s a wonderful journey,Brother, but, it’s not without those trials and tribulations, great joy, also great suffering/ heartache......

Doesn’t being humble also bring us closer to God?

If we truly believe in Jesus which can only come by divine revelation....then we will walk that walk of faith, because our faith comes from him...his Spirit witnesses that truth to our heart all day every day, we have that great reassurance from the Lord that he is with us always, working everything out according to his purpose and plan for our lives.

I see your Love for the Lord, I also see the Lord reaching out to others through you, sadly they aren’t in a place to receive that Love, only the Spirit Of God can open/ soften their hearts to receive His Love.

1 John 4:16 KJV​

16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

I also see your strength in the Lord...there is no pulling the wool over this sheep’s eyes...that came from the heart Brother...God Bless as you continue on your journey with the Lord.

 

[Christian Soldier]

@Christian Soldier ...what is the general call?

Do you understand that?..I don’t.


I understand the effectual call, where we were chosen and predestined to become children of God...the elect of God..chosen before the foundation of the world....

I think it’s amazing how the elect become Born Again, all planned by God before the foundation of the world....it’s just mind Blowing how he births our spirit into His, Of course we will never understand how he does it by the power of his mighty powerful Spirit, there is no power like it, plus faith, I remember the gift of Faith that I received...boy has it grown Brother, I can’t say it’s be an easy walk, walking in faith, it hasn’t been without ,great suffering, heartache, losing family and friends because of my faith / belief....without my God given faith, I know I wouldn’t be here today.

I Love to give God all the Glory as only he is worthy of Praise and worship...these word just flowed out Brother, hope you didn’t mind me sharing what was in my heart....as what’s been placed in our heart by the Lord must be spoken out.as in speaking by the Spirit....my belief.

Commentary,Short interesting read,

What is the difference between general and effectual calling?
By contrast, the effective calling of God that actually brings about a willing response from the person who hears it is sometimes called internal calling. The gospel call is general and external and often rejected, while the effective call is particular, internal, and always effective.

So for instance, Acts 2:21 says, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved” this goes along with the passage in Romans 10:5-15 where I just preached a few Sundays ago. God's call to sinners for salvation is expressed in two ways in the New Testament: General Calling & Effectual Calling.

General call, or "General Revelation is what God revealed to all mankind;

Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

The above verse confirms that unbelievers know that God commands everyone to obey the gospel. So they can't claim they rebelled in ignorance, and they can't say God is unjust for punishing them.

Rom 2:15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)

Sin is not simply what a person does but what a person is, ie: a person sins because they are a sinner, they are born that way.
The doctrine of original sin confirms that there are none who are born innocent into this world and all are justly under the wrath of a thrice holy God who loves justice so much He can not ever compromise it.
He instead killed His only Son, whom He loves to satisfy divine judgement in order to grant righteous mercy to those He has chosen before He created the world, which is the greatest news this world has and will ever know.

Those who freely choose their sin and die in it, will prove that they were never chosen or loved by God and justly condemned by way of their sin, which is frequently mentioned in the New Testament and not just the old.

John 3:36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

2 Th 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
2 Th 1:8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Th 1:9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

Effectual calling must be speaking about God calling individuals to repentance. Romans 8:29-30 Those whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

There are many scriptures which confirm that salvation is all of the Lord, from start to finish.

 

[Ritajanice]

General call, or "General Revelation is what God revealed to all mankind;

Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

The above verse confirms that unbelievers know that God commands everyone to obey the gospel. So they can't claim they rebelled in ignorance, and they can't say God is unjust for punishing them.

Rom 2:15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)

Sin is not simply what a person does but what a person is, ie: a person sins because they are a sinner, they are born that way.
The doctrine of original sin confirms that there are none who are born innocent into this world and all are justly under the wrath of a thrice holy God who loves justice so much He can not ever compromise it.
He instead killed His only Son, whom He loves to satisfy divine judgement in order to grant righteous mercy to those He has chosen before He created the world, which is the greatest news this world has and will ever know.

Those who freely choose their sin and die in it, will prove that they were never chosen or loved by God and justly condemned by way of their sin, which is frequently mentioned in the New Testament and not just the old.

John 3:36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

2 Th 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
2 Th 1:8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Th 1:9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

I will study this in more depth later, thank you for taking the time and patience to explain...from first glance of reading, it looks very interesting.

Effectual calling must be speaking about God calling individuals to repentance. Romans 8:29-30 Those whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

There are many scriptures which confirm that salvation is all of the Lord, from start to finish.

100% agree, Amen!

Praise God Brother, for his great mercy and grace....saving a wretch like me....

 

[GodsGrace]

Romans 5 describes what I view as original sin. Read and see if you see what I see.

12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the [e]offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many [f]offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s [g]offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore, as through [h]one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one[i] Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

You posted the above,
asked the other member if he sees what YOU see...
but you didn't STATE what you see.

Many do this.

WHAT do YOU see?

What is your understanding of original sin?

Original sin just means the first sin that man committed....
The sin that tainted man forever....
The cause was disobedience to God....
The effects were a few, not the least being our sinful nature.

Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—

The solution to the above problem is found in
Romans 5:18
18So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men...

Man is born spiritually dead...
Through the one act of righteousness by Christ, he can be justified before God since verse 18 states that justification has come to all men... All men were bought back from satan.

Justification requires a condition which God has set:
John 3:16
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

 

[Ritajanice]

Romans 5 describes what I view as original sin. Read and see if you see what I see.

12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the [e]offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many [f]offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s [g]offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore, as through [h]one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one[i] Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Yes,we inherited that spiritual sin from the first Adam, terrible to be alienated from the Spirit Of God.....

So, sin entered the world through that one man Adam....who went against the Living word of God.

Not only spiritual death, physical death also....

Spiritual death is separation from God which eliminates the possibility of living an eternity with God and Jesus in heaven

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◄ Romans 5:12 ►

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Verse (Click for Chapter) King James Bible Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Jesus was the second Adam who came into this world as God in the flesh to set us free from sin.

Absolutely , by the obedience and Love Of Jesus is our only hope Of ever being reconciled back to God...

Praise God that he sent his Son into the world who died a horrendous death...who died and was resurrected.....so that we can be reconciled back to our Spirit Father ,God almighty.

Faith becoming Born Again is a wonderful gift from God, who showed us his mercy and grace...he revealed His Son to our hearts/ spirit by divine revelation.....what a wonderful God we serve....forever growing stronger and stronger in the faith that he bestowed onto us.
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

Faith is an integral part of the gift His grace bestowed on us. Scripture consistently teaches that faith is not conjured up by the human will but is a sovereignly granted gift of God. Jesus said, “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him” (John 6:44).

in Jesus Name...Amen!

 

[Christian Soldier]

The intial stage of our salvation begins as we are drawn to FAITH in HE whom GOD did send .
I think a better way to word what you first wrote is
that the problem is many are coming to another jesus , another version of HIM
one that feeds the fleshly desires . And that one cannot save because it is NOT JESUS the CHRIST .
There is a difference between believing in JESUS the CHRIST and believing in another jesus .
A key is seen in this . Many also can say we beleive in JESUS the CHRIST but they sure dont seem to BELIEVE things HE said .
IF we believe in HIM its seen that we would have BELEIVED HIM . not the voice of another image of a contrary Jesus
but the voice of CHRIST JESUS that would have reminded us of what HE said and taught .
Many people are well educated in the doctrines of men
but have no idea that while some of those doctrines contain truths , they use said truths in an angle
to create disbelief in what JESUS said and belief in ERROR instead . So its super dire important we stay well read in that bible
for our learning and our being stirred up by remebering and learning WHAT HE actually SAID rather than what men say
He said as they twist it . Its a real good thing to stay stirred up by remembering THE WORDS of truth
Because many have long twisted things and though many are always learning they seem unable to come to the SIMPLE TRUTH .
I truly pray and wish all would return to reading just the bible for themselves .

I really don't know when God began to draw me to Himself, I can't remember one distinct moment or day. So it's a complete mystery to me, how or when He began to draw me to Himself.

I'm sure some believers have had a (road to Damascus) type of experience, where they experienced a radical change. But I think the majority of believes experience a gradual change in their life.

As you pointed out above, many profess to believe In Jesus but it's not the Lord Jesus Christ who revealed Himself in the bible. Most professing believers, have created an image of who Jesus is in their mind and then they seek out a preacher who preaches that kind of Jesus.

Demons also believe that Jesus is God, but their belief is not a saving faith, so they tremble, because they know that He is going to cast them into the lake of fire and His atonement will never be imputed to them so they are fully aware of the coming judgement. So Demons know the gospel message better than most professing Christians, who have created a false Jesus in their minds.

It's true that many spend their lives, ever learning but never coming to saving knowledge, which is in Christ. To know the truth of the gospel is to know Christ. He said "I am the truth", most professing Christians don't take this literally and they think the truth is a subjective thing, which is understood in different ways by different people. They don't realize that the truth is Christ Himself.

We should set aside time to read and study the Word of God and meditate on it, but we should also belong to a local assembly of believers, with a Pastor to preach the gospel faithfully. God instituted the Church, and He appointed some to preach for our mutual benefit, as iron sharpens iron.

 

[Scott Downey]

@Christian Soldier ...what is the general call?

Do you understand that?..I don’t.


I understand the effectual call, where we were chosen and predestined to become children of God...the elect of God..chosen before the foundation of the world....

I think it’s amazing how the elect become Born Again, all planned by God before the foundation of the world....it’s just mind Blowing how he births our spirit into His, Of course we will never understand how he does it by the power of his mighty powerful Spirit, there is no power like it, plus faith, I remember the gift of Faith that I received...boy has it grown Brother, I can’t say it’s be an easy walk, walking in faith, it hasn’t been without ,great suffering, heartache, losing family and friends because of my faith / belief....without my God given faith, I know I wouldn’t be here today.

I Love to give God all the Glory as only he is worthy of Praise and worship...these word just flowed out Brother, hope you didn’t mind me sharing what was in my heart....as what’s been placed in our heart by the Lord must be spoken out.as in speaking by the Spirit....my belief.

Commentary,Short interesting read,

What is the difference between general and effectual calling?
By contrast, the effective calling of God that actually brings about a willing response from the person who hears it is sometimes called internal calling. The gospel call is general and external and often rejected, while the effective call is particular, internal, and always effective.

So for instance, Acts 2:21 says, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved” this goes along with the passage in Romans 10:5-15 where I just preached a few Sundays ago. God's call to sinners for salvation is expressed in two ways in the New Testament: General Calling & Effectual Calling.

The general and effectual call is described here in Romans 10

14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:

“How beautiful are the feet of those who [b]preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed:

“Their sound has gone out to all the earth,
And their words to the ends of the world.”
19 But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says:

“I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation,
I will move you to anger by a foolish nation.”
20 But Isaiah is very bold and says:

“I was found by those who did not seek Me;
I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”
21 But to Israel he says:

“All day long I have stretched out My hands
To a disobedient and contrary people.”

 

[Ritajanice]

The general and effectual call is described here in Romans 10

14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:

“How beautiful are the feet of those who [b]preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed:

“Their sound has gone out to all the earth,
And their words to the ends of the world.”
19 But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says:

“I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation,
I will move you to anger by a foolish nation.”
20 But Isaiah is very bold and says:

“I was found by those who did not seek Me;
I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”
21 But to Israel he says:

“All day long I have stretched out My hands
To a disobedient and contrary people.”

Thanks for posting your understanding of said scripture......I don’t understand any of that scripture.as you describe it to be the general and effectual call.

 

[Scott Downey]

Romans 1:7
To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Not all have God called to be His saints.
If they were all called like that, then universal salvation for all people, as in all are saved.

Further proof is in 1 Corinthians 1

26 For [k]you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many [l]noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the [m]base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”

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18 For the [g]message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”

 

[Scott Downey]

Thanks for posting your understanding of said scripture......I don’t understand any of that scripture.as you describe it to be the general and effectual call.

The general call does not produce salvation, their sound, as in the gospel has gone out to all the earth, but not all obeyed the gospel.
Faith comes to by you by your being enabled to hear and believe by God the message of the gospel of Christ.

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed:

“Their sound has gone out to all the earth,
And their words to the ends of the world.”

Paul then compares the believers to the unsaved and says this is a bold and awesome truth.
20 But Isaiah is very bold and says:

“I was found by those who did not seek Me;
I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”

God saved you, you did not ask for Him, he loved you first, and revealed personally to your spirit the truth, therefore you love Him.
1 John 4:19
We love Him because He first loved us.

Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,

 

[Ritajanice]

The general call does not produce salvation, their sound, as in the gospel has gone out to all the earth, but not all obeyed the gospel.
Faith comes to by you by your being enabled to hear and believe by God the message of the gospel of Christ.

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed:

“Their sound has gone out to all the earth,
And their words to the ends of the world.”

Paul then compares the believers to the unsaved and says this is a bold and awesome truth.
20 But Isaiah is very bold and says:

“I was found by those who did not seek Me;
I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”

God saved you, you did not ask for Him, he loved you first, and revealed personally to your spirit the truth, therefore you love Him.
1 John 4:19
We love Him because He first loved us.

Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,

Again I don’t understand your own interpretation of that scripture...I don’t understand Born Again the effectual call plus general call....as you understand it.

The effectual call is by becoming Born Again.....

I don’t understand the general call....probably because I received the effectual call...when Spirit gives birth to spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

The general call does not produce salvation,

I’ve just been brought to understand this..Amen!

 

[Scott Downey]

Sure it does. What the Evangelical world calls "inviting Jesus into our lives" is the same as "receiving" Jesus in John 1:12. The Greek word means in this context "to receive a person, give him access to one's self; to associate with one's self as companion, attendant. To welcome a person.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


Yes. Did you not welcome Jesus? Your own experience confirms this principle.

Yes we do receive Him believing in our hearts as the final step of our being sealed by the Holy Spirit into our salvation.
But our salvation began before that with our first being born again by the Spirit of God. So, like it is inevitable, for those God calls in this way.
Jesus says about this not to marvel as the process is invisible like the wind and God's Spirit blows on whomever He wills.

Unless born again, you cannot believe, all of our personal salvation is granted to us by the Father to whom He chose.
Your very belief in Christ, God has granted to you, meaning you cannot believe unless the wind of the Spirit blows on you making you born again first. Maybe this is one of those hard to understand truths as it trips up many people.

Philippians 1
27 Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel, 28 and not in any way terrified by your adversaries, which is to them a proof of perdition, but [f]to you of salvation, and that from God.

29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake, 30 having the same conflict which you saw in me and now hear is in me.

John 6, goes into much details about these things
How did Peter come to believe and know? Because God did that. The Spirit gives life, the flesh (will of the mind of a man) is useless for knowing Christ as Christ is spiritually discerned as to whom He is.

60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a [m]hard saying; who can understand it?”

61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples [n]complained about this, He said to them, “Does this [o]offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

66 From that time many of His disciples went [p]back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”

68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the [q]Christ, the Son of the living God.”

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes we do receive Him believing in our hearts as the final step of our being sealed by the Holy Spirit into our salvation.
But our salvation began before that with our first being born again by the Spirit of God. So, like it is inevitable, for those God calls in this way.
Jesus says about this not to marvel as the process is invisible like the wind and God's Spirit blows on whomever He wills.

Unless born again, you cannot believe, all of our personal salvation is granted to us by the Father to whom He chose.

Starting to understand Brother!...Praise God....Amen!

God is opening up my mind to understand so much more of scripture...I’ve had to be patient mind, walking in faith and trusting him, that he will reveal his word to me ,all in his timing.