Is the first resurrection physical or spiritual?

[Spiritual Israelite]

Of course they are mentioned. They are the firstfruits (plural).

No, it does not say that. You are trying to make it say what you want it to say. Paul very specifically said that Jesus Himself is the firstfruits. The Greek word can also mean "firstfruit", so don't get confused by it being translated as "firstfruits".

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

This says Christ had become the firstfruits by way of His resurrection. The firstfruits of what? Them that slept. You are trying to make "them that slept" the firstfruits when Paul said it is Jesus Himself who is the firstfruits....of them that slept.

Christ was never made alive.

Say what? He most certainly was bodily resurrected from the dead which is what 1 Corinhtians 15:20-23 is about. What in the world are you saying? I shouldn't even ask because I know you have no idea of what you're talking about and you never do.

 

[Davidpt]

The OT came out of their graves in permanent incorruptible physical bodies.

I'm not entirely certain, but this indeed may be the case. We have to assume a lot of nonsense otherwise, and we have to speculate about some nonsense on top of that.

For example. The account says, their bodies, not their spirits or souls, is what came out of the graves. What bodies? They would all be in a decayed state at this point in time. Some of them skeletons, some of them having decayed into dust, depending on how long they have been dead. We are then to assume that when they came out of the graves bodily, they then went walking around in dust form, in skeleton form? No one could possibly think that, right?

Obviously, this means they were given a new body when it rose, a body with flesh, so to speak. A temporary body that can die again, though? Why do they need to die more than once? And then we have to ask ourselves, assuming we think they died again, how did they die? Did they all die the same way? Did they all die at the same time? Did some of them live longer than others? How long can one live in a new body that can die again? Why would a new body die again? So on and so on.

In my mind, the more I think about it, the more I have to wonder why any saint would receive a new body that can die again? If this was just something temporary, why not rise in a spirit form? At least if they are never heard of or seen again after that, it's not because they died again. Unlike some others around here, I'm willing to be objective about this at least. That there has to be logic to this, and that there appears to be nothing logical about rising in a new body that can die again.

I don't know what to make of it anymore? I have to think on this some more, apparently.

 

[Timtofly]

It says that it's the time for the dead to be judged at the sounding of the seventh trumpet. When are the dead judged? After the thousand years. So, don't tell us that it's not written that way.

Revelation 11:15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.” 16 And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying: “We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign. 18 The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small—and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”

Revelation 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Those dead are not physically dead. They are spiritually dead, and physically alive on the earth. The 7th Trumpet does not declare that everyone is physically dead, does it?

How can an earthly kingdom exist if all humans are physically dead? Are there only animals, plants, and trees to rule over? Who are angry in these nations, if all are physically dead, the animals, plants, and trees?

Those left of Adam's dead corruptible flesh are who are being referred to as "the dead". All other humans have been removed in the final harvest, and there are still the gleanings of humanity left to deal with. But they are physically alive, not in the grave with those physically dead.

Those in Revelation 20:11 are not physically alive. They had been dead for thousands of years, waiting in sheol. Did you not see that they were emptied out of sheol, death, and the sea?

 

[Timtofly]

No, it does not say that. You are trying to make it say what you want it to say. Paul very specifically said that Jesus Himself is the firstfruits. The Greek word can also mean "firstfruit", so don't get confused by it being translated as "firstfruits".

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

This says Christ had become the firstfruits by way of His resurrection. The firstfruits of what? Them that slept. You are trying to make "them that slept" the firstfruits when Paul said it is Jesus Himself who is the firstfruits....of them that slept.


Say what? He most certainly was bodily resurrected from the dead which is what 1 Corinhtians 15:20-23 is about. What in the world are you saying? I shouldn't even ask because I know you have no idea of what you're talking about and you never do.

I am not making those verse say anything. The firstfruits of any harvest in Scripture is referring to human souls, being redeemed. Matthew 13.

Since Paul was not describing a resurrection in particular, the resurrection of Jesus is you forcing thoughts into Scripture.

"If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."

Paul is saying we can be resurrected just like Jesus, and not in thousands of years. There is more than the hope of a blessed life on earth, as redeemed. There would be no one made alive nor resurrected without the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."

Being made alive is being physically alive in Paradise, since the thief on the Cross, went to Paradise that day, already made alive with all the other firstfruits.

The thief could not enter Paradise unless he was made alive as Paul described the process.

Your interpretation would mean, that David and thousands of other redeemed in and around Jerusalem, were walking around in bodies, and then the disciples had to bury them in thousands of graves "days later".

That would contradict Jesus saying:

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

How can you say those delivered out of Abraham's bosom would have to physically die again?

Jesus proved that those dead waiting in Abraham's bosom could be resurrected, and once resurrected, would never die.

 

[Zao is life]

I keep hearing the Amils say the first resurrection is spiritual, and that Jesus’ resurrection IS the first resurrection.

So here is the question, was Jesus’ resurrection spiritual or physical?

I’m going to let Paul answer this question for you, I will highlight the important parts that will give you the answer.

1 Corinthians 15:12-54​

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So was Jesus physically resurrected, or spiritually resurrected. And is Paul talking about a physical bodily resurrection for those who sleep in Christ, or a spiritual resurrection as Amils propose? You decide. Peace

What you say is what the Bible says, so it's true. The importance of adhering to the meaning of words in respect of what the New Testament applies them to cannot be overstated IMO, because it's not always what they say it is, but it's always what the Bible says it is.

The New Testament teaches us about the dead | dying human body being quickened (zōopoiéō), and the agent is the Spirit of God, who raised Christ from the dead:-

"If Christ's Spirit is in you,

(1) your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit (of Christ) is your (eternal) life [zoe] because of (Christ's) righteousness.

(2) Moreover, if the Spirit of the one who raised [egeiro] Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised [egeiro] Christ from the dead will also quicken [zōopoiéō] your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you." (Romans 8:10-11).

"Christ is risen [egeiro] from the dead, and become the first-fruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection [anastasis] of the dead --

-- for as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be quickened [zoopoieo: made alive]." (1 Corinthians 15:20-22).

Note:

(i) The word zoopoieo (quickening, being made alive) is being applied to the mortal body in the above verses.

(ii) The words egeiro, synegeiro and anastasis are always referring to the resurrection of the body in the New Testament.

"God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us,

Even when (eimí) we were (eimí) dead in sins,

(1) He has syzōopoiéō (quickened together with) Christ, (by grace ye are saved);

(2) and has raised us up together (synegeírō)

and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:4-6).

Strongs Greek Dictionary 01510 εἰμί eimí, i-mee'
the first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic):--am, have been, X it is I, was.

Note:

Ephesians 2:5 has been translated into English by Bible translators as "we were dead in sins", yet Colossians 3:3 and Romans 8:10 both tell us that we are dead in sins:

Colossians 3:3:
For ye are dead, and your life [zōḗ] is hid with Christ in God.

"If Christ's Spirit is in you,

(1) your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit (of Christ) is your (eternal) life [zoe] because of (Christ's) righteousness.

(2) Moreover, if the Spirit of the one who raised [egeiro] Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised [egeiro] Christ from the dead will also quicken [zōopoiéō] your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you." (Romans 8:10-11).

(The word synegeírō is referring to the resurrection of the body from the dead).

We have been "buried with him in baptism, wherein also you are all risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who has raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, has he quickened together with him (syzōopoiéō), having forgiven you all trespasses." -- Colossians 2:12-13.

Colossians 3:4:
When Christ, who is our life [zōḗ], shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Christ's body was quickened by the Spirit. His Spirit did not die, so not correctly understanding (or refusing to correctly understand) the meaning of the word synegeírō in Ephesians 2:6 causes failure to understand that this verse is referring to the resurrection of the body (not to a supposed "resurrection of the 'dead' human spirit").

"God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us, even us being dead (the body being dead) in sins,

(1) He has syzōopoiéō (quickened together with) Christ, (by grace ye are saved);

(2) and has raised us up together (synegeírō)

and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:4-6).

We are dead in sins (our bodies are dead in sins) but God has quickened our dead bodies together with Christ's quickening (syzōopoiéō) when He was quickened by the Spirit, and has raised us up bodily (synegeírō) together with Christ. Christ's body was quickened by the Spirit. His Spirit did not die,

therefore God has "made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus".

"If then you all be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sits on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For all of you are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

syzōopoiéō: Used in reference to the dead body being quickened, i.e made alive again together with: the quickening of Christ's dead body.

synegeírō: Refers to being bodily raised up together with (through): Christ's bodily resurrection.

The one who raised Christ from the dead will quicken your mortal bodies if His Spirit dwells in you.

In the New Testament being born of the Spirit of God is related to the human spirit, but the quickening by the same Spirit is always being applied to the human body.

The quickening of the body is what is also being spoken about in:-

|| John 5:21; John 6:63; Romans 4:17; 1 Corinthians 15 vs. 22, 36 & 45; II Corinthians 3:6; Galatians 3:21; I Timothy 6:13; I Peter 3:18. ||

The word zōopoiéō (quickening by the Spirit) is used in each verse.

It is the body of the one who is in Christ that is dead, not the soul, because when God breathed life into Adam he became a living soul. The same thing happens when someone is born of the Spirit of Christ.

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By his great mercy he gave us new birth (anagennáō) into a living (záō) hope THROUGH the resurrection (anástasis) of Jesus Christ from the dead".

The hope that Peter is talking about is the confident assurance of the resurrection of our dead bodies (at the time of the return of Christ) - even after we have died.

Ignoring what the word quicken [zōopoiéō] is being applied to each time it appears in the New Testament results in a theology that is false, because it changes the meaning and becomes the foundation of more erroneous theology and wrong doctrine that is built on top of it.

* There is no such thing as a spiritual resurrection (or the resurrection of the human spirit) mentioned anywhere in the New Testament.

* There is no such thing as the quickening of the human spirit (or of the 'dead' human spirit) mentioned anywhere in the New Testament.

REGENERATION

"The creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. And we know that the whole creation groans and travails in pain together until now.

And not only so, but ourselves also, who have the firstfruit of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, awaiting adoption, the redemption of our body.

For we are saved by hope. But hope that is seen is not hope; for what anyone sees, why does he also hope for it? But if we hope for that which we do not see, then we wait for it with patience." -- Romans 8:21-25

Matthew 19
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration [paliggenesia] when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration [paliggenesia], and renewing [anakainosis] of the Holy Ghost." -- Titus 3:5.

Strongs Greek 03824: paliggenesía
(spiritual) rebirth (the state or the act), i.e. (figuratively) spiritual renovation; specially, Messianic restoration:--regeneration.

In the New Testament,

BEING BORN ANEW OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD
PLACES AN INDIVIDUAL IN CHRIST

CAUSING THE INDIVIDUAL'S DEAD | DYING BODY
TO BE QUICKENED

WHICH WILL PRODUCE

THE RESURRECTION OF THE BODY FROM DEATH
(WITH CHRIST'S RESURRECTION), WHEN HE RETURNS,

AND THE REGENERATION OF ALL THINGS.

THIS IS EVERLASTING LIFE
AND THIS IS THE NEW TESTAMENT'S TEACHING

ALL THANKS TO CHRIST TAKING ON A HUMAN BODY,
AND TAKING OUR SIN UPON HIMSELF,
BEARING THE SIN IN HIS OWN BODY ON THE CROSS
AND DYING, AND RISING AGAIN FROM THE DEAD,
HAVING BEEN QUICKENED BY THE SPIRIT​

 

[Davy]

I didn’t say being given a new spiritual body is a false idea. What I have heard from the Amils is the the first resurrection has nothing to do with the resurrection of the dead natural body to a glorified spiritual body.

I'm not taking up for Amill's, just so you know. I'm Premill, which is actually how The Bible is written, with Jesus' 2nd coming prior... to His Millennial reign with His elect (Rev.19 & 20).

The idea that the resurrection is to a "spiritual body" is NOT a doctrine belonging solely to Amills. It is a Biblical doctrine, and many Christian denominations keep it like Apostle Paul taught it in 1 Corinthians 15.

So I don't know what you are going on about. You've only presented confusion of the Scriptures about all that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm not taking up for Amill's, just so you know. I'm Premill, which is actually how The Bible is written, with Jesus' 2nd coming prior... to His Millennial reign with His elect (Rev.19 & 20).

The idea that the resurrection is to a "spiritual body" is NOT a doctrine belonging solely to Amills. It is a Biblical doctrine, and many Christian denominations keep it like Apostle Paul taught it in 1 Corinthians 15.

So I don't know what you are going on about. You've only presented confusion of the Scriptures about all that.

Agree. Not sure why anyone would deny that.

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

How much more clear can this be that the body we have now is a natural body which is corruptible, dishonorable and weak. When the dead are resurrected and our bodies are changed then our bodies will be spiritual bodies which are incorruptible, glorious and powerful.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The idea that the resurrection is to a "spiritual body" is NOT a doctrine belonging solely to Amills. It is a Biblical doctrine, and many Christian denominations keep it like Apostle Paul taught it in 1 Corinthians 15.

So I don't know what you are going on about. You've only presented confusion of the Scriptures about all that.

I’m not speaking against being raised up a spiritual body as Paul said, my argument is against the Amil position of the first resurrection being the spiritual rebirth by the renewing of the heart/mind/spirit.

The Amil position on the first resurrection is not talking about the body but the heart/mind/spirit. They say we are spiritually resurrected, that is the point I was making in the OP.

 

[Davy]

I’m not speaking against being raised up a spiritual body as Paul said, my argument is against the Amil position of the first resurrection being the spiritual rebirth by the renewing of the heart/mind/spirit.

The Amil position on the first resurrection is not talking about the body but the heart/mind/spirit. They say we are spiritually resurrected, that is the point I was making in the OP.

You still show you are confused about what the "spiritual body" is. You already have it, inside... your flesh body. It is your spirit vehicle for that other dimension of the heavenly.

1 Cor 15:48-50
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 5 then expounded on that above concept about the "spiritual body"...

2 Cor 5:1-8
5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

Simply, if our flesh body ("earthly house") were dissolved, we still have a building from God, a house not made with hands (not flesh), eternal in the heavens (i.e., a heavenly order spirit body). That means we already... have that spirit body inside our flesh body. Solomon was teaching this concept in Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 for when our "silver cord" is severed, then our flesh goes back to the earthly elements of matter where it came from, but our spirit goes back to God Who gave it. Our spirit body includes our soul, our real person.

2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

Uh, just what... inside us groans? Our spirit inside our flesh, which is about our spirit body, what Paul called the "image of the heavenly", a body like the angels.

3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, Who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
KJV

I really don't get why so many Jews don't understand this matter.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

You still show you are confused about what the "spiritual body" is. You already have it, inside...

You are the one who is confused. When you are born again of the Holy Spirit your physical body is not changed, it is your heart/mind/spirit that is renewed.

 

[TribulationSigns]

When you are born again of the Holy Spirit your physical body is not changed, it is your heart/mind/spirit that is renewed.

Well, DUH! This is what the first resurrection is about! The spirit under the body of death have been renewed, regenerated, and made alive in Christ. Christ was not talking about change with our fleshy bodies the moment when we were born again. The first resurrection is NOT a body resurrection since our sinful bodies still go into the grave the moment it physically die but our renewed souls (which already took part of the first resurrection) simply transfer into heaven.

While the rest of the dead are the ones who have NOT yet born again or regenerated in Christ. They will remain in the grave when they physically die. They simply did not take part in the first resurrection but reserved for the second resurrection to stand for judgment at the second coming.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The first resurrection is NOT a body resurrection

But yet Jesus’ body was resurrected, which you claim is the first resurrection.

You Amils are trying redefine the meaning of the first resurrection that is defined in Rev. 20:4-6 as a bodily resurrection of the martyred saints.

 

[TribulationSigns]

But yet Jesus’ body was resurrected, which you claim is the first resurrection.

You Amils are trying redefine the meaning of the first resurrection that is defined in Rev. 20:4-6 as a bodily resurrection of the martyred saints.

You don't get it.

You may ask me when I was in the grave and when I was resurrected. It is when Christ was in the grave and when He was resurrected! As Christians, we died WITH HIM, were buried WITH HIM, and were raised up WITH HIM free from our sins! Selah! This is the corerstone of Christianity. Surely you are not denying this again?

Romans 6:8-11

• "Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
• Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
• For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
• Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."

We died with him, we were raised up with him. Make sense? Only to those who hold the Holy Scriptures as authoritative.

And you may asked, when did I receive a new "living body"?

I'm still in this body of flesh, and like all believers, I will receive my spiritual body when I exit this robe of flesh. As our brother Paul detailed, then I shall be absent from the body I will be present with the Lord. There is no actual death, so no need for another resurrection from the dead after that "First Resurrection."

Galatians 2:20

• "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

You need to understand that the Spirit of God dwell WITHIN US! We are born again, and MADE ALIVE in Christ. We have been resurrected from the spiritual death...inside our bodies! Once our robe of flesh physically dies, our spirit simply TRANSFER into heaven without "another resurrection" or the need to resurrect from the fleshy body.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You don't get it.

You may ask me when I was in the grave and when I was resurrected. It is when Christ was in the grave and when He was resurrected! As Christians, we died WITH HIM, were buried WITH HIM, and were raised up WITH HIM free from our sins! Selah! This is the corerstone of Christianity. Surely you are not denying this again?

Romans 6:8-11

• "Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
• Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
• For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
• Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."

We died with him, we were raised up with him. Make sense? Only to those who hold the Holy Scriptures as authoritative.

And you may asked, when did I receive a new "living body"?

I'm still in this body of flesh, and like all believers, I will receive my spiritual body when I exit this robe of flesh. As our brother Paul detailed, then I shall be absent from the body I will be present with the Lord. There is no actual death, so no need for another resurrection from the dead after that "First Resurrection."

Galatians 2:20

• "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

You need to understand that the Spirit of God dwell WITHIN US! We are born again, and MADE ALIVE in Christ. We have been resurrected from the spiritual death...inside our bodies! Once our robe of flesh physically dies, our spirit simply TRANSFER into heaven without "another resurrection" or the need to resurrect from the fleshy body.

Again, all of that is true. But the question is, Does Revelation 20:4-5 make that point or does it make another point?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

You don't get it.

I get it, you Amils have been taught by men (not by Christ) that being born again of the Holy Spirit IS the first bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ as is shown and clearly defined in Rev. 20:4-6.

If you were Truly born again of the Holy Spirit and taught by Christ then you would not be getting led astray by the false doctrines of men.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, it is not the false prophet spirit.

 

[ewq1938]

Again, all of that is true. But the question is, Does Revelation 20:4-5 make that point or does it make another point?

Another point.

Christ is not the "first resurrection" found in Revelation 20 but he is why it happens.

Rev 20 speaks of two groups of the dead that resurrect/live again.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of this first group of the dead because they resurrect first. The rest have to wait for their resurrection:

"the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5)

This is the last resurrection of those who are dead. One group resurrected and "the rest" or the remaining ones did not resurrect when the others did.

This proves they partake of the second resurrection also known as the last resurrection because no one is still physically dead after they "live again". This proves without a doubt that there are two separate days of resurrections separated by a thousand years.

The first group resurrects before the thousand years begins and the second/last group resurrects after the end of the thousand years.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I get it, you Amils have been taught by men (not by Christ) that being born again of the Holy Spirit IS the first bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ as is shown and clearly defined in Rev. 20:4-6.

Huh? You are saying that we, amills have been taught by men that "being born again of the Holy Spirit is the first "bodily" resurrection of the dead" as is shown in Revelation 20:4-6? I think you are babbling and confused because that was not what "I" teach.

If you were Truly born again of the Holy Spirit and taught by Christ then you would not be getting led astray by the false doctrines of men.

I have been teaching the false doctrine of premillennialism for a long time. I am confident that I possess the truth, thanks to the Holy Spirit. I can see that you are still struggling to understand what we are sharing with you. So, it is you who have been misled by the false teachings of men - especially when dealing with carnal minds. I have experienced this myself in the past as I understood how hard it is to unlearn what we have learned. :-)

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, it is not the false prophet spirit.

Of course, if you allow him to teach you as long as you handle the Scripture honestly and in spirit and truth. :-)

 

[CadyandZoe]

Another point.

Christ is not the "first resurrection" found in Revelation 20 but he is why it happens.

Rev 20 speaks of two groups of the dead that resurrect/live again.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of this first group of the dead because they resurrect first. The rest have to wait for their resurrection:

"the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5)

This is the last resurrection of those who are dead. One group resurrected and "the rest" or the remaining ones did not resurrect when the others did.

This proves they partake of the second resurrection also known as the last resurrection because no one is still physically dead after they "live again". This proves without a doubt that there are two separate days of resurrections separated by a thousand years.

The first group resurrects before the thousand years begins and the second/last group resurrects after the end of the thousand years.

Well said.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Huh? You are saying that we, amills have been taught by men

Yes

that "being born again of the Holy Spirit is the first "bodily" resurrection of the dead" as is shown in Revelation 20:4-6?

That is exactly what you are confused about.

I think you are babbling and confused because that was not what "I" teach.

The babbling is coming from Amils who say the first resurrection is past already.

2 Timothy 2:16-18

King James Version

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16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

 

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Re: Is the first resurrection physical or spiritual?

Folks unified with Christ are on track to be given a body like his.

● Phil 3:20-21 . .The Lord Jesus Christ who, by the power that enables him
to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that
they will be like his glorious body.

Jesus' glorious body is capable of dining upon ordinary foods and beverages.

● Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now
on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

● Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you
before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in
the kingdom of God.

● Luke 22:28-30 . .You are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials;
and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant
with me, for a kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in my
kingdom

Jesus' glorious body is capable of being seen by the naked eye.

● Acts 1:11 . . Men of Galilee-- they said --why do you stand here looking
into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven,
will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.

● Look! he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him.

Well then, if all the above is true of Jesus' glorious body, then the above
must also be true of the bodies that folks unified with him will be given
per Phil 3:20-21.
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