Is the first resurrection physical or spiritual?

[Biblepaige]

Are you saying because it's "the song of King David" it's not the Word of God?

Do you know what the book of Psalms is in the word of God?

You missed the whole point. A soul must be kept alive else it DIES.

The soul is of God. God does not die.

No the soul is not returned to God; the soul is in the state of death which is in Hebrew "sheol" and in Greek "hades."

The dead soul, not the physical body, comes forth from this state of death unto judgment.

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
And shall come forth (are they resurrected? No, but they're going to be); they that have done good, unto the resurrection (that's Christ) of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection (that's Christ) of damnation. (Joh 5:28-29)

In the absolute sense yes, because everything is from God.
But, God does not breathe a soul into you. He breathes his life giving spirit into your body and THEN you become a living soul. Not an immortal soul but a living soul that will die.

Gen 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, (that's the lifeless body) and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life (God's life giving spirit - not soul); and man became a living soul (there is the soul).

The spirit and the soul are not synonymous.


Your soul must and will be destroyed, else you cannot be saved.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.

Job 33:4 The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Well that is strange. it begins with seeing thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgement was given unto them…then “I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God”

This is describing the first judgement and the first resurrection, which is to the dead in Christ. The fact that they are shown as beheaded indicates that they were killed physically. Remember what Jesus said, not to fear those who can only kill the body but not the soul. So their physical bodies were killed for their Testimony, but their souls were seen in heaven. Man is body, soul, and spirit. So what part of the dead in Christ was dead/killed that was now going to be resurrected at the first resurrection? It is the body that is going to be resurrected because the souls and spirits of the saints are already in heaven. The physical body is sown a natural body, but it is raised a spiritual body.

They reigned with Christ a thousand years.
How do you see the souls of those beheaded?

They were physically killed by men because of their Testimony.

Do you think there is any connection to Revelation 6:9-11 ? And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: [10]

Absolutely, notice they were physically killed by men because of their witness. Again this proves that it is the physical body that is killed.

So …they are told to rest a little season “until” their fellow servants also and their brothers, that they should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Yes, so this speaking of the dead in Christ who are prophesied to rise first.

Which is it? The dead lives not again until the thousand years were finished.

That is the rest of the dead who are not of the first resurrection. The first resurrection is to the dead in Christ, they shall never die again.

Yet they reign with Him a thousand years.

That is after the first resurrection.

Are they resting for a little season.

That is before the first resurrection.

Are they waiting for their brothers to be killed for the word and the testimony they hold.

That is before the first resurrection.

Or reigning a thousand years?

That is after the first resurrection.

Do you have an easy explanation for how he saw the souls of those who were beheaded?

The soul is the inward identity, the physical body is the outward identity, and the spirit speaks to the nature heart/mind.

The physical body returns to the dust, but the souls/spirits of the saints ascend into heaven. Like Paul said to be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord.

They are shown as beheaded because these saints were killed by men because of their Testimony. But again remember what Jesus said…
Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

So it was the physical body of the saints that was killed, that is what is going to be resurrected and changed at the last trump at the last day.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Yes, that is what Premillennialists continue to argue for! The problem is they cannot give a biblical reply to HOW these martyred saints can be resurrected to immortal life BEFORE the seventh trumpet sounds???

Why would I care about that?

NONE shall be resurrected, according to the Scripture, before the seventh trumpet sounds!

But some are resurrected 1,000 years after others.

If they are resurrected bodily they MUST die again, because NO ONE shall have immortal life before the change that shall come when the last trumpet sounds, and TIME shall be no longer!

The passage does not claim, as some suppose, the cessation of time. It refers to the cessation of the delay.

 

[Lizbeth]

So again no physical resurrection from another Amil.

The first resurrection that we "have a part in" I believe was the resurrection of Jesus and the OT saints who were resurrected when He was and "without us will not be made perfect." I read it that we'll be raised incorruptible...meaning that when we are resurrected it will be with a spiritual/glorified body. Like the angels who can appear in bodily form and even eat food, or be invisible. As Jesus said in the resurrection we "shall be like the angels". Like as He was raised incorruptible.......He was raised bodily, but in an incorruptible body not limited by physical limitations which is why He could appear/disappear at will.

 

[rwb]

Time no longer for this world/age.

Luke 20:34-36​

King James Version​

34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Yes, time given whereby mankind must be saved has an expiration date and is not eternal. After this age of time the world shall be made new again and then it shall be never ending.

There is only ONE resurrection to immortality in this age of time. And that ONE resurrection, the "first resurrection" is the bodily resurrection of Christ ALONE. We have part in Christ's resurrection life when we are born again of His Spirit. There is not, nor shall there be in this age of time a period of one thousand years coming when martyred souls will be bodily resurrected to live again on this earth. That cannot be since this earth and everything in it is destined to utter destruction by fire.

When Christ says in "that world" He is not speaking of what shall be physically on this earth. When we are clothed in bodies of flesh for this earth we marry and procreate, but that is NOT what He means when He speaks of "that world" to come. Because that world to come is not physical. It is spiritual, and not of this world where man is given in marriage being made of flesh & bone. In that world to come mankind of faith SPIRITUALLY, not physically, become married to Christ. As the Bible tells us, we become the "bride of Christ" spiritually. Through His Spirit in us our natural spirit is made alive when we are born again. This is how we are spiritually married to Christ in this age, and why SPIRITUALLY we "neither marry, nor are given in marriage." Nor "can they die any more", because when we are spiritually the bride of Christ, we have overcome the second death, having partaken of Christ's resurrection life because He is the FIRST and only RESURRECTION of the dead that shall die NO MORE.

Mankind obtains that world to come through the "first resurrection" that is Christ' bodily resurrection from the dead. Spiritually speaking we are no longer of this world when we have part in Christ's resurrection life. Spiritually we belong to "that world" that is now of heaven. Our spirit now alive from being spiritually dead are "the children of the resurrection". Because "NOW the dead are raised". Not resurrected but raised from spiritual death to spiritual life through the resurrection of Christ who is the "first resurrection." By Christ' resurrection from the dead, now even Moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are not dead, but spiritually alive with Christ. Because God "is not a God of the dead, but of the living." And all who have been made spiritually alive by the Spirit of Christ in us spiritually belong to all who live unto Him.

Luke 20:34-38 (KJV) And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

When Scripture speaks of man being made alive in Christ it is not called a resurrection from the dead. It is written that we who were spiritually dead in trespasses and sins have been made alive (quickened, not resurrected) together with Christ, being raised up to the heavenly realm in Christ Jesus. By partaking of Christ's death and resurrection life "through the faith of the operation of God", we too have been raised from the dead. Christ has taken us from all principalities and powers that once held us in bondage to fear of death by resurrecting from the dead. "He made a show of them openly, triumphing over them (principalities and powers) in it".

Ephesians 2:1 (KJV) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 2:5-7 (KJV) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Colossians 2:12-15 (KJV) Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

 

[rwb]

But some are resurrected 1,000 years after others.

No there will not be more than one resurrection of ALL the dead. There will be only ONE physical resurrection for ALL who have physically died. And that will be in the hour coming, when the last trumpet sounds, and time shall be no longer.

The passage does not claim, as some suppose, the cessation of time. It refers to the cessation of the delay.

What's the difference? No more time, no more delay, both equate to the same thing!

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

There is not, nor shall there be in this age of time a period of one thousand years coming when martyred souls will be bodily resurrected to live again on this earth.

So you do not believe in a future bodily resurrection for the dead in Christ. Here is what Paul had to say to that….

2 Timothy 2:15-18

King James Version

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15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

 

[rwb]

So you do not believe in a future bodily resurrection for the dead in Christ. Here is what Paul had to say to that….

2 Timothy 2:15-18​

King James Version​

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

There will be no resurrection of the physically dead made immortal & incorruptible in this age of time! Only those who have not spiritual understanding of the Kingdom of God believe there shall be.

It seems some in Paul's time believed there would be no bodily resurrection at all. But while they were trying to deceive the new converts to Christ, suggesting there would be NO resurrection, Paul was not speaking of them being bodily resurrected, he was in fact telling them of the "first resurrection" that was of Christ, who had indeed been resurrected from the dead. Of which these deceivers were denying. And because Christ has been resurrected from the dead, we too "if we be dead with Him, we shall also live with Him". In this age of time faithful saints, spiritually speaking are both dead and buried (spiritually) with Christ, and raised to new life according to Christ's Gospel, by the power of His Spirit in us.

2 Timothy 2:8 (KJV) Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

2 Timothy 2:11-13 (KJV) It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

2 Timothy 2:23-26 (KJV) But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

1 Corinthians 3:18 (KJV) Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

 

[CadyandZoe]

No there will not be more than one resurrection of ALL the dead.

Revelation 20 describes two physical resurrections. The first takes place at the beginning of the Millennial period. After the thousand years, "the rest of the dead" are raised to face the White throne judgment.

There will be only ONE physical resurrection for ALL who have physically died. And that will be in the hour coming, when the last trumpet sounds, and time shall be no longer.

It isn't discussing the cessation of time. It is discussing the cessation of our wait.

What's the difference? No more time, no more delay, both equate to the same thing!

Some believe that time ceases to exist in eternity, and the passage indicates the beginning of eternity. I don't think the passage indicates a transition from this age to the eternal age.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

There will be no resurrection of the physically dead made immortal & incorruptible in this age of time!

John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[grafted branch]

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruitS; afterward.

Christ the firstfruitS - Old Testament body of Christ aka the Tabernacle of David aka the Dead in Christ.
They that are Christ's at his coming - New Testament body of Christ aka those that are alive and remain.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God - The resurrection of Christ aka the second coming.

In Matthew 27:52-53 we have a resurrection just after the cross which would be Old Testament people.

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

David wasn’t part of the Matthew 27:52-53 resurrection. Do you think the first fruits include David? If so do you see a resurrection in 70AD that would’ve included him?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The physical body is sown a natural body, but it is raised a spiritual body.

The physical body returns to the dust, but the souls/spirits of the saints ascend into heaven. Like Paul said to be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord.

My husband and I were talking about this the other day. It’s still on topic I think.
Genesis 3:17-19 NASB
Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’; Cursed is the ground because of you; With hard labor you shall eat from it All the days of your life. [18] “Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; Yet you shall eat the plants of the field; [19] By the sweat of your face You shall eat bread, Until you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return.”

My husband and I were talking about how immediately that sounds like “cursed is the ground because of you” but In the parable of the types of ground/souls: He refers to the heart as the ground. The parable even gives what the types of ground(hearts) produces. Either having not root, shallow. Stony. Chocked out by on the thorns. …yet there is One ground which bears Fruit. All referring to the Heart. I think…the New Heart God gives removing the stone away.

My husband was meditating on “until you return to the ground”
He kept focusing on the “until” …saying “until” all produced of the ground are thorns and thistle. and then what? What comes after “until you return to the ground”
John 12:24 may help with “until you return to the ground”
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abides alone: but if it die, it brings forth much fruit.
“But if it die” The Fruit it brings forth is not cursed …bringing forth only thorns and thistle.
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. (Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abides alone:…) if it dies though it brings forth much fruit.
That is good news yes?
Now here is my question. In the parable of the types of soil/ground/heart…there is one ground which is good that is planted and it bears fruit. Personally I don’t think it’s the ground a casket is lowered down into while family mourns. I personally don’t think that is the ground it (if it dies) and is sown into that yields up Life Anew out of that ground a casket goes into. But that seems to be the focus lots of times …that ground the casket is put into as the types of soil when that is not the way the parable Jesus gave unto us speaks of the soil and ground …one must die and return to. Abiding not alone; Bearing much Fruit.

What comes after …all you will bear are thorns and thistle, the ground cursed …until it dies, except it falls into the ground and dies, it abides alone …as Faith without works abides alone, being dead. yet if “it dies it brings forth much fruit.”

Personally I think we need to stop telling people it’s the ground the casket goes into ..when it’s the heart that are the types of soils that are sown into. What of the you many chance (hope) bearing wheat…? You don’t plant a casket in the ground to bear wheat. Its hearts sown with the Word of God where God gives the increase.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That is what I said in the OP, so you believe Rev. 20:4-6 is past. Thanks for the honesty

People having part in the first resurrection is an ongoing thing that occurs daily during the New Testament era when people go from being dead in sins to spiritually alive in Christ and identifying with His resurrection, the first resurrection, in that way. Thanks for nothing for your dishonesty in misrepresenting my view.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You just don’t like to hear what you sound like.

I don't like my view being misrepresented, liar.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Anyone who knows how to properly study scripture would know the first resurrection in Rev 20 is not the spiritual resurrection found in John's Gospel. It is about those that experienced the spiritual "resurrection" in their human lives, then they were beheaded during the tribulation for not taking the mark. In Rev 20 those formerly dead people become alive and live and reign with Christ on Earth over the nations using a rod of iron. That proves the resurrection they experience after having died is not the "spiritual resurrection" because that can only be experienced while alive when you are born again and receive the holy spirit. That they had died before being resurrected proves Amill to be wrong. It is their bodily resurrection Paul wrote about when he said the dead in Christ shall rise first. Rise=resurrection and first means first ie: first resurrection of the dead after Christ returns.

They spiritually experienced having part in the first resurrection before dying, which is why their souls end up in heaven instead of hell. You have no idea of what you're talking about and are completely incapable of supporting your false premil doctrine with scripture, as you've shown repeatedly.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The first resurrection is Jesus. We have part in that in salvation. The future physical resurrection is obviously not the "first" resurrection. Scripture proves that. Any resurrection after Christ's is obviously not the first. What is more, the believer enjoys a spiritual resurrection at salvation that is before physical resurrection. What er way you look at it you're argument falls apart.

Exactly. You can show these premils explicit scripture that says Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection, such as Acts 26:23 and 1 Corinthians 15:20-23, as well as scripture that talks about believers spiritually having part in His resurrection, and they just completely ignore all of that because of their carnal way of thinking. They don't believe in interpreting scripture with scripture like amils do.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Being born again is not a bodily resurrection.

No kidding. You're such a genius. How did you figure this out?

Jesus was the firstfruits of them that slept (dead physically)

1 Corinthians 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, (first resurrection) and some to shame and everlasting contempt.(second resurrection)

Jesus being the firstfruits of them that slept means He was the first to be bodily resurrected unto bodily immortality. Anyone resurrected unto bodily immortality after that, which will be those who are Christ's at His coming, are part of the next resurrection in the order Paul gave. Christ's resurrection itself was the first resurrection, as Paul said in Acts 26:23 and as it says in 1 Cor 15:20,23. So, what you think is the first resurrection is actually the second resurrection in order, according to Paul. But, you don't care about that because you will twist whatever scripture you need to in order to make it fit with your false interpretation of Revelation 20.

 

[rwb]

Revelation 20 describes two physical resurrections

No it doesn't!

It isn't discussing the cessation of time. It is discussing the cessation of our wait.

Yes, we wait in this age of time until the seventh trumpet sounds that we don't have to wait any longer!

Some believe that time ceases to exist in eternity, and the passage indicates the beginning of eternity. I don't think the passage indicates a transition from this age to the eternal age.

No to be rude, but I really don't care what your opinion might be!

 

[CadyandZoe]

No it doesn't!

They are hard to miss. :) There are some dead, and there are the rest of the dead. Two groups. :)

Yes, we wait in this age of time until the seventh trumpet sounds that we don't have to wait any longer!

Right.

No to be rude, but I really don't care what your opinion might be!

Okay.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

My husband and I were talking about this the other day. It’s still on topic I think.

I wrote a study years ago on “the curse from dust to ashes.” Since you like types and shadows you might enjoy it. It’s a bit long, and I don’t think I can post the whole thing at once, so maybe I’ll drop in down in a couple of posts.

In Jeremiah 17:5 we read “Thus saith the Lord;"Cursed" be the man that "trusteth in man", and maketh "flesh" his strength, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.” In scripture we are shown "a curse" several times, and also in many different ways. I would like to explore "this curse "that was issued from the beginning, and would run even unto the time of the end; when there shall be "no more curse." This study is a little long, and is a bit deep spiritually, but some may find it interesting as I did when putting it together.

I want to begin this study at the beginning with "man". Genesis 2:7 “And the Lord God formed man of the "dust" of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” What I want you to notice here is the word “dust” strongs # H6083 The KJV translates Strongs H6083 in the following manner: dust (93x), earth (7x), powder (3x), rubbish (2x), ashes (2x), morter (2x), ground (1x).

Make note of those words above because we will be making some connections later on with some of those words, as we go along. Also by scripture we know in Genesis 2:19 “And out of "the ground" the Lord God formed "every beast" of the field, and every fowl of the air;…” So by scripture we know man and beast were formed out of "the ground".

Now onto "the curse"…Genesis 3:14-15 “And the Lord God said unto "the serpent", Because thou hast done this, thou art "cursed" above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and "dust" shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:15 And I will put "enmity" between thee and the woman, and between "thy seed" and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”

First notice "the curse", and then notice what the serpent was to eat (dust) which is what "man"was also formed of (dust of the ground). Also note the “enmity” between the 2 seeds, which is the "enmity" between the mind of "flesh" and of the Spirit of God. Man also is "flesh" as shown in Genesis 6:3 “And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always "strive" with man, for that he also is"flesh": yet his days shall be an "hundred and twenty years.”( hundred twenty= 666 in Hebrew)

And man who is "of "his father the devil desires "the lusts"of the "flesh" (flesh and blood is formed from "the dust") Serpents "seed" desires the same John 8:44 “Ye are of your father the devil, and the "lusts" of your father ye will do.”

So now let’s see another sign of this curse, but shown with man (Adam) in Genesis 3:17 “And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: "cursed is the ground" for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou "eat of it "all the days of thy life;” And again remember man was formed from "the dust of the ground".

Now onto another "similitude" of the curse shown in the Exodus story. While Moses was in the mount the children of Israel "corrupted themselves" when they took the gold from their ears and made a molten calf.

And notice what Moses does with the golden calf in Deuteronomy 9:21 “And I took your "sin", the calf which ye had made, and burnt it with fire, and stamped it, and ground it very small, even until it was as small as "dust": and I cast the "dust" thereof into the brook that descended out of the mount.” (notice dust added to water)

The word "dust" there is the same word as we saw above in man being formed from "the dust" of the ground (dust H6083).

And now here is what God said to Moses later concerning the “cursed thing” in Deuteronomy 7:25-26 “The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not "desire" the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therin: for it is an abominationto the Lord thy God. 26 Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a"cursed thing" like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a"cursed thing.” So "coveting" the cursed thing could also make you a "cursed thing". Yikes!

Ok, now another "sign" of the cursed thing making one "accursed" in Joshua 6:18 “And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from "the accursed thing", "lest ye make yourselves accursed", when ye take of "the accursed thing", and make the camp of Israel "a curse", and trouble it.”

And then again we see a similitude of the accursed thing in Joshua 7:21 “ When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment,and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then "I coveted them", and took them; and, behold, they are hid in "the earth" in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it.”

And again we see "the judgement" in Joshua 7:24-25 “And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them unto the valley of Achor.25 And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the Lord shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, "and burned them with fire", after they had stoned them with stones.”

So again like with Moses we see "the judgment by fire", and what is left after a fire? That’s right, "ashes"; and that is one of the key words we saw above in the word "dust." Kinda like ashes to ashes and dust to dust huh? Alright we’re picking up some good key words here in the cursed thing like “ABOMINATION” and “Babylonish”…ya’ll know where I’m going with this don’t cha? But not yet!

First let’s look at another sign in the "ashes"shown in the burning of the "red" heifer for purification of "sin" in Numbers 19:17 “And for an unclean person they shall take of "the ashes" of the burnt heifer of purification "for sin", and running water shall be put thereto in a vessel:”
Notice the adding of water to the ashes there, as did with Moses, and "the ashes" of the molten calf mixed in with "the waters that descended from the mount."

This sign is also shown again in the "bitter"waters that brings forth "the curse", in the law, when a wife was thought to have slept with another man and played the “Harlot” (clue…wink, wink). And so a test was given by the Priest when there were no witnesses to the act of "fornication".

This test was given by making her to drink the "bitter waters". Also notice what was added to the "holy waters" in Numbers 5:17 “And the priest shall take "holy water" in an earthen vessel; and of "the dust" (key word) that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it "into" the water:” (again dust +water)
And so there’s the sign again of "the curse" in eating the “dust”. (man = flesh and blood formed from the dust of the ground). By the way Adam also means “earthy, red.”

So let’s move on to another "similitude of the curse" in the vessels of Baal in 2 Kings chapter 23. We see the same sign of judgment in verse 4 “ and he "burned them" without Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried "the ashes" of them unto Bethel.” The idolatrous priests were put down along with the house of the Sodomites…. and again in verse 6 notice the "judgment" “ And he brought out the grove from the house of the Lord, without Jerusalem, unto the brook Kidron, and "burned it" at the brook Kidron, and stamped it small to "powder", and cast the "powder" thereof upon the graves of the children of the people.”

And there’s the connection in the words again“powder” H6083 as shown in the beginning of the study in “dust” H6083.



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